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It's that time of the week again, kids. The Invisible Hand of Fate should now be up on Aduld Swim Video for your viewing pleasure. The episode will also air on that television device in a much higher quality at 11:30pm on Sunday. Talk about the episode in the comments here! As always, there will probably be spoilers so if you don't want to be spoiled then only venture in after you have seen the episode. And happy father's day to any dads out there!
- by Sleepykidd
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- by Phil
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Absolutely beautiful. Nowhere near as laugh-out-loud as the other two this season, but I actually cried during the ending sequence.
Full review coming to www.noisetosignal.org shortishly.
Full review coming to www.noisetosignal.org shortishly.
- by Phil
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- by The Badass Robot
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After watching, it seems to set up things for some mega epic ending by the end of the season. And it hints at the TV series based off of Rusty's adventures, the Origin of Sgt. Hatred, Basically everything about Phantom Limb, Billy's place in all this...spooky stuff.
So Phantom Limb goes from having dinky limbs, then robotic replacements to invisible super limbs, then back to robotic replacements. Kind of like the circle of failure.
"Shore Leave", that cracked me up.
So Phantom Limb goes from having dinky limbs, then robotic replacements to invisible super limbs, then back to robotic replacements. Kind of like the circle of failure.
"Shore Leave", that cracked me up.
- by Phil
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- by Kuiosikle
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- by Mike
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- by Phil
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Wow, that settles it for me, then. How clever, too! I love that these characters are born with names that prefigure their futures...Phantomas, White, Haine...excellent stuff.
Wonder why Small didn't voice the character, though...I hope he's available for other appearances this season as I'd hate to lose him!
Wonder why Small didn't voice the character, though...I hope he's available for other appearances this season as I'd hate to lose him!
- by Sleepykidd
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- by Mr. Za Monarch
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Did no one else but me recognize Steve Summers in the OSI base?
Not only that, but is Billy's fall supposed to be an allusion to Doc Brown from Back to the Future (who was hanging a clock in his bathroom wall, slipped, hit his head, and came up with the idea for the Flux Capacitor)?
Not only that, but is Billy's fall supposed to be an allusion to Doc Brown from Back to the Future (who was hanging a clock in his bathroom wall, slipped, hit his head, and came up with the idea for the Flux Capacitor)?
- by Phil
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- by The Badass Robot
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Now that you mention it, I thought the billboard looked familiar. Excellent oblige reference.
Two references in the O.S.I./G.I. JOE sequence:
[i]General Nguyen Ngoc Loan Executing a Viet Cong Prisoner in Saigon[/i] style execution of Sphinx guard by Duke lookalike and Linndie England lookalike happily standing over naked pile of Sphinx POW's from the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal.
Two references in the O.S.I./G.I. JOE sequence:
[i]General Nguyen Ngoc Loan Executing a Viet Cong Prisoner in Saigon[/i] style execution of Sphinx guard by Duke lookalike and Linndie England lookalike happily standing over naked pile of Sphinx POW's from the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal.
- by cuavsfan
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Wow... I think that was the most backstory we've ever gotten in a single episode!! Random things I noticed that connected to other episodes:
Mike Sorayama ("Past Tense") was a former student of Limb.
Steve Sommers
"R. Impossible" being scraped off of the door.
Dr. Girlfriend as a student?
Limb, Billy, and White backstory (obviously)
Random great stuff:
Billy's (new) eyeball flying out!
Underground quizzing.
Brock / Gathers' cow game.
"Nozzle"
"dramatization"
Limb's poor attempt to hide that he was working with the GoCI by using a fake name with the same initials (Guild of Collegiate Investors).
Also, this seems to be the origin of Brock being assigned to watch Rusty. At the time it looks like it was a punishment. In other eps Brock has been regarded highly by military guys, so my thought is that once the Guild became public he was exonerated but wanted to stay with the Ventures... I'm betting we'll find out more about that eventually though.
I wonder what shirt we'll get... I was thinking an OSI one would be possible, but a Quizboy one seems far more likely...
Mike Sorayama ("Past Tense") was a former student of Limb.
Steve Sommers
"R. Impossible" being scraped off of the door.
Dr. Girlfriend as a student?
Limb, Billy, and White backstory (obviously)
Random great stuff:
Billy's (new) eyeball flying out!
Underground quizzing.
Brock / Gathers' cow game.
