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It's that time again! Time to talk about the
latest Venture Bros. episode which should be
airing in a few minutes for those of you on the
eastern side of the country. Everyone else no
doubt knows the drill by this point. As always,
the comments will probably contain
spoilers so stay away if you don't want to
be spoiled. The episode will be up on Adult Swim
Video some time tomorrow, and I'll let you know
when right here. Enjoy!
Update (11/2 4:02am EST) - Again I forgot to enable voting, so feel free to head over to the capsule and vote on it.
Update (11/2 6:18pm EST) - The episode is up on Adult Swim.com for your viewing pleasure.
Update (11/2 4:02am EST) - Again I forgot to enable voting, so feel free to head over to the capsule and vote on it.
Update (11/2 6:18pm EST) - The episode is up on Adult Swim.com for your viewing pleasure.
- by Hayes
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- by Hayes
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I agree. I feel like as the Venture-verse gets bigger, the opportunity for "stand-alone" episodes diminish. I guess Handsome Ransom was kinda its "own" episode, but I am still kinda confused with that one.
Seasons 1 and 2 generally you could watch a random episode without ever seeing the show before and get the general idea of the show. Now 3 and 4 it seems like you need to do your homework to get whats up.
Is that a bad thing? I think I like the deeper plots personally.
Seasons 1 and 2 generally you could watch a random episode without ever seeing the show before and get the general idea of the show. Now 3 and 4 it seems like you need to do your homework to get whats up.
Is that a bad thing? I think I like the deeper plots personally.
- by Col. AldusValor
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- by Joe
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Well, except for the unbelievable grisliness of that hunchback Dean (and the mysterious way that the boy's clone corpses don't seem to decompose...and the realization that should have occured to me sooner that there is in fact a mass grave of teenagers on the compound)....that was a pretty good ep, destined to be a classic!
- by Col. Aldus Valor
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- by The Mysterious 'H'
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Good but not great. Some nice references, especially the whole David Koresh thing. I'd agree that Pink Floyd has to be taken carefully but Dark Side Of The Moon was fairly accessible for me. The Wall though, whoo ... But, I'm off topic. I'm not even sure how the Dean clone could survive but that's What Goes Down Must Come Up all over again. So far, Handsome Ransom's my favorite.
Oh, and the opening with Brock's fade and Doc's crazy fashion was hilarious. I'm a sucker for 80's style references.
Oh, and the opening with Brock's fade and Doc's crazy fashion was hilarious. I'm a sucker for 80's style references.
- by Doctor X
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Probably just a good running gag--homes with more than one person never, somehow, have enough bathrooms. Clearly Jonas Venture Sr. never thought of adding one, and Dr. Venture did not think of it either with two kids--they really never figured out this "having kids thing," but that is probably reading too much into it.
But . . . is the bathroom that Hank goes in--that the Torrent sort of "stinks up"--the same bathroom The Monarch leaves his "wrath?"
But . . . is the bathroom that Hank goes in--that the Torrent sort of "stinks up"--the same bathroom The Monarch leaves his "wrath?"
- by cpc65
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Yes. There's 3 doors. One each to Doc's room and the boys room and one that connects to the hall.
There are most likely bathrooms in the other wings, but Doc probably had the water shut off to them and / or they're in disrepair. Doctor O's appartment must have it's own bathroom though.
There are most likely bathrooms in the other wings, but Doc probably had the water shut off to them and / or they're in disrepair. Doctor O's appartment must have it's own bathroom though.
- by Col. Aldus Valor
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- by Col. Aldus Valor
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- by Jake D
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What bothers me is doc should have been able to fix this in the prototypes, admittedly that would mean doc has some skills as a geneticist, assuming he wasnt lying to brock (which is a clear possiblity) he was able to remove the cancerous bits from the 'lost' kid in the buddy system.
Seriously is cancer easier to fix than male pattern baldness?
Seriously is cancer easier to fix than male pattern baldness?
- by crudethongs on wolfmilf hormones
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i fell asleep in the middle! argh! will have to watch again. was hoping they developed sgt hatreds personality as a weird hesitating commando. i woke up as they were taking his kiddie porn computer away.
bill bruford reference was pretty funny. the lp was "anderson, bruford, wakeman, vow" i think. or yes plays voivov.
no, i really dont have any idea what that lp was. like i said roger dean did a billion lp covers, and maybe 100 more in ventureverse. super nice guy according to a dude who worked a yes concert i kno.
bill bruford reference was pretty funny. the lp was "anderson, bruford, wakeman, vow" i think. or yes plays voivov.
no, i really dont have any idea what that lp was. like i said roger dean did a billion lp covers, and maybe 100 more in ventureverse. super nice guy according to a dude who worked a yes concert i kno.
