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- by Hank
Loved every minute of it!
I totally called that Hunter would hire Molotov, and that 'precogs' are in the episode. Who knows how long O.S.I. will remain the highest payer. The investors seem very loyal to the Guild, killing Monstroso to protect them. Learning Bowie isn't the Sovereign is cool. Hank's muscles atrophying was GREAT.
I have GOT to watch this one again immediately (on my DVR)!!!!
I totally called that Hunter would hire Molotov, and that 'precogs' are in the episode. Who knows how long O.S.I. will remain the highest payer. The investors seem very loyal to the Guild, killing Monstroso to protect them. Learning Bowie isn't the Sovereign is cool. Hank's muscles atrophying was GREAT.
I have GOT to watch this one again immediately (on my DVR)!!!!
Yeah. They seem to make deals. Trades. And they come to collect. Monstroso received the heart from King Gorilla--who traded freedom for it. Monstroso never really indicated what he paid for his heart--perhaps he still "owed."
Perhaps Doc and Jackson do not know what to do with them yet!
Nice explanation of the "You killed my father!" "After you killed my partner" story. Still waiting on the eye. . . .
Perhaps Doc and Jackson do not know what to do with them yet!
Nice explanation of the "You killed my father!" "After you killed my partner" story. Still waiting on the eye. . . .
In Pomp and Circuitry they are on the stage when Dr. impossible gets there and are referred to as "our friends from General Consolidated Insurance", so I'm pretty sure they are the Guild.. Possibly their right hand men.. It would make sense for them to infiltrate the guild now that their sole mission is to take down the guild.
That means that Bowie's got some connection to the Sovereign, though. He may even be one of the 13, which now that I think of it, leaves many questions. Who picks council members? How do they know when to meet via telescreen? Is there an order of seniority, in case of abstention in voting? Probably get some of those answed in Bot Seeks Bot.
Thoooooouuuuuggggghhhh . . . if the Sovereign is not really Bowie . . . then why would he make Watch and Ward contact Iman when he went out in search of Phantom Limb?
Perhaps there is a problem with having Bowie as a "real character." Say if someone wants to make a "Sovereign Doll" . . . sorry . . . "Action Figure." Well, technically, it is Bowie and "his people" may not grant permission.
Probably over-thinking this.
Perhaps there is a problem with having Bowie as a "real character." Say if someone wants to make a "Sovereign Doll" . . . sorry . . . "Action Figure." Well, technically, it is Bowie and "his people" may not grant permission.
Probably over-thinking this.
- by Phil
Maybe he lives with the real Bowie, or had plans with him? After all it sounded like Bowie's fond of him, whomever he is, putting him on the covers of Diamond Dogs and Pin Ups. So I guess they have some kind of actual business relationship, and are probably in touch regularly.
And now I'm over-thinking this too.
And now I'm over-thinking this too.
Ok, so great episode. Glad that Mol's got an in for future episodes. Really creeped out by the Investors, hope they don't come back, now that the Monstroso situation's no longer 'up in the air'. Who knows, he could've survived though- there's always a weird chance. Shame about the nozzle though.
Also, the return of Ted next week!
Also, the return of Ted next week!
- by beb off-site
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I concur. Everything in the episode was planned to get the feds off Gathers' back. It's hard to know when they were lying and when they weren't.
I thought the first time Brock met Molotov he and Gathers were on assignment in Paris. And not this apparently earlier encounter at the 88 (?) Olympics.
Mol and Brocks scene in Operation PROM seemed pretty definitive that Brock was done with her and yet here she is, again.
How stupid is Gathers to hire a mercenary knowing that there will always be someone out there willing to pay more for her services that he can.
The sovereign isn't "really" Bowie thing proobably has something to do with toy marketing because previously there was a big music themed aspect to the Guild with people like The Big Bopper as council members,
If Tank-Top and the others were all suspected double-agents, why was Shore leave placed in charge of them? Is he a suspected double agent?
It was nice to see someone give The Nozzle what it deserved.
I thought the first time Brock met Molotov he and Gathers were on assignment in Paris. And not this apparently earlier encounter at the 88 (?) Olympics.
Mol and Brocks scene in Operation PROM seemed pretty definitive that Brock was done with her and yet here she is, again.
How stupid is Gathers to hire a mercenary knowing that there will always be someone out there willing to pay more for her services that he can.
The sovereign isn't "really" Bowie thing proobably has something to do with toy marketing because previously there was a big music themed aspect to the Guild with people like The Big Bopper as council members,
If Tank-Top and the others were all suspected double-agents, why was Shore leave placed in charge of them? Is he a suspected double agent?