"Nozzle"
"dramatization"
Limb's poor attempt to hide that he was working with the GoCI by using a fake name with the same initials (Guild of Collegiate Investors).
Also, this seems to be the origin of Brock being assigned to watch Rusty. At the time it looks like it was a punishment. In other eps Brock has been regarded highly by military guys, so my thought is that once the Guild became public he was exonerated but wanted to stay with the Ventures... I'm betting we'll find out more about that eventually though.
I wonder what shirt we'll get... I was thinking an OSI one would be possible, but a Quizboy one seems far more likely...
- by Amaziah Nazarian
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I loved it! Heres some things i noticed:
1. Phantomos mentioned that billy's hand was a Sorayama design, which was one of rusty's buddies from college that tried to kill him (see Past Tense)
2. It appears that most of all of the Venture clan went to the same college. They were scratching Dr. Impossible's name from the Science Dept. door in one scene. We know that from Ice Station Impossible that Pete and Rusty had Dr. I as a prof in college, and we know that pete, brock, rusty, and underbeiht went to college together. Apparently Dr. Girlfriend went there as well.
3. It's hard to tell but I think that rusty is in the same bar that he went to with Brock in Mid life chrysalis, I also think it is the same jack ass bartender.
4. It looks like Myra was for sure from the OSI. She has the logo on her shoulder when she is being escorted from the compound. If she is the true mother of Dean and Hank is still ambiguous.
5. For all of you that believe that Brock is the true father of Hank, it seems very unlikely now that we see the boys in the compound before Brock started operation Rusty's blanket.
Also was Brock wearing his real college jersey while gathering intel on phantomos? I dont have season one on dvd so i couldn't check.
And lastly my most rediculous observation yet. Did any one think Mr. White's assistant on his show looked like Jollyrancher_82 from Victor. Echo. November? Its her mom, I just know it! (jk)
GO TEAM VENTURE
1. Phantomos mentioned that billy's hand was a Sorayama design, which was one of rusty's buddies from college that tried to kill him (see Past Tense)
2. It appears that most of all of the Venture clan went to the same college. They were scratching Dr. Impossible's name from the Science Dept. door in one scene. We know that from Ice Station Impossible that Pete and Rusty had Dr. I as a prof in college, and we know that pete, brock, rusty, and underbeiht went to college together. Apparently Dr. Girlfriend went there as well.
3. It's hard to tell but I think that rusty is in the same bar that he went to with Brock in Mid life chrysalis, I also think it is the same jack ass bartender.
4. It looks like Myra was for sure from the OSI. She has the logo on her shoulder when she is being escorted from the compound. If she is the true mother of Dean and Hank is still ambiguous.
5. For all of you that believe that Brock is the true father of Hank, it seems very unlikely now that we see the boys in the compound before Brock started operation Rusty's blanket.
Also was Brock wearing his real college jersey while gathering intel on phantomos? I dont have season one on dvd so i couldn't check.
And lastly my most rediculous observation yet. Did any one think Mr. White's assistant on his show looked like Jollyrancher_82 from Victor. Echo. November? Its her mom, I just know it! (jk)
GO TEAM VENTURE
- by Sleepykidd
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- by Mike
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Yeah a lot of stuff ends up being that they just need a character model and they happen to have a bartender model and a girl model. she did have jollyrancher_82's features, though she looked older and saggier.
also Jackson and Doc have both said that Brock has nothing to do with being Hank's father, so anyone clinging to that has issues.
one thing this episode does sort of bring up is what is operation rusty's blanket... it was important enough to put an OSI staff member on Doc after his dad died, so clearly the government (or OSI at the very least) wants Rusty alive for whatever reason
also Jackson and Doc have both said that Brock has nothing to do with being Hank's father, so anyone clinging to that has issues.
one thing this episode does sort of bring up is what is operation rusty's blanket... it was important enough to put an OSI staff member on Doc after his dad died, so clearly the government (or OSI at the very least) wants Rusty alive for whatever reason
- by Sleepykidd
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- by Mike
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The line is
"Not everybody has a trust fund like that insect ex-boyfriend of yours! If you think I'm going to go back to a diet of ramen noodles and spaghetti-o's, driving around in a Honda Accord with a ghost on the hood, sorry. I have plans."
So he doesn't really mention arch-villainy there, just that he was not as well off as the Monarch was. He probably had to do that stuff to get himself through college. Him having a Honda Accord with an inexplicable ghost on the hood is even funnier if he was just a normal guy when he drove it.