- by red menace
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the one bathroom in the venture compound is most likely a brady bunch gag. We also saw the cover from "fragile" from yes in the record stack. I'm amazed at the little things Jackson and Doc put in that are only on screen for a 1/4 second. Seems they have been limiting the voice talent to stay under budget.
- by Chris Thompson
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To paraphrase Sgt. Hatred from the Season opener:
"Jackson, I will give you SOOOO much money to not write more Dermott episodes."
Seriously, I would have loved this episode if I hadn't been for him. Yes, teenagers are obnoxious. We all knew a Dermott in school and he was a tool. We get it. Can we put the character away now? I don't even care who is parents are at this point, because that revelation will mean putting up with him for another 22 minutes.
Apart from him, I thought the episode was great. They are starting to fill Hatred out as a character, which is awesome. I want more reject Dean!
"Jackson, I will give you SOOOO much money to not write more Dermott episodes."
Seriously, I would have loved this episode if I hadn't been for him. Yes, teenagers are obnoxious. We all knew a Dermott in school and he was a tool. We get it. Can we put the character away now? I don't even care who is parents are at this point, because that revelation will mean putting up with him for another 22 minutes.
Apart from him, I thought the episode was great. They are starting to fill Hatred out as a character, which is awesome. I want more reject Dean!
- by Mike
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- by Joe
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Sure Dermott is well written and everything...and he looks a LOT like a guy I went to high school with...but he's starting to get my nerves a little...and so is Sergeant Hatred...and I'm still wondering who triggered the bomb strapped to H.E.L.P.eR.
Phantom Limb perhaps? LOL (Ok, that was a lame attempt at humor, but I'm finding it hard to believe that it was the obvious choice, i.e. the Moppets. Jackson and Doc are way better than that.)
But who else could it be? Dr. Girlfriend? She wasn't anywhere near the trigger.
Phantom Limb perhaps? LOL (Ok, that was a lame attempt at humor, but I'm finding it hard to believe that it was the obvious choice, i.e. the Moppets. Jackson and Doc are way better than that.)
But who else could it be? Dr. Girlfriend? She wasn't anywhere near the trigger.
- by Mike
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- by Roscoe
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Nutts to you guys! I think dermott is GREAT! I started laughing as soon as he -creepily- Appeared in Hanks room!
I can't get enough of him. The compulsive lying, his inability to be anything but a poser-dick! Hillarious! I hope to see LOADS more Dremott in the upcomming season.
I have to say though, as is always my complaint; I am really sorry we haven't seen Triana yet. I think her dynamic in the show is genius. She is a down-to-earth, real world girl, in a fantastic world of super scientists, super-heros, and monsters, and she seems keenly aware of this fact. It's brilliant.
I can't get enough of him. The compulsive lying, his inability to be anything but a poser-dick! Hillarious! I hope to see LOADS more Dremott in the upcomming season.
I have to say though, as is always my complaint; I am really sorry we haven't seen Triana yet. I think her dynamic in the show is genius. She is a down-to-earth, real world girl, in a fantastic world of super scientists, super-heros, and monsters, and she seems keenly aware of this fact. It's brilliant.
- by cpc65
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I wasn't too keen on Dermott myself when he first showed up in The Buddy System, except for when dean beat the snot out of him, and was hoping his appearance was a one shot deal. But since the ending of that episode made it likely he'd be back, I've adjusted to him. He does seem a bit out of place compared to most of the other characters, as if he was lifted from another cartoon show and dropped into VB. I do think it’s funny though, all those lame ass excuses that come out of his mouth as to why he can't do, or couldn't do, all these awesome things he says he can do. It looks like even naive Hank is finally starting to wise up to him and is realizing that Dermott may not be as cool as he thinks he is, especially after he bailed on Hank during their "flight to the border".
- by Chris Thompson
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Oh believe me, I know that he's SUPPOSED to be annoying. I'm sure Doc and Jackson intended for him to be the obnoxiouslittle turd that he is. But his annoyingness doesn't make me laugh; it makes me want to turn my television off. If he's pushing the audience away instead of pushing the plot forward, maybe it's time he faded into the background.
- by Eric
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In addition to supposed to being annoying, I see Dermott as Hank's foil. Dermott proposes crap so far out there that Hank becomes the straight man. That he has to stop and be the one to take things seriously (even if they do inevitably end up in silly hijinks.)
Bonus? Dermott's good for Hank's assertiveness.
We've seen Dermott in, what, 3 (?) episodes so far? I got enough faith in Jackson and Doc to give them a chance to go somewhere with this.