It was nice to see someone give The Nozzle what it deserved.
- by Phil
"I thought the first time Brock met Molotov he and Gathers were on assignment in Paris. And not this apparently earlier encounter at the 88 (?) Olympics."
I'd have to rewatch Assassinanny but as of right now I don't see much of an issue. That was Brock being trained, and the first time he met her. This was Brock on assignment, which presumably came afterward.
I haven't checked anything so I'm curious...did this episode specifically say it was his first time meeting her? Also, did either episode specify a year?
Again, not trying to nitpick, I honestly can't remember. I do know they referred to it as "The Goodwill Games" though, instead of the Olympics, so I think that's a different event.
I'd have to rewatch Assassinanny but as of right now I don't see much of an issue. That was Brock being trained, and the first time he met her. This was Brock on assignment, which presumably came afterward.
I haven't checked anything so I'm curious...did this episode specifically say it was his first time meeting her? Also, did either episode specify a year?
Again, not trying to nitpick, I honestly can't remember. I do know they referred to it as "The Goodwill Games" though, instead of the Olympics, so I think that's a different event.
I liked a lot about the episode, but you've identified some of my problems with it.
First, Hunter's decision to hire Molotov--even to dispose of a half-dozen dangerous double-agents--is insane. He could've left the job to Brock and Shoreleave, who are more than capable. And hiring her on a more permanent basis just to have an agent off the payroll? That's even crazier. I understand the desire to have a "deep-cover infiltrator" that O.S.I.'s enemies won't suspect, but I'm with Brock in believing that Molotov can't be trusted, no matter how much the O.S.I. is paying her.
Second, one of the show's running jokes is that the Guild is a haven for older rock stars. In addition to the Big Bopper and Buddy Holly, we've seen Klaus Nomi and Iggy Pop, and we've had references to Iman (Bowie's wife), "Eon" (a take on Brian Eno), and Eon's "warm jets." To me, the Bowie-isn't-the-Sovereign reveal undercuts much of what we've learned in the past.
I'm not sure if the Bowie-isn't-the-Sovereign thing is all about toy marketing. You're right that you can't use someone's image/likeness for commercial purposes without authorization, but marketing a toy that simply looks like Bowie would probably still run afoul of the rule. You can make limited use of someone's likeness for news purposes or parody, though, so the show could probably continue to use Bowie as it has in the past.
Whatever Doc's and Jackson's reasons, I wasn't thrilled about that development. But I love Bowie. I'm probably just disappointed by the possibility that he's not really an ultra-cool supervillain.
First, Hunter's decision to hire Molotov--even to dispose of a half-dozen dangerous double-agents--is insane. He could've left the job to Brock and Shoreleave, who are more than capable. And hiring her on a more permanent basis just to have an agent off the payroll? That's even crazier. I understand the desire to have a "deep-cover infiltrator" that O.S.I.'s enemies won't suspect, but I'm with Brock in believing that Molotov can't be trusted, no matter how much the O.S.I. is paying her.
Second, one of the show's running jokes is that the Guild is a haven for older rock stars. In addition to the Big Bopper and Buddy Holly, we've seen Klaus Nomi and Iggy Pop, and we've had references to Iman (Bowie's wife), "Eon" (a take on Brian Eno), and Eon's "warm jets." To me, the Bowie-isn't-the-Sovereign reveal undercuts much of what we've learned in the past.
I'm not sure if the Bowie-isn't-the-Sovereign thing is all about toy marketing. You're right that you can't use someone's image/likeness for commercial purposes without authorization, but marketing a toy that simply looks like Bowie would probably still run afoul of the rule. You can make limited use of someone's likeness for news purposes or parody, though, so the show could probably continue to use Bowie as it has in the past.
Whatever Doc's and Jackson's reasons, I wasn't thrilled about that development. But I love Bowie. I'm probably just disappointed by the possibility that he's not really an ultra-cool supervillain.
- by Kait
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I actually think the Bowie-isn't-the-Sovereign thing might be massive misdirection, and that they may have just paved the way for Bowie himself to show up.
Completely hypothetical, but if they did get Bowie's attention/involvement, having him voice the Sovereign long-term could be problematic in the amount of time he'd need to invest. But voicing the real Bowie - who's pulling the Sovereign's strings - wouldn't require more of a commitment than a single episode and would leave Urbaniak's Sovereign free to run amok as they see fit.
Keep in mind that this entire post is coming from the tiny part of me that is both incurably optimistic and comprised entirely of lunacy, so take it with a boulder of salt.