"Not everybody has a trust fund like that insect ex-boyfriend of yours! If you think I'm going to go back to a diet of ramen noodles and spaghetti-o's, driving around in a Honda Accord with a ghost on the hood, sorry. I have plans."
So he doesn't really mention arch-villainy there, just that he was not as well off as the Monarch was. He probably had to do that stuff to get himself through college. Him having a Honda Accord with an inexplicable ghost on the hood is even funnier if he was just a normal guy when he drove it.
- by Pirate Hippy
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College professors on the whole don't make a lot of money (especially at a no-name state university) and I'll bet professor Phantomas hadn't been a professor for very long and didn't have tenure, so Phantom Limb might very well have gone through an impoverished period after leaving his university professor career and before he had climbed up the Guild hierarchy.
- by Bryan
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- by Phil
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You know, it's possible that the radioactive materials really WERE provided by The Guild of Collegiate Investors, and it's just a very funny coincidence.
He obviously did have some connection to the Guild of Calamitous Intent, but remember, Bryan, that Brock and Hunter assumed he was a recruiter...not a supervillain. That, I guess, came after the "botched experiment that made him evil."
He obviously did have some connection to the Guild of Calamitous Intent, but remember, Bryan, that Brock and Hunter assumed he was a recruiter...not a supervillain. That, I guess, came after the "botched experiment that made him evil."
- by Bryan
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Yeah, recruiter seems more likely considering his deformed student-base, but I still don't think he would've worked with The Guild of Calamitous Intent at all until he was full-blown evil instead of just highly frustrated.
I like to think that he really was just with The Guild of Collegiate Investors and that Brock and Hunter's meddling resulted in his subsequent supervillainy.
I like to think that he really was just with The Guild of Collegiate Investors and that Brock and Hunter's meddling resulted in his subsequent supervillainy.
- by The Badass Robot
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- by Dandy
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This episode leaves me with a lot of questions about Billy. I'd always assumed that he was a genius, but unsuccessful due to bad luck and maybe a poor personal choices. But after watching this episode, I got the impression that we was only a little smarter than average. Maybe at the same level of intelligence as Rusty.
Did he ever go to college for real? At some point, he became a skilled surgeon(he operated on Dean's balls, gave Jonas Jr a robot hand, and reattached Rusty's severed arm). But this episode makes it look like he's just been bumming around in the trailer with White for the past 20 years.
Did he ever go to college for real? At some point, he became a skilled surgeon(he operated on Dean's balls, gave Jonas Jr a robot hand, and reattached Rusty's severed arm). But this episode makes it look like he's just been bumming around in the trailer with White for the past 20 years.
- by The Badass Robot
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- by Phil
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White probably studied communications with a minor in computing, or perhaps it was the other way around.
20 years is definitely a long enough time for Billy to become a skilled surgeon...especially if that's what they told him he was studying when he "woke up" after having his memory wiped. He could have started working toward it then.
20 years is definitely a long enough time for Billy to become a skilled surgeon...especially if that's what they told him he was studying when he "woke up" after having his memory wiped. He could have started working toward it then.
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- by Pirate Hippy
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As far as we know, professor Phantamos circa 1989 has never met the Monarch, and the Monarch has not met Sheila/Dr. Girlfriend, and these events are after the Monarch has left college and he's just spinning the events in the retelling to stroke his own ego. If his version is "more correct" than other people's versions of this story, that's accidental. He wasn't there and is repeating hearsay.
- by Dandy
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It think it's hardly accidental. While it's true that the Monarch wasn't there at the time, it's likely that Phantom Limb told his henchmen about his origins at some point. So Monarch was in a position to get the story directly from the man involved. Henchmen 21 and 24, on the other hand, probably pieced a story together from things they overheard from the Monarch and Dr. Girlfriend. It makes sense that their version is less accurate. Now Hank obviously didn't know any of the real story, but he may have gotten a vague impression from Brock or Peter White that Billy and Phantom Limb were somehow connected. He just made up a crazy story about the two because hey, he's Hank.
Hmm, I just remembered that 24 was a Shadowman too. Maybe he's more forgetful than the Monarch or just wasn't interested enough to get the story when he had the chance.
Hmm, I just remembered that 24 was a Shadowman too. Maybe he's more forgetful than the Monarch or just wasn't interested enough to get the story when he had the chance.