Bonus? Dermott's good for Hank's assertiveness.
We've seen Dermott in, what, 3 (?) episodes so far? I got enough faith in Jackson and Doc to give them a chance to go somewhere with this.
- by monjoe
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This one was weird and dark.
The premise was unoriginal (Simpsons did it!) and I'm not a huge fan of the art and music jokes. But my wish did come true with the deformed Dean dying quickly and randomly. I also didn't like what he did with Hank.
Also; I could've sworn this felt like a Doc Hammer episode.
The premise was unoriginal (Simpsons did it!) and I'm not a huge fan of the art and music jokes. But my wish did come true with the deformed Dean dying quickly and randomly. I also didn't like what he did with Hank.
Also; I could've sworn this felt like a Doc Hammer episode.
- by Mike
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- by Creepy Crooner
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Another great episode! Season 4 is shaping up to be just what was promised! A total return-to-form in terms of the stand-alone comedy episodes (a la season 1) but with all the rich character development we have come to love in seasons 2 and 3! My only complaint so far is where are the Moppets? They're my favorite and I was hoping that the overwhelming hatred of them would inspire Doc and Jackson to use them even more this year! Oh well. There's a lot of season left. Here's to hoping they get their own episode!
All the prog rock stuff was hilarious - of course that's how Doc gets his inspiration! Classic! Hatred is shaping up perfectly as a new addition to the Venture clan and any ep with flashbacks to Doc and Brock's early years is highly regarded by yours truly.
Joe - I believe the hairball was just some of Dean's hair which he lost in the shower. This served as a reminder to him and his father that the boys are actually growing up now.
ZJS - I have found these first three episodes joke-for-joke funnier than the first batch of Season 3 eps. This, of course, is a matter of opinion or what we find funny. So far season four has been exceedingly dark - which I can't get enough of!
Chris - You're crazy. Dermot is completely hilarious! Sure, his voice kind of sounds like every other character Doc does but the delivery is priceless and his dialog is among the best for any character in the show's history. Plus he works really well as a foil for the naivety of the Venture twins as they usually buy into his rediculous claims and stories.
Also, unless they do some sort of non-linear thing (which is definitely not out of the question), I wouldn't count on seeing any more of reject clone Dean as he was presumably incinerated after hugging the exploding Doc decoy.
All the prog rock stuff was hilarious - of course that's how Doc gets his inspiration! Classic! Hatred is shaping up perfectly as a new addition to the Venture clan and any ep with flashbacks to Doc and Brock's early years is highly regarded by yours truly.
Joe - I believe the hairball was just some of Dean's hair which he lost in the shower. This served as a reminder to him and his father that the boys are actually growing up now.
ZJS - I have found these first three episodes joke-for-joke funnier than the first batch of Season 3 eps. This, of course, is a matter of opinion or what we find funny. So far season four has been exceedingly dark - which I can't get enough of!
Chris - You're crazy. Dermot is completely hilarious! Sure, his voice kind of sounds like every other character Doc does but the delivery is priceless and his dialog is among the best for any character in the show's history. Plus he works really well as a foil for the naivety of the Venture twins as they usually buy into his rediculous claims and stories.
Also, unless they do some sort of non-linear thing (which is definitely not out of the question), I wouldn't count on seeing any more of reject clone Dean as he was presumably incinerated after hugging the exploding Doc decoy.
- by Pvt. Schwa
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Am I the only one around here who doesn't enjoy the stand-alone episodes as much as the plot-heavy episodes? Personally, I'm a bit tired of the pattern of all the plot development crammed into the first and last couple episodes of every season, then put on hold.
This show struggles with balance. The first episode of season 4 had too much plot, and the subsequent ones don't have enough. Is it too much to ask that this show have plot development and character development at the same time?
This show struggles with balance. The first episode of season 4 had too much plot, and the subsequent ones don't have enough. Is it too much to ask that this show have plot development and character development at the same time?
- by Col. Aldus Valor
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- by Mike
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What, these last two episodes have been HUGE as far as the development of Hank & Dean goes. They are finally starting to not be ridiculous 16 year olds and are actually growing a little. Granted there's no backstory revelations but developing the titular characters in hilarious ways is not exactly standalone. People watching these last two episodes for the first time without any previous episodes seen would have a much different interpretation than long-time viewers.
- by the Venturer
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I think that with a 22-minute timestamp, instead of trying to cram too much into one episode in terms of combining plot and character development, Doc and Jackson are doing the right thing by developing characters with totally one-off episodes of specific moments in the characters' lives. When the 'main plot' of the series picks back up, it's a richer experience because we know so much more about where the characters are coming from.