Completely hypothetical, but if they did get Bowie's attention/involvement, having him voice the Sovereign long-term could be problematic in the amount of time he'd need to invest. But voicing the real Bowie - who's pulling the Sovereign's strings - wouldn't require more of a commitment than a single episode and would leave Urbaniak's Sovereign free to run amok as they see fit.
Keep in mind that this entire post is coming from the tiny part of me that is both incurably optimistic and comprised entirely of lunacy, so take it with a boulder of salt.
There is also the possibility that Monstroso was lying about Bowie/Sovereign the whole time. It could be that his loyalty truly lies with Bowie. Or that he thinks the shapeshifter story is the truth, but that is simply a misdirection spread by Bowie himself. In the Venture-verse, no possibility is too implausible.
We saw shadows. They could have been robots built to resemble the general shape of the council members but with no defining features otherwise. Though the fact that the rooms the councilmen are in during teleconference are close enough for Phantom Limb to crash two and the crucible chamber says that it wouldn't be hard for them to find out who's who. Might be more of a respectful privacy than for security's sake then.
The thought that Monstroso was lying occurred to me, but Brock himself seemed certain that the Sovereign isn't really Bowie, so I dismissed it.
Now the idea that it's misdirection to set up an actual David Bowie cameo? That I hadn't thought of. If they can somehow get Bowie to do a guest voice on the show, I'll forgive my problems with undercutting previous plotlines!
Now the idea that it's misdirection to set up an actual David Bowie cameo? That I hadn't thought of. If they can somehow get Bowie to do a guest voice on the show, I'll forgive my problems with undercutting previous plotlines!
- by Mike
He said that he was testing Brock to make sure he wasn't a double agent. Him about to kill Molotov was proof of his loyalty, I guess. Probably the same for Shoreleave when he was up against Mol. Though I don't know why OSI double agents would not try to kill an apparent escaped enemy in order to prove their loyalty. My only thought there is that Molotov was valuable to the Guild for whatever reason so they wouldn't kill her but instead bring her (and Monstroso?) back. I need to watch it a second time. It's also not clear to me exactly when Hunter struck up that deal with Mol. Was it when she came onboard the ship or was it before the prom or somewhere in between?
- by Ghobbi
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Yeah, was the whole relationship with Monstroso a cover as well (at least as far as Mol was concerned)? Is that how Mol managed to pretend to be the rookie SPHINX member? In which case did Mo sacrifice the Blackhearts because Hunter had already got to her by that point? My brain aches.
Maybe I missed the point, then. I thought Hunter was telling Brock that this strange episode had been a test (1) of Molotov's abilities; and (2) of O.S.I.'s defenses. As Molotov eliminated the known double-agents as per Hunter's orders, she passed. But as she ran riot all over the O.S.I. hover-base thing, O.S.I. failed and needs to beef up its internal defenses.
I didn't catch that the test had anything to do with Brock or Shoreleave. In fact, I thought Molotov's kicking of Shoreleave into the closet with the "premos" was to get him out of the way. She could then do her job without risking injury to Shoreleave. As for Brock, Hunter seemed genuinely panicked that Brock might kill Molotov. His frantic running/yelling leads me to think that Brock was never part of the test.
I didn't catch that the test had anything to do with Brock or Shoreleave. In fact, I thought Molotov's kicking of Shoreleave into the closet with the "premos" was to get him out of the way. She could then do her job without risking injury to Shoreleave. As for Brock, Hunter seemed genuinely panicked that Brock might kill Molotov. His frantic running/yelling leads me to think that Brock was never part of the test.
That was my understanding as well. As for when, I'd say well before prom- Hunter vouched for the rookie in Pomp And Circuitry and I assume Mol was always the rookie, so he had some sort of plan in place with her. As for whether Mol had feelings for Monstroso, no idea- he probably treated her well, so she must have liked that much.
- by Mike
Nope, you're exactly right. I just rewatched the end portion. However the point about when Mol was hired still stands.
Her being hired by OSI during SPHINX doesn't seem to make sense though, mainly because SPHINX had no involvement with OSI until Tresiter put Hunter in charge. So I would assume whatever she told Brock during "Prom" was accurate but then Hunter hired her sometime pretty recently, perhaps even during this episode. That's also why they needed her to be deceased, since she was technically escaped and there was no other way for her to be in the position they wanted her to be in.
Her being hired by OSI during SPHINX doesn't seem to make sense though, mainly because SPHINX had no involvement with OSI until Tresiter put Hunter in charge. So I would assume whatever she told Brock during "Prom" was accurate but then Hunter hired her sometime pretty recently, perhaps even during this episode. That's also why they needed her to be deceased, since she was technically escaped and there was no other way for her to be in the position they wanted her to be in.
Shirt Club's here! And it's appropriately awesome!