- by Pirate Hippy
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As you yourself admit, both the Monarch and 24 heard second-hand hearsay, both were just as "well placed"; but the Monarch just happened to hear (and repeat) the version that was closer to the truth. That's what I meant by "accidental" - the Monarch doesn't know the facts any better than anyone else does. He's repeating the version of the story that he happened to hear.
You are also assuming that Phantom Limb would be telling his henchmen his own origin story, which he might not have done. If he wasn't telling, that would have gotten the rumor mill going, thus explaining the multiple origin stories.
You are also assuming that Phantom Limb would be telling his henchmen his own origin story, which he might not have done. If he wasn't telling, that would have gotten the rumor mill going, thus explaining the multiple origin stories.
- by Nik
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anyone notice that the way PL and Shela where talking.. the way that there conversation ended implide that they where talking about something else, but you can almost be sure that they weren't having an affair, or She would have been surpised when PL showed his legs in shadowman 9.
could it be as simple as casual flirting? probably... just thought I'd put it out there, and the comment is already finished, might as well post it
could it be as simple as casual flirting? probably... just thought I'd put it out there, and the comment is already finished, might as well post it
- by Greg
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Yeah. It suggests they weren't quite together at this point (since she hadn't seen the Limb's invisible meat before the flashback in Shadowman 9). It's clear that the events of the flashback in Shadowman 9 take place after this scene from The Invisible Hand of Fate, since by that point Phantom Limb has his invisible body parts.
- by Michael
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Okay, here's a weird question. During the second meeting with Billy, Hunter says that the spy business is all about "cheating," and then calls Billy "Woyczek," or some alteration of it (perhaps "Boyczek"). Maybe this is a little too off the wall, but do you think Jackson and Doc are referencing Herzog's eponymous film? After all, the whole point of the play/film is adultery (AKA "cheating).
- by Pirate Hippy
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I doubt it. He said "boychik" or "boychick" which is Yiddish for boy or young man: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/boychik
- by Pirate Hippy
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Plus, Sheila has to have time to radically change her hair and fashion sense. I also get the distinct impression that Professor Phantomas is just enough of a stickler for following the rules that he wouldn't date Sheila until after she was no longer a student. Plus it would be funny if there really was a Guild of Collegiate Investors, and Brock and Gathers were completely wrong about Professor Phantomas, but their bumbling introduced Billy to Phantomas at just the right moment to accidentally create the supervillain Phantom Limb, who then discovers and joins the Guild of Calamitous Intent, dates Sheila, and introduces her to the Guilt of Calamitous Intent as well.
- by Pirate Hippy
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First, he had cuff links, not a ring; second, unlike Haine, he was displaying them openly, not hiding them, suggesting that he doesn't know their real meaning. If the Guild at that time was hiding from view, its members would not be openly showing signs of their membership. As someone else has mentioned earlier in this thread, if Professor Phantamos was descended from the family of the French supervillain of the same name, and the Guild has been around since 1910, he could very well have inherited the cuff links as family heirlooms without understanding their full meaning and/or without being a paid up member of the Guild at that time.
- by Pirate Hippy
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So question: does Billy retain his memory, or do they eventually wipe his memory and we continue the Venture Brothers series with no change? I would think if Billy retains his memory there are going to be a number of changes in his relationships with White, Rusty, and Brock.
Also, if Venture Industries now owns Conjectural Technologies (The Doctor is Sin) does that mean that Billy and White are going to move their trailer into the Venture compound and start working for Rusty? They worked well together in "Ice Station - Impossible!" so why not? Just a wild thought.
Also, if Venture Industries now owns Conjectural Technologies (The Doctor is Sin) does that mean that Billy and White are going to move their trailer into the Venture compound and start working for Rusty? They worked well together in "Ice Station - Impossible!" so why not? Just a wild thought.
- by Nik
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I think Doc and Jackson like to keep the story moving, for them to just wipe Billy's mind and start over seems unlikely to me.
but I do think that Billy will ether come to accept it... or possibly become a villain?
no... maybe not, but Billy does fit the profile *snicker*
there are like so many ways this could play out. and I have faith that they'll blow our socks off... or leave us high and dry...
but I do think that Billy will ether come to accept it... or possibly become a villain?
no... maybe not, but Billy does fit the profile *snicker*
there are like so many ways this could play out. and I have faith that they'll blow our socks off... or leave us high and dry...
- by MIller Industries
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Jackson said that he wanted to air this episode last season, which means at the time of the episode Dr. Venture might not have bought out Conjectural Technologies. (BTW) Also, they did work well together, but they also only made ranch dressing... so, do they really work THAT well?