They don't have much time, so they zoom in on the important stuff. It might be a little esoteric or confusing, and you might not ever have all the info, but it does a great job keeping my interest.
Can't wait for the next one!
They don't have much time, so they zoom in on the important stuff. It might be a little esoteric or confusing, and you might not ever have all the info, but it does a great job keeping my interest.
Can't wait for the next one!
- by Doctor X
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Everyone is a critic. I find the Moppets generally about as funny as paint drying and I never liked Sgt. Hatred--though he has improved. I do not mind Dermott.
So there you go.
We are becoming Prog-fans where the 30+ year old bands alienate one half the audience if they play the older stuff and the other half when they play the newer stuff.
I am just enjoying the season.
Okay . . . the bits with the Moppets and Dr. Girlfriend are funny.
So there you go.
We are becoming Prog-fans where the 30+ year old bands alienate one half the audience if they play the older stuff and the other half when they play the newer stuff.
I am just enjoying the season.
Okay . . . the bits with the Moppets and Dr. Girlfriend are funny.
- by Eric
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The first time they had the music, the vocals were so very Yes that I assumed it was them. But then I remembered their budget probably isn't huge enough to get the licensing rights, and the second prog piece you could hear the Thirlwell, so yeah, guess that was all J.G.
All this means is that on the next soundtrack release, we'll get J.G. Thirlwell's take on classic prog. Oh hell yeah!
All this means is that on the next soundtrack release, we'll get J.G. Thirlwell's take on classic prog. Oh hell yeah!
- by Col. Aldus Valor
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- by Col. Aldus Valor
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- by Col. Aldus Valor
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- by Gilbert Smith
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He's really just a general purpose military nut, and as we've seen from the deleted stuff of him showing off his Battle Room, not the best at keeping facts straight, so it wouldn't be uncharacteristic for him to mix Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines speak without having any idea which branch he's pretending to be a part of at any given time.
I love Hatred. I know it takes some getting used to not having Brock around to kill guys, but I think that having an emotionally sensitive and not-quite-as-capable bodyguard around really adds a new dynamic. We had Brock for three seasons, and now we'll get to see him do cool spy shit with Sphinx, so I'm all for the development opportunities Hatred's offering Jack and Doc this season.
I love Hatred. I know it takes some getting used to not having Brock around to kill guys, but I think that having an emotionally sensitive and not-quite-as-capable bodyguard around really adds a new dynamic. We had Brock for three seasons, and now we'll get to see him do cool spy shit with Sphinx, so I'm all for the development opportunities Hatred's offering Jack and Doc this season.
- by Creepy Crooner
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There is nothing wrong with the story-heavy, linear plot stuff and I enjoyed season 3 very much! I just agree with Jackson in thinking that this is not really what the show was meant to be initially. At its heart, VB is a comedy show - not a drama, but it has always retained more elements of linear narrative than almost any other animated series. Personally I think that the show has the opposite of balance struggle, balancing lots of backstory and continuity with hilarious one-shots and joke heavy stand-alone outings (much like the best of comics) and while season 3 got a little heavy in regards to series mythology, season 4 has presented a sublime combination thus far.
This show has always been dark (even if some fans refuse to admit it to themselves) and this season is certainly no exception! The darker and more twisted and morally ambiguous the show becomes the more I like it so I am a happy camper so far! I know you can't please everybody but it just seems strange to me that so many "fans" are haters of specific characters or types of episodes. I love every character in the Ventureverse (the ones that are annoying are designed this way intentionally and thus the effect is hilarity) and enjoy the story arc/mythology episodes (or seasons, as the case may be) just as much as the stand-alones for different reasons (even though, as I stated, I don't think they are inherently all that different). Although it is fun to discuss and debate on these here forums, I believe that Dr. X has it all figured out and I'm following his lead and "just enjoying the season" =D
This show has always been dark (even if some fans refuse to admit it to themselves) and this season is certainly no exception! The darker and more twisted and morally ambiguous the show becomes the more I like it so I am a happy camper so far! I know you can't please everybody but it just seems strange to me that so many "fans" are haters of specific characters or types of episodes. I love every character in the Ventureverse (the ones that are annoying are designed this way intentionally and thus the effect is hilarity) and enjoy the story arc/mythology episodes (or seasons, as the case may be) just as much as the stand-alones for different reasons (even though, as I stated, I don't think they are inherently all that different). Although it is fun to discuss and debate on these here forums, I believe that Dr. X has it all figured out and I'm following his lead and "just enjoying the season" =D
- by Marcus
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Out of curiosity, can you go two whole comments without calling out everyone who disagrees on some irrelevant point on the sincerity of their fandom?