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Yes, it is OSI and Warburton's wearing it.
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Yes, it is OSI and Warburton's wearing it.
Amazing episode, easily best of the season so far. There were also so many great one-off characters this episode. Headshot, Amber Gold, and Afterburner might even return.
Sadly we also lost Bum Rush, Tank Top, Shuttlecock, Afterburner, and Slap Chop. Good night sweet princes, we hardly knew ye.
Sadly we also lost Bum Rush, Tank Top, Shuttlecock, Afterburner, and Slap Chop. Good night sweet princes, we hardly knew ye.
Was "Tank Top" another MST3K ref? :)
http://movies-and-mst3k.tumblr.com/post/29059958634/mst3k-season-2-episode-4-catalina-caper
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- by Mecha-Shiva
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-------Bum Rush, Tank Top, Shuttlecock, Afterburner, and Slap Chop---------. I miss them! Hope they return as super loyal double agent kmart greeter cyborgs.
Thought Monstroso was a LaVey type character. Not so sure with all that hair! Anton was a baldie after he donned the pointy horns.
Anyone else think Clue Clown is Sovreign doing a stand in with his Ashes To Ashes straight to video acting outfit? No? A shape shifting Investor?
Stretching here.
Mind blitz of info and fun, thanks Manta Claus!
Thought Monstroso was a LaVey type character. Not so sure with all that hair! Anton was a baldie after he donned the pointy horns.
Anyone else think Clue Clown is Sovreign doing a stand in with his Ashes To Ashes straight to video acting outfit? No? A shape shifting Investor?
Stretching here.
Mind blitz of info and fun, thanks Manta Claus!
- by beb offisite
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Anyone else catch Dean joking about Hank jumping off a roof when he was playing The Bat and killing himself. How does Dean know that? And the bigger question is what happened when only one of thr boys got killed. Did they just pretend that he didn't get killed or did Brock have to go in and kill the survivor so the new clones wouldn't suspect anything.
That's what I was assuming. Rusty probably didn't do to good a job of hiding the evidence of the deaths (like security footage etc.) So once Dean knew the truth he was able to do some digging once he knew what to look for, and probably found out much more than Rusty wanted. He was home alone during "Venture Libre" so who knows what he was able to find out without everyone around.
- by midnightradio
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better question: how does HANK know about that? in the season three finale, when he's talking to the french assassin in the Batman towel, he mentions he jumped off his roof in a Batman costume. but then says he might have dreamed it. So it's a thing Hank remembers doing, even though it caused him to die. so what does THAT mean?
- by Phil
I think the format jackknifed the tension in this one slightly...it feels a bit like the structure of the episode was decided first, and then the writing came in and it would have benefited from a continuous heightening of suspense rather than cutting back and forth...
...but that's a nitpick of the highest order. This episode was fantastic...I haven't laughed so much all season. Absolutely loved this.
...but that's a nitpick of the highest order. This episode was fantastic...I haven't laughed so much all season. Absolutely loved this.
- by Phil
Some things I loved about this episode:
1. Apparently, Brock's first partner in the O.S.I. was MacGyver.
2. Brock first met Molotov in '86, while both were posing as athletes at the Goodwill Games. That makes Brock, like, 50 years old. Under the circumstances, he's holding up pretty well (much like the real Patrick Warburton).
3. Hank's atrophied limbs. Oh, and the condition of his S.P.H.I.N.X.-issued t-shirt and shorts after weeks of refusing to remove the suit. Hilarious.
4. Bill Hader as Headshot. I hope we see him as Professor Impossible at least once this season.
I liked a lot more about the episode, but those are the things that stand out after a first viewing.
1. Apparently, Brock's first partner in the O.S.I. was MacGyver.
2. Brock first met Molotov in '86, while both were posing as athletes at the Goodwill Games. That makes Brock, like, 50 years old. Under the circumstances, he's holding up pretty well (much like the real Patrick Warburton).
3. Hank's atrophied limbs. Oh, and the condition of his S.P.H.I.N.X.-issued t-shirt and shorts after weeks of refusing to remove the suit. Hilarious.
4. Bill Hader as Headshot. I hope we see him as Professor Impossible at least once this season.
I liked a lot more about the episode, but those are the things that stand out after a first viewing.
- by Descriptor
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Yeah, from the looks of it, I don't think we will hear a single thing from the Revenge Society this season.It's a darn shame, too. It seems like there are just so many plot threads dangling around, there are too many to address in one season! Kinda makes me wish this one wasn't so short...
Oh well, on to season 6 I suppose!
Oh well, on to season 6 I suppose!