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- by cuavsfan
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To add to the Phantom Limb stuff, in Hate Floats he says that the experiment where he got his hands of death power (the experiment in this week's ep) is what turned him evil... I'm not sure exactly how that fits in because Brock and Gatherers were pretty certain he was already a baddie...
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So let me pose these questions:
Do you think Phantom Limb's shrunken limbs will have anything to do with JJ's deformed body?
What if PL turns JJ evil?
Is the Guild of Collegiate Investors probably the cover name for the Guild of Calamitous Intent?
What if Brock and Gathers were right about the Guild and PL, but hatred was covering it up to keep it hush hush?
What if Brock gets renown within the military for exposing the Guild and Sgt. Hatred whilst still working on "Rusty's Blanket"?
Do you think Phantom Limb's shrunken limbs will have anything to do with JJ's deformed body?
What if PL turns JJ evil?
Is the Guild of Collegiate Investors probably the cover name for the Guild of Calamitous Intent?
What if Brock and Gathers were right about the Guild and PL, but hatred was covering it up to keep it hush hush?
What if Brock gets renown within the military for exposing the Guild and Sgt. Hatred whilst still working on "Rusty's Blanket"?
- by The Badass Robot
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- by Ytoabn
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I'm geeking out after reading a comment from Jackson Publick on Todd Alcott's blog:
Nope...but Impossible did have a scene in an earlier draft, in which he was seen packing up his office, having just been fired from the University for dating a student named "Sally," which gave Fantomas the head chair of the science department. One of Fantomas's students had ratted him out. The scene was cut for time and because Colbert was writing his book and was unavailable. At that point we still thought we'd be getting him back later in the season, though.
http://toddalcott.livejournal.com/200405.html#cutid1
Nope...but Impossible did have a scene in an earlier draft, in which he was seen packing up his office, having just been fired from the University for dating a student named "Sally," which gave Fantomas the head chair of the science department. One of Fantomas's students had ratted him out. The scene was cut for time and because Colbert was writing his book and was unavailable. At that point we still thought we'd be getting him back later in the season, though.
http://toddalcott.livejournal.com/200405.html#cutid1
- by Ytoabn
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Apologies for the double post, but after reading Todd Alcott's blog and some comments, I'm worried about an inconsitency.
Fact: Rusty Venture and his father had adventures involving the Guild of Calimtos Intent. We know this much because Father Venture signed a treaty with them and even created the Rusty claus (Are you there God, It's me Dean).
FACT: In the current time frame, with Rusty as an adult, the Guild is considered a myth, only good for childrens story of the Adventures of the Ventures!
So, was the guild real? We're the adventures that the original Venture clan had real, then somehow spun into a children's cartoon? Maybe that's the agreement Venture Sr. made. Maybe he negotiated with the Guild that as long as they implemented some basic rules to protect his family, their very existence would be hidden and written off as a TV show.
Fact: Rusty Venture and his father had adventures involving the Guild of Calimtos Intent. We know this much because Father Venture signed a treaty with them and even created the Rusty claus (Are you there God, It's me Dean).
FACT: In the current time frame, with Rusty as an adult, the Guild is considered a myth, only good for childrens story of the Adventures of the Ventures!
So, was the guild real? We're the adventures that the original Venture clan had real, then somehow spun into a children's cartoon? Maybe that's the agreement Venture Sr. made. Maybe he negotiated with the Guild that as long as they implemented some basic rules to protect his family, their very existence would be hidden and written off as a TV show.
- by Pirate Hippy
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Remember the people in Venture Brothers are all "insiders" - members of the OSI, or of the GCI, or affiliated with one or the other or with various "connected" super scientists, super villains, super heros, etc. What these people know, is not what the general public knows. So it isn't a contradiction for the GCI to be secret, but also for some people (like Rusty) to know of its existence. Probably some time after the OSI discovered/rediscovered the existance of the GCI, the OSI and other law enforement agencies came to a kind of "modus vivendi" with the GCI, as Brock mentions in "The Trial of the Monarch".
- by Pirate Hippy
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Remember also for a long time, FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover denied that the Mafia existed. Just because the OSI circa 1989 officially doesn't believe that the GCI exists, doesn't mean that the GCI doesn't exist, nor does it mean that the OSI is being honest about what it really believes.