It gets tiresome. We all like the show, or we wouldn't be here. We all like different things about the show, or we wouldn't be individuals. Maybe cut back on the snarkiness so that the actual point of your comments isn't overshadowed by the reminder that you're a bit of a dick.
Thanks in advance!
It gets tiresome. We all like the show, or we wouldn't be here. We all like different things about the show, or we wouldn't be individuals. Maybe cut back on the snarkiness so that the actual point of your comments isn't overshadowed by the reminder that you're a bit of a dick.
Thanks in advance!
- by NationofHank
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its a two way street, and funny reading through.
Person 1 "I don't like this episode"
Person 2 "I disagree"
Person 1 "WHy are you such a dick?"
Person 3 "I disagree too."
Persons 1 & 4 "WELL THEN WHY DID YOU COME HERE?! How dare you disagree! Only we are allowed to have different opinions."
Person 1 "I don't like this episode"
Person 2 "I disagree"
Person 1 "WHy are you such a dick?"
Person 3 "I disagree too."
Persons 1 & 4 "WELL THEN WHY DID YOU COME HERE?! How dare you disagree! Only we are allowed to have different opinions."
- by Creepy Crooner
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Alright alright... so I'm a bit of a dick. I can live with that. I'm not really calling anyone out for not being a true fan, and obviously discussion is why we are all here (it would be pretty lame if it was just comment after comment about how we all want to suck Doc/Jackson's balls) it just strikes me as odd that recently a lot of said fans seem to be finding fault in elements that have been there since the beginning. So far no one on this season's boards has left any of the infuriating comments of last year (see Dr. Quymn discussion for details) and I was speaking more generally than calling anyone out in particular (the Dermot comment once again just represents my opinion).
@Nationofhank - spot-on! Best comment yet! It humorously states my point to a tee! =)
@Nationofhank - spot-on! Best comment yet! It humorously states my point to a tee! =)
- by mogo
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This is one of the seiries finest episodes. This episode had me from start to finish. but why don't I just break it down.
1)charicter development
Hank and Dean are actually changeing for once. Hank is starting to resent his family, with rebelling against dr.venture and resenting dean for all the praise he gives him. I sense that this will become a major plot point, as hanks cutting himself off from them all, and dermott will join them as soon as hank learns his origin. Meanwhile we see dr.venture trying to make dean into a super scientest the way his father never tried. He treates dean like his progidey and hank like a demon seed, even hitting him(albeit hilariously) and pinning the whole mess on him when only 1/3 was his fault. the animostiy might just make hank the perfect pawn in whatever comes next. I'e whatever happens with the ORB.
2)the clone back of notre dean
Clone-dean was a compelling charicter. He could of just been another dumb monster but instead we pitted him. he only wanted to be loved! although he was a little bit creepy, we understood why but end the end he got his wish, at a price of course. micheal sinterichelis knocked it out of the park
3)dermott
was funnier than some of you gave him credit. he fit perfectly. while he did was actually smart on the fleeing matter somethimes(burining his identity and fingerprints, not using the car as a getaway car), and the same dumbass he always was(abandoning hank, using the people mover as a getaway car, claming dean got a lucky hit in.). but he still deserved to be in this episode
4)the detective
well he was a little bizzare but it did show what the general public might think of the ventures. and he was acturate:something bad was going down, he was just wrong as to what was going down.
5)the albums
a nice addition and the hank scene at the end was hilarious.
all in all one of the best episodes in the sereis. period. can't wait for next week. toodles!
1)charicter development
Hank and Dean are actually changeing for once. Hank is starting to resent his family, with rebelling against dr.venture and resenting dean for all the praise he gives him. I sense that this will become a major plot point, as hanks cutting himself off from them all, and dermott will join them as soon as hank learns his origin. Meanwhile we see dr.venture trying to make dean into a super scientest the way his father never tried. He treates dean like his progidey and hank like a demon seed, even hitting him(albeit hilariously) and pinning the whole mess on him when only 1/3 was his fault. the animostiy might just make hank the perfect pawn in whatever comes next. I'e whatever happens with the ORB.
2)the clone back of notre dean
Clone-dean was a compelling charicter. He could of just been another dumb monster but instead we pitted him. he only wanted to be loved! although he was a little bit creepy, we understood why but end the end he got his wish, at a price of course. micheal sinterichelis knocked it out of the park
3)dermott
was funnier than some of you gave him credit. he fit perfectly. while he did was actually smart on the fleeing matter somethimes(burining his identity and fingerprints, not using the car as a getaway car), and the same dumbass he always was(abandoning hank, using the people mover as a getaway car, claming dean got a lucky hit in.). but he still deserved to be in this episode
4)the detective
well he was a little bizzare but it did show what the general public might think of the ventures. and he was acturate:something bad was going down, he was just wrong as to what was going down.