Great episode, I love that Hank's Destiny suit continued on a few episodes past its first appearance. Please please please if they don't mention it before hand, someone ask Jackson & Doc about the Bowie thing at one of their convention panels. That was the only part of the episode that I disliked. :(
- by Ghobbi
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Well, he used the Investors to save his own life; I'm not sure that's such a bad thing. In The Silent Partners I thought he was genuinely likeable. And while he could have forced Billy to operate on him on pain of death he actually returned the favour with a diploma and three prostitutes. He clearly has some amount of honour and fair play.
- by Sgt Haine
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I hear a lot of people on here talking about plotholes. "why would Hunter do that?"
My lore knowledge may be fuzzy, but it's always seemed that while Samson looks up to Gathers as a father figure, it's not exactly mutual. I suspect Gathers intentions may be dubious. Hasn't he misled Brock in the past?
My lore knowledge may be fuzzy, but it's always seemed that while Samson looks up to Gathers as a father figure, it's not exactly mutual. I suspect Gathers intentions may be dubious. Hasn't he misled Brock in the past?
- by zip
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I wonder if Cardholder and Doe weren't pawns to be sacrificed, that the real mole was Hunter.
Mol did try to kill Shoreleave, no doubt about that, and she dropped a plane on Brock. Are they double agents too?
You could argue that the real purpose of SPHINX was to eliminate Guild competition. If you don't join the Guild, you die.
Mol did try to kill Shoreleave, no doubt about that, and she dropped a plane on Brock. Are they double agents too?
You could argue that the real purpose of SPHINX was to eliminate Guild competition. If you don't join the Guild, you die.
- by Mike
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I thought she was bluffing in the Prom episode. If you remember Brock goes into sphinx base to make it with one of the escorts and that's when Molotov attacks. The girl is genuinely afraid and Molotov tells her that if she wants to live that she should run away. These things indicating that this actually was a prostitute and had no idea who Molotov was.
On his LiveJournal page, Jackson has indicated that the girls in "Operation: P.R.O.M." were indeed Molotov's Black Hearts:
"Let's further remember that these were not innocent sex workers, but heartless mercenaries paid to murder everyone in the room for money, in order to spring a known felon from custody."
I'm not sure how to properly link things here, but the web address is as follows:
http://jacksonpublick.livejournal.com/29998.html?page=6#comments
"Let's further remember that these were not innocent sex workers, but heartless mercenaries paid to murder everyone in the room for money, in order to spring a known felon from custody."
I'm not sure how to properly link things here, but the web address is as follows:
http://jacksonpublick.livejournal.com/29998.html?page=6#comments
I know Jackson said that, and he co-wrote the episode but I think think he's wrong.
The scene in Sphynx HQ doesn't make any sense unless the escort was just a hooker.
Mol says the escorts were supposed to start helping everyone at Midnight. It was after midnight when Brock arrived at the hanger and no one was killing anyone. They were turning into bugs but even then they were no apparent attempt to kill anyone.
And in Cleansuit one of the escorts survive till morning in Rusty's bed. Apparently, again without trying to kill him.
Saying that the escorts were her Blackhearts seems like a dodge to get Brock to leave her alone while she prepares her escape.
The scene in Sphynx HQ doesn't make any sense unless the escort was just a hooker.
Mol says the escorts were supposed to start helping everyone at Midnight. It was after midnight when Brock arrived at the hanger and no one was killing anyone. They were turning into bugs but even then they were no apparent attempt to kill anyone.
And in Cleansuit one of the escorts survive till morning in Rusty's bed. Apparently, again without trying to kill him.
Saying that the escorts were her Blackhearts seems like a dodge to get Brock to leave her alone while she prepares her escape.
The girls don't start executing anyone at midnight, sure, but I think we're meant to conclude that they don't because Rusty's Spanish Fly is working on them. After all, these women--who before showed no interest in Doc, Billy, etc.--are now having a great time, dancing, and in the case of Pete White, doing other things! The joke, I think, is that Rusty's special proprietary blend works for a while but then has a tragically unexpected side-effect.
As for the bug-girl that survives, I think the joke is that the Spanish Fly concoction is still working on her. And that Doc may have been so drunk as to have sex with her, six legs, wings, antennae and all!
As for the bug-girl that survives, I think the joke is that the Spanish Fly concoction is still working on her. And that Doc may have been so drunk as to have sex with her, six legs, wings, antennae and all!
- by Hank
- by RetroWarbird
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A good guess with some unconscious remembrance; I'm pretty shortly after The Better Man (I think maybe during Everybody Comes to Hank's) it was explicitly stated that Al had moved into Triana's old room.