- by DeimosMasque
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Remember that when Billy questioned about the Guild both Brock and Gathers got defensive referring to the Rusty Venture Cartoon Show as a "Dramatization of real events."
Though I just realized that this means that there is probably a Johnny Quest cartoon show in the Venture Brothers series.
Though I just realized that this means that there is probably a Johnny Quest cartoon show in the Venture Brothers series.
- by dougslash
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FACT: we know that OSI has been infiltrated (at the very least by Sgt. Haine / Hatred), and that both Brock and Col. Gathers were transferred to separate, low profile posts after their efforts to expose the Guild.
So it's entirely plausible that the Guild is very real, but is making great efforts to keep their existence a secret.
So it's entirely plausible that the Guild is very real, but is making great efforts to keep their existence a secret.
- by Hardy
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Mr. White returns to the Venture Compound after he and Billy separated. But the next time we see Mr. White he looks like he's in a shambles; living in an old trailer. What happened when he returned to the Venture Compound? What happened during the days/weeks that Billy was having his adventure? Do these questions matter? Will they be answered in later episodes?
What do you think?
What do you think?
- by Pirate Hippy
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Present day Pete White: wears a white formal jacket, rides a scooter with a side car.
Flashback Pete White: wearing a white "Quizboy" jacket, rides a scooter without a sidecar.
Basically the scene with White returning to the Venture Compound is present day; the unconscious Billy is most likely inside the sidecar. Pete is there to see Brock about Billy's recovered memory. It's the only 'present day' interruption in what is otherwise all flashback from the time Billy is knocked unconscious until he wakes up after the credits.
Flashback Pete White: wearing a white "Quizboy" jacket, rides a scooter without a sidecar.
Basically the scene with White returning to the Venture Compound is present day; the unconscious Billy is most likely inside the sidecar. Pete is there to see Brock about Billy's recovered memory. It's the only 'present day' interruption in what is otherwise all flashback from the time Billy is knocked unconscious until he wakes up after the credits.
- by Roscoe
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I know I'm Seriously late in the game posting this, but was anybody else annoyed by the Animation in this episode?
Also, I think this Episode is going to be my "State Dinner" Episode for the season, I could take it or leave it. Even though I really enjoyed the Back Stories, inside Jokes, Nods, and random hillarity, The overall Story lacked for me.
Also, I think this Episode is going to be my "State Dinner" Episode for the season, I could take it or leave it. Even though I really enjoyed the Back Stories, inside Jokes, Nods, and random hillarity, The overall Story lacked for me.
- by Dandy
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It wasn't a hilarious episode overall, nor did it contain any kickass action scenes, but I think you go too far in comparing it to State Dinner.
The only weird animation moment I noticed was when Phantom Limb was strapped into his machine. His facial expression seemed a little too bug-eyed. The dialogue didn't sound quite right for him, either.
The only weird animation moment I noticed was when Phantom Limb was strapped into his machine. His facial expression seemed a little too bug-eyed. The dialogue didn't sound quite right for him, either.
- by Roscoe
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Yeah, the Bug-eyed thing is what I'm Talking about.
In the scene at OSI, after the GI Joe parody, Brock is really Overly animated....It almost seemed like a Nickalodeon program or somthing. I also didn't like the revelation that EVERYBODY at OSI aside from Brock seems to be gay:
Gathers, The GI-Joe brigate, We know Sgt. Hain (Hatered) "Bad Touches" young boys. Even the Cameo of Steve Summers in the Background.
It seemed like OSI could change it's name to "America's Fabulous Fighting Force"
I did thuroughly enjoy "The Nozzle" tough; And the Exchange
-White, I just remembered somthing.
-What?
-Everything!
The Fact is, I'm pretty sure I'll be watching State Dinner more often than I will this episode.
In the scene at OSI, after the GI Joe parody, Brock is really Overly animated....It almost seemed like a Nickalodeon program or somthing. I also didn't like the revelation that EVERYBODY at OSI aside from Brock seems to be gay:
Gathers, The GI-Joe brigate, We know Sgt. Hain (Hatered) "Bad Touches" young boys. Even the Cameo of Steve Summers in the Background.
It seemed like OSI could change it's name to "America's Fabulous Fighting Force"
I did thuroughly enjoy "The Nozzle" tough; And the Exchange
-White, I just remembered somthing.
-What?
-Everything!
The Fact is, I'm pretty sure I'll be watching State Dinner more often than I will this episode.
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