5)the albums
a nice addition and the hank scene at the end was hilarious.
all in all one of the best episodes in the sereis. period. can't wait for next week. toodles!
- by Gilbert Smith
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Agreed on all counts.
What I think is interesting is that Rusty is seriously trying to be a good father now. Even being so hard on Hank is more attention than he was giving him two seasons ago, it's just that Rusty decided to start being a dad right around the time Hank starts acting out in Brock's absence. I don't think Rusty loves Hank any less than Dean, but he's obviously being too hard on the ol' Hankinator because he doesn't really understand where Hank's coming from (Hatred, on the other hand, does, and sympathizes with Hank the most (and notice that it's Hatred who stands up for Hank right in the beginning, enforcing the ten minute rule on Dean on Hank's behalf) despite bearing the brunt of Hank's sass, being the step-bodyguard).
What I think is interesting is that Rusty is seriously trying to be a good father now. Even being so hard on Hank is more attention than he was giving him two seasons ago, it's just that Rusty decided to start being a dad right around the time Hank starts acting out in Brock's absence. I don't think Rusty loves Hank any less than Dean, but he's obviously being too hard on the ol' Hankinator because he doesn't really understand where Hank's coming from (Hatred, on the other hand, does, and sympathizes with Hank the most (and notice that it's Hatred who stands up for Hank right in the beginning, enforcing the ten minute rule on Dean on Hank's behalf) despite bearing the brunt of Hank's sass, being the step-bodyguard).
- by mogo
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nice insite. I'll look out for that insite in future discusion. But I think the reason dr.ventures always favored dean is beacuse dean is him:akward around girls, unkowligble about science(except the basics), is put in dangerous situations. So he's always favored dean, although he didn't show it because he just ignores the boys most of the time honestly. Your right he still does love hank, but unlike dean, that love dosen't come to the surface as much. in fact wheras with dean we've seen it come forth at least twice(Are you there god, it's me dean and hate floats.) we've never really seen it come through for hank. He even forgot him in the family that slays togheter stays togheter. But the reason things have escalated is because brocks leaving is a strain on all 3 ventures.(minus JJ because he has nothing to do with this) While deans actually hasn't been strained as much, hank and the doc have. I'll finish this in the next comment.
- by mogo
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Sorry that was a little long so I wanted to split it in half. Anywho, for hank brock was his mentor, idol, best friend and surogate father. Although he bonded with both the boys, just like the doctor(although brock cares about dean far more that dr.venture cares about hank) brock bonded with hank. And just like the other ventures, hank and brock are similar:both love sports, women(in hanks akward waay for him), and action. So when brock left hank lost the pearson he cared about the most, and since he dosen't get why brock quit he blames his dad for it, rebelling more. meanwhile doc misses brock too, although he dosen't show it. Brock was his best friend and confidante, but he treated him porely so he blames himself, the same way he blames himself for dean not being a scientest fast enough. but as per his normal dickery he blames everyone else, and thus cracks down on his least faviorite child. as for hatred, he and hank have actually kinof bonded a little, although not in the brock sense. And just like brock hatred is forced to play refree after seeing how venture is. And I think the tensions just gonna get bigger as the season grows, as future episode title "the better man" indicates, their may be a big fight between the boys. and as I said hank makes a perfect pawn. especially for someone who wants to show his family he's more that they credited him for, as well as destroy the guild and the monarch.... okay it;s phantom limb! as if it wasn't obvious enough
- by Steve
- (unregistered id: A33A860C5D)
Something else that stuck with me, why is it that Dean was walking with his hair sample to the kitchen, and Dermott and Hank popped their head up from the stairwell and looked at him? Why wouldn't they realize that was Dean they just saw?
It was weird that Dean was putting Miracle Gro plant food on the hair sample. That's such a 'kid' thing to do.
I hope Dean doesn't lose his hair. Although the vaguely older mutant Dean was balding, which doesn't bode well for Dean. Hopefully he'll somehow figure out how to reverse his balding and keep a full head of hair just like his grandpa. I'm sure the kid doesn't want to look anything like his dad.
It was weird that Dean was putting Miracle Gro plant food on the hair sample. That's such a 'kid' thing to do.
I hope Dean doesn't lose his hair. Although the vaguely older mutant Dean was balding, which doesn't bode well for Dean. Hopefully he'll somehow figure out how to reverse his balding and keep a full head of hair just like his grandpa. I'm sure the kid doesn't want to look anything like his dad.