I got the impression Monstroso was lying, that seems to be his thing. But what the Investors' game is, I can't guess. They do seem Killinger-esque. Although ghosts ... I mean who wants to rule out Henchman # 24? And who knows with Hunter - he seemed genuinely surprised that Travers would sign him up, and Travers proved (stunningly) not to be villainous at all.
And then there's the Origin of the G.C.I., the orb, the Revenge Society, and the odd one - how they all turned up at the same meeting when "Zero" attacked in Any Which Way But Zeus, at Travers' beck and call. Some big secret they've got going there ... the Revengers have great motivation and style, but they're actually (in spite of how we were introduced to them; successful super scientist, high-ranking guild rat, and evil nation ruler) a sad middle-aged lot. Like, "Rusty Venture" levels of sad. Like, kind of pathetic failures compared to The Monarch levels of sad.
I got the impression Monstroso was lying, that seems to be his thing. But what the Investors' game is, I can't guess. They do seem Killinger-esque. Although ghosts ... I mean who wants to rule out Henchman # 24? And who knows with Hunter - he seemed genuinely surprised that Travers would sign him up, and Travers proved (stunningly) not to be villainous at all.
And then there's the Origin of the G.C.I., the orb, the Revenge Society, and the odd one - how they all turned up at the same meeting when "Zero" attacked in Any Which Way But Zeus, at Travers' beck and call. Some big secret they've got going there ... the Revengers have great motivation and style, but they're actually (in spite of how we were introduced to them; successful super scientist, high-ranking guild rat, and evil nation ruler) a sad middle-aged lot. Like, "Rusty Venture" levels of sad. Like, kind of pathetic failures compared to The Monarch levels of sad.
After a re-watch, a few other things I loved about this episode:
1. Thirwell's updated take on the spy movie theme.
2. Paget Brewster as Amber Gold. I had no idea it was her until I checked the end credits. I'm so used to her "Thrilling Adventure Hour," pre-war Hollywood voice that I missed it.
3. Hatred's measurements. 48 triple-Ds. Holy jeez.
4. Dean's drink of choice this season? Orange Fanta.
5. Shoreleave's "Teen Beat" pin-ups.
6. All the hot action scenes. Those were some of the best in the show's history.
7. Something no one's really talked about: Hank coming to bat for "Uncle Vatred." I don't know how far Molotov was willing to go to complete her assignment, but it certainly seemed like she was aiming directly at Hatred. If not for Hank/Destiny, the Ventures would have been in the market for a new bodyguard.
1. Thirwell's updated take on the spy movie theme.
2. Paget Brewster as Amber Gold. I had no idea it was her until I checked the end credits. I'm so used to her "Thrilling Adventure Hour," pre-war Hollywood voice that I missed it.
3. Hatred's measurements. 48 triple-Ds. Holy jeez.
4. Dean's drink of choice this season? Orange Fanta.
5. Shoreleave's "Teen Beat" pin-ups.
6. All the hot action scenes. Those were some of the best in the show's history.
7. Something no one's really talked about: Hank coming to bat for "Uncle Vatred." I don't know how far Molotov was willing to go to complete her assignment, but it certainly seemed like she was aiming directly at Hatred. If not for Hank/Destiny, the Ventures would have been in the market for a new bodyguard.
- by Hank
Yeah I agree you guys. I always like Hatred, you know... despite the fact that lots of the internet doesn't. Uncle Vatred is really getting fleshed out. The "Mad Pierrot" flashback from ep. 2, the bonding between him and hank this ep, but not forget him and Dean in the previous one. "you're the best dean" That was also really sweet, i think. ALSO McCulloch's acting for hatred is totally underappreciated. "you're loosin 'em doc." "too many cigars for these ol' lungs" - Sublime!
- by Blixa Barfgold & Homeless Travel Pillow Patsy
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This movie has a TON of O.S.I., Doe & Cardholder (Dragnet) type banter. The Magnetic Monster 1953.
http://www.oh-the-horror.com/page.php?id=1065
http://www.oh-the-horror.com/page.php?id=1065
- by cpc65
I find it odd that the OSI, or at least Brock, doesn't seem to know about the Council of 13. Hatred was in The Guild and switched sides. Didn't he know? He claims to have told the OSI all of The Guild's dirty little secrets. And Dragoon / Red Mantle were at the think tank in Any Which Way But Zeus.
Good point. Hell, even Billy may have some awareness. After all, he was kidnaped by Phantom Limb/Revenge to graft one council member's head--Dragoon's--onto the body of another--Red Mantle. In his time in their presence, Billy probably heard enough to piece together some general ideas about the Guild and its ruling council. And Billy could have shared his knowledge with Brock at any of several times (e.g., following his transplant of King Gorilla's heart into Monstroso).
