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- by N/A
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I'm really glad they made Hank good at something. It is time for Hank and Dean to stop blowing. And Dean got a little nod for fixing helper.
That said, the episode was great but I was really looking forward to a Helper and Dean episode like Doc and Jackson joked about back in Season 1 commentary.
That said, the episode was great but I was really looking forward to a Helper and Dean episode like Doc and Jackson joked about back in Season 1 commentary.
- by cpc65
- by Bill
- (unregistered id: 33CBEB0483)
I don't know what to think of Hank. One the one hand, he's clearly developed the physical skills to be a real adventurer. He was quite tough as The Bat and--as another commented has pointed out--when auditioning for S.P.H.I.N.X. in "Pomp & Circuitry."
I think it's a stretch to call him "competent," though. In this episode, he jumped out of an airplane wearing what he though was a parachute, only to find out that it was a jetpack. Which he crashed, Rocketeer-style, into a coffee plantation! And a lot of his success as The Bat was due to his being wired on caffeine (it was established early on that he has a very low tolerance) and Venturestein's love of Batman.
I guess only time will tell whether Hank has what it takes to be a real crime-fighter/adventurer. From the Adult Swim sneak-peeks, it appears that he may fall in with 21's new S.P.H.I.N.X. organization.
I think it's a stretch to call him "competent," though. In this episode, he jumped out of an airplane wearing what he though was a parachute, only to find out that it was a jetpack. Which he crashed, Rocketeer-style, into a coffee plantation! And a lot of his success as The Bat was due to his being wired on caffeine (it was established early on that he has a very low tolerance) and Venturestein's love of Batman.
I guess only time will tell whether Hank has what it takes to be a real crime-fighter/adventurer. From the Adult Swim sneak-peeks, it appears that he may fall in with 21's new S.P.H.I.N.X. organization.
- by beb
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Exactly. Hank has the individual skills to be a great Boy Adventurer but only under special circumstances can he bring them all together,
You know, Hank's reaction of coffee in some ways resembles the way people with ADD react to stimulants. Feeding their brain with speed actually helps them focus. It sort of makes sense. Hank has always bounced from one thing to another and never paid much attention to what people are saying to him.
You know, Hank's reaction of coffee in some ways resembles the way people with ADD react to stimulants. Feeding their brain with speed actually helps them focus. It sort of makes sense. Hank has always bounced from one thing to another and never paid much attention to what people are saying to him.
- by AldusValor
Weird! I saw that character as more of a Leo Ryan busy-body type who was honestly trying to help but didn't realizing how much danger they were in...
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/jonestown1.html
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/jonestown1.html
- by cpc65
- by AldusValor
Always suspected Doc and Jackson might be MSTies. :) Shared themes of failed scientists and their suicidal minions, ontology, and names like "Brock Samson" (SO "Space Mutiny"!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHlJ2voJHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHlJ2voJHY
This one was ok. I guess after last week's home run, anything would look a bit weak by comparison. That's not to say this is a bad episode- not at all. It's just not as good as I thought it'd be. The congresswoman thing felt really forced, as well as the returning Helper to his original body. I did like Hank as The Bat, with his jungle-made attire. He's really growing into a fine leader. I also liked most of the mutants/lab made creatures, but not the cheetah guy. Venturestein's new voice didn't do anything for me. I think my favorite line was Rusty telling Dean to tell Ted he'll call him back in a few days. That was a great callback.
- by Mike
- by Bill
- (unregistered id: 33CBEB0483)
I thought the cheetah guy sounded like other characters voiced by Jackson, too. I would love it if the guys had the budget to hire other voice actors for small-ish parts like that one. In a strange way, though, the similar voices connects the show to the Saturday morning cartoons it satirizes. The cartoons I grew up on were all voiced by some combination of, like, five guys!
The situation has improved somewhat, but the cartoons my son watches (e.g., "Teen Titans, "The Legion of Superheroes, "Ben 10: Ultimate Alien," etc.) have characters that sound remarkably similar. He's starting to ask why