- by cpc65
- (unregistered id: 3D0FBFE5CB)
Notice that even though Brock was in the flashback scene in the begining, he had no dialog. Not sure if this has been discussed here before, but I'm guessing Patrick Warburton had other commitments this season so this is how Jackson and Doc are dealing with his limited availability by having him off with SPHINX fighting the good fight (or bad fight) for a least part of the season. Having Sgt. Hatred as the new bodyguard is sort of amusing, but like everyone else, I hope Brock's absence isn't too long.
- by Agent No
- (unregistered id: 3CCC597331)
Actually going back over the seasons, Brock was basically not in 2 episodes last season, Shadowman 9 (non speaking) and Tears of a Sea Cow (non speaking), so assuming he's in the rest from here out maybe its not going to be all that different, although I have a hunch that there will only be brief Brock appearances through 4.1, and then 4.2 will be heavy on what Brock is doing with Hunter. I do thinking back have a hard time believing Warburton wouldn't have time to record in a studio for the show, a friend of mine talked to him once and he said he loved doing Venture Bros.
- by mogo
- (unregistered id: 10821D7DAE)
I doubt it. it's just a story decison, simalar to what they always do to the monarch. only now the boys are changing as a result. that's the reason he's gone. and as for the non-speaking that's because brock was diffrent back then, he had just lost his misson and been given a horrible assignment(I'd love it if I were that strong but hey that's me),. just look at how he is in season 1, he cares nothing for the doc and it shows then only worse. plus whats patrick warburton doing latley anyway? I just looked at it on wikipedia he's doing some crappy zenon animated series, hoodwinked 2(the orignal was really good), 2 movies and rules of engagement. and he was doing the sitcom while he was woriking on season 3. so suck on that.
- by Angsthasepfeffernasecephalic
- (unregistered id: 6E42CBC9F0)
Sgt. Hatred, ex OSI guy, is part of a made up army no? Dermott's probe joke in the last season was pretty good. i like the more psychotic weirdies they throw in than him though. Dermott Sampson Smith brings the show into regular cartooning comedy (i wont mention Mission Hill here cuz it sucks a cup of starbucks dirt water.)
- by mogo
- (unregistered id: 10821D7DAE)
I am incredibly mad. misson hill was an AWESOME show and you are being a douche. the show was great, with good charier. I wouldn't call you douche or use douche at all if you trashed it for good reason but no you had to say it was dirt water. and yes dermott is simialar to other shows but he's also that douche you know who says a bunch of BS and acts like he's the greatst pearson on earth. I know one .oh and jory, thanks for defending misson hill in your own way.
- by Angsthasepfeffernasecephalic
- (unregistered id: 6E42CBC9F0)
i'm your douche you big tender teary eyed vagina.
tell me a funny episode of mission hell and i'll watch it. if its just another sitcom with cartoon people instead of live action (like the few i saw, right up there with Friends), and very little in the way of 'interesting' i'm going ot slap your silly labia til cream of wheat flops out.
shogun warrior plastic or :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEzqP42mjRA
must be JIm Foetus doing the music, no other credits. some funny stuff in the music video.
tell me a funny episode of mission hell and i'll watch it. if its just another sitcom with cartoon people instead of live action (like the few i saw, right up there with Friends), and very little in the way of 'interesting' i'm going ot slap your silly labia til cream of wheat flops out.
shogun warrior plastic or :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEzqP42mjRA
must be JIm Foetus doing the music, no other credits. some funny stuff in the music video.
- by mogo
- (unregistered id: 1E51A1D810)
thank you hardy, you're right. oh and if your curious theres actually an animatic read by the voice cast online. just look up crap gets in your eyes(pretty in pink). on youtube. and as for you name too long to waste time re-writiig, all I did was call you a douche and you called me "big tender teary eyed vagina" and said you were going to quote "i'm going ot slap your silly labia til cream of wheat flops out. ". what the hell is your problem! oh and for your information the episode Happy Birthday Keviin. it's touching and hilarious. and as I said in the previous post I called you douche for good reason.
- by Agent No
- (unregistered id: DD182A4057)
there have been references in the past to the mother definitely being a woman, specifically Midlife Chrysalis when the boys ask about their mom before Rusty leaves in a hurry for his date.