- by cpc65
Did they give the name of the OSI agent in what looks to be an astronaut suite (second from the right in the pic above). I heard Tank Top, Bum Rush and Shuttle Cock.
Also, I'm guessing Bum Rush was probably modeled after some homeless guy that Doc and / or JP saw in NY, just as Jefferson Twilight was.
Also, also it would have been way cool to see more of a fight between Mol and Shore Leave.
Also, I'm guessing Bum Rush was probably modeled after some homeless guy that Doc and / or JP saw in NY, just as Jefferson Twilight was.
Also, also it would have been way cool to see more of a fight between Mol and Shore Leave.
- by cpc65
No one has cataloged the parallels between this episode and the first half of The Avengers movie. OK, there are not that many plot points that overlap outside of the whole everything takes place on a helicarrier scene and the guy in strength suit falls into the turbine, but here's my list of character parallels:
Avengers -------------- O.S.I. Love You
Nick Fury -------------- Hunter Gathers
Capt. America -------- Sgt. Hatred
Iron Man -------------- Hank/Destiny
Tony Stark ------------ Dr. Venture
Hulk -------------------- Brock Samson
Bruce Banner -------- Bumrush
Black Widow --------- Molotov Cocktease
Hawkeye -------------- Headshot
Maria Hill -------------- Amber Gold
Thor -------------------- Brock Sampson
Loki --------------------- Monstroso
Agent Coulson ------- Mr. Frost
Jarvis ------------------ H.E.L.P.eR.
Stan Lee ------------- Ted Turner
The Investors are also very Whedonlike villains being a cross between The Gentlemen from Buffy and The Idea Men from the Tick.
Avengers -------------- O.S.I. Love You
Nick Fury -------------- Hunter Gathers
Capt. America -------- Sgt. Hatred
Iron Man -------------- Hank/Destiny
Tony Stark ------------ Dr. Venture
Hulk -------------------- Brock Samson
Bruce Banner -------- Bumrush
Black Widow --------- Molotov Cocktease
Hawkeye -------------- Headshot
Maria Hill -------------- Amber Gold
Thor -------------------- Brock Sampson
Loki --------------------- Monstroso
Agent Coulson ------- Mr. Frost
Jarvis ------------------ H.E.L.P.eR.
Stan Lee ------------- Ted Turner
The Investors are also very Whedonlike villains being a cross between The Gentlemen from Buffy and The Idea Men from the Tick.
- by beb off-site
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This episode is the third time the guys have walked back developments in Operation PROM. The first two were in Cleansuit when Hatred's reconciliation with Princess Tinyfeet is aborted, and then Gary, after being drafted in Sphynx is left behind when Sphynx returns to OSI. The third development was when Brock said he was through with Mol and now she's going to be a regular "comrade." It's like PROM was written to be the series ender but once they got renewed they've had to deny a bunch of stuff to make the series on-going.
- by cpc65
- by cpc65
Chronologically - These past few episodes take place before the Halloween show, and thus well before the conclusion of Cleansuit. Spanikopita takes place at the anniversary of Jackie O's wedding in Greece, which as Mike pointed out in the capsule was Oct. 20th and lasted 3 days. Hank got the strength suit in the previous episode, S.P.H.I.N.X. Rising, and was still in at at the beginning of Spanikopita and for most of O.S. I. Love You. He must have had a speedy rehab as he seemed perfectly fine and mobile in the Halloween show. So the question is, which remaining episode, if any, takes place after the conclusion of the events of Cleansuit?
I'm pretty sure all but the Halloween episode take place after the conclusion of "Cleansuit." In "Venture Libre," for example, Dean is sleeping in his attic bedroom, the one he moved into in "Cleansuit." And in "S.P.H.I.N.X. Rising," Gary is in charge of S.P.H.I.N.X., to which he was given the keys/lease in "Cleansuit." So I think they all take place afterwards.
- by cpc65
- by Mike
The first Spanikopita took place on that date but we don't know when Doc goes back there every year.
Also the three most recent episodes definitely take place after the Halloween episode because Dean knows (and mentions) that he's a clone. They could potentially take place before the post-Halloween portion of "Cleansuit" but I think they're intended to be chronological.
Also the three most recent episodes definitely take place after the Halloween episode because Dean knows (and mentions) that he's a clone. They could potentially take place before the post-Halloween portion of "Cleansuit" but I think they're intended to be chronological.
Hmmm. I see your point. The events I cited occur early in "Cleansuit," so don't preclude other episodes taking place before its end. Still, I don't think there's any question that we're supposed to believe the episodes we've seen this season--with the exception of the Halloween episode--take place after "Cleansuit." Let me try again.