Maybe even from Careers in Science "It started with a moment of passion __ years ago and it will end the same" when Hank & Dean are fighting in the back seat of the X1
Maybe even from Careers in Science "It started with a moment of passion __ years ago and it will end the same" when Hank & Dean are fighting in the back seat of the X1
- by Mike
- (unregistered id: 1810A2A1DF)
- by Doctor X
- (unregistered id: A87B9D4923)
It may be that D and J know the less they answer the more interesting it is--something Lucas and Speilberg never learned. Why does The Monarch hate Dr. Venture? Rewatching my DVDs in anticipation of the new season, I thought from Past Tense perhaps Rusty laughed during one of Malcom's butterfly poems. That would be enough to demand his ETERNAL HATRED AND WRATH [Cue music.--Ed.].
Cool. But I am sure everyone else has their own idea which they feel better. If J and D answer it, it will probably be disappointing to a lot of viewers. I think the same with the identity of their mother. It does not seem to be a secret, as Agent No notes: Rusty is about to tell them about her when he gets distracted.
Cool. But I am sure everyone else has their own idea which they feel better. If J and D answer it, it will probably be disappointing to a lot of viewers. I think the same with the identity of their mother. It does not seem to be a secret, as Agent No notes: Rusty is about to tell them about her when he gets distracted.
- by Hardy
- (unregistered id: FFF530337A)
It's funny. No matter what content Doc and Jackson put into the show people will continue to deny the answer put in front of them. Season 3 Ep. 1 answered the question of what Dr. Mrs. The Monarch said to the Monarch at the end of Season 2; but people still kept asking what she said. Season 2 Ep. 10 provided the obvious answer as to who the boys' mother is; but we as fans still reject the answer.
I know the writers never confirmed that Myra is the mother, but they did everything short of it. It's not their style to black-and-white say it; plus, that's just bad/lazy writing to put something so plainly. I think the writers intend for us to believe that Myra is the mother....and I'm sticking with that until the writers force me to question it again.
I know the writers never confirmed that Myra is the mother, but they did everything short of it. It's not their style to black-and-white say it; plus, that's just bad/lazy writing to put something so plainly. I think the writers intend for us to believe that Myra is the mother....and I'm sticking with that until the writers force me to question it again.
- by mogo
- (unregistered id: 1E51A1D810)
As you can see the last time rusty "did it" was the age the boys would be without clones. and since myra was the first pearson he had sex with... and the evidence in the invisible hand shows her leaving right after the boys were born. as crazy as she was she probably would've killed any other woman carrying dr.ventures child(and the fact that he's a total failure with the ladies) myra is their mother. jackson and doc just don't say it because they have other, more important plot points.
- by cpc65
- (unregistered id: 3D0FBFE5CB)
I'm sure they had their reasons, but I think it would have been cool if they didn't kill off Hunchback Dean so soon. I'm not talking about having him as a new main character, mind you. Just occasionally appearing in a few episodes, maybe with Doc trying to socialize him or something. Then maybe he sacrifices himself to save the non deformed Dean. I mean, we're supposed to believe he's been living unnoticed in the compound all this time with no hint of his existence, and now that he's been revealed, boom, he's dead.
Informative
- by Red Menace
- (unregistered id: A4D2FB9244)
Clip for "Return To Malice" is up
http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/venture-bros-clip-return-to-malice/4120491078
http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/venture-bros-clip-return-to-malice/4120491078
- by Jake
- (unregistered id: 011565EC96)
Im fairly perturbed how Sgt Hatred an exi criminal ex osi. a guy who had a friggin hover tank, hasnt showed to be much more than a common thug, hardly really even worthwhile. Admittedly he is more on docs level of super science but cmon, princess tiny feet should have only joint custody of the hover tank and let him use it on weekends, so they can do some cool jumps. or something... Anything.
Admittedly Im surprised that hatred hasnt had a few run ins with captain sunshine, just saying he seems to be up his alley as an enemy (although he was familiar with commander consumate?)
Admittedly Im surprised that hatred hasnt had a few run ins with captain sunshine, just saying he seems to be up his alley as an enemy (although he was familiar with commander consumate?)
- by Creepy Crooner
- (unregistered id: C0BBF56792)
It seems to be somewhat common knowledge that most professional villains in the Venture universe are little more than common thugs. The Guild frowns upon "extreme" tactics such as murder (as noted in Tears of a Sea Cow among other eps) just as Doc Venture finds his would-be antagonists as more of an annoyance than an honest threat. That's kind of the joke. Hatred fits the mould of Guild villain and bodygaurd better than Brock and the Monarch respectively due to the fact that he is actually relatively harmless and is really just "laying along".
- by Joey Michaels
- (unregistered id: D59C682E33)
- by Sunshine State Freedom Front
- (unregistered id: 77139AE493)
Clint Howard would have been perfect to voice Dean-19!
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADBS&resnum=0&q=clint%20howard&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADBS&resnum=0&q=clint%20howard&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
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