"Cleansuit" ends with the Ventures, Billy and Pete, and Gary coming together to retake the E-Den and thwart the interns' planned uprising. At that point, (1) St. Cloud has joined the Guild and chosen Billy as his arch; (2) Billy and Pete have beaten St. Cloud in a single-question quiz-off, and are now in possession of walking eye-H.E.L.P.eR.; and (3) Gary is still in charge of S.P.H.I.N.X. (or at least living on the compound and wearing his S.P.H.I.N.X. gear).
In "Venture Libre," we see Dean restore H.E.L.P.eR. back to his original, non-walking eye condition. So at the very least, the final scenes of "Venture Libre" take place after the conclusion of "Cleansuit."
In "S.P.H.I.N.X. Rising," we see Gary assemble his team, which includes Hank/Destiny. By episode's end, we see the O.S.I. and the Monarch--acting independently, of course--destroy the flying Khafra monument and the S.P.H.I.N.X. building on Doc Venture's property. Because Gary is still living on the Venture compound and acting as S.P.H.I.N.X. commander at the end of "Cleansuit," we can infer that this split-screen destruction scene takes place prior to the end of "Cleansuit." As further evidence, we see several shots of the Venture kitchen and living room, but no Palaemon interns. This is circumstantial evidence, to be sure, but I think it's valid.
In "Spanakopita," St. Cloud is already acting as Billy's arch (Dr. Venture says as much). Moreover, he makes mention of the quiz-off scene near the end of "Cleansuit" ("It's as debatable as your eBay "Top Seller" rating . . . ."). So despite your point about the dates, the episode has to take place after "Cleansuit."
Finally, in "O.S.I. Love You," we see non-walking eye H.E.L.P.eR. flying the X-1. As mentioned above, Dean restored H.E.L.P.eR. at the end of "Venture Libre" (i.e., post-"Cleansuit"). Thus, this episode takes place entirely after the events of "Cleansuit."
If I had to guess, I'd say you've discovered a continuity error. It's possible, though, that the events of "Spanakopita" take place, not in the same year as "Cleansuit," but the following September.
Apologies for such a long post!
"Cleansuit" ends with the Ventures, Billy and Pete, and Gary coming together to retake the E-Den and thwart the interns' planned uprising. At that point, (1) St. Cloud has joined the Guild and chosen Billy as his arch; (2) Billy and Pete have beaten St. Cloud in a single-question quiz-off, and are now in possession of walking eye-H.E.L.P.eR.; and (3) Gary is still in charge of S.P.H.I.N.X. (or at least living on the compound and wearing his S.P.H.I.N.X. gear).
In "Venture Libre," we see Dean restore H.E.L.P.eR. back to his original, non-walking eye condition. So at the very least, the final scenes of "Venture Libre" take place after the conclusion of "Cleansuit."
In "S.P.H.I.N.X. Rising," we see Gary assemble his team, which includes Hank/Destiny. By episode's end, we see the O.S.I. and the Monarch--acting independently, of course--destroy the flying Khafra monument and the S.P.H.I.N.X. building on Doc Venture's property. Because Gary is still living on the Venture compound and acting as S.P.H.I.N.X. commander at the end of "Cleansuit," we can infer that this split-screen destruction scene takes place prior to the end of "Cleansuit." As further evidence, we see several shots of the Venture kitchen and living room, but no Palaemon interns. This is circumstantial evidence, to be sure, but I think it's valid.
In "Spanakopita," St. Cloud is already acting as Billy's arch (Dr. Venture says as much). Moreover, he makes mention of the quiz-off scene near the end of "Cleansuit" ("It's as debatable as your eBay "Top Seller" rating . . . ."). So despite your point about the dates, the episode has to take place after "Cleansuit."
Finally, in "O.S.I. Love You," we see non-walking eye H.E.L.P.eR. flying the X-1. As mentioned above, Dean restored H.E.L.P.eR. at the end of "Venture Libre" (i.e., post-"Cleansuit"). Thus, this episode takes place entirely after the events of "Cleansuit."
If I had to guess, I'd say you've discovered a continuity error. It's possible, though, that the events of "Spanakopita" take place, not in the same year as "Cleansuit," but the following September.
Apologies for such a long post!
- by cpc65
Yeah, I see your points. I do agree now that the last few episodes came after Cleansuit, but I still think the guys messed up on the date of Spanikopita and just didn't catch it. I doubt they'll pull a Tolkien though and rewrite an entire chapter because they realized they were off by one day in the lunar cycle.
- by cpc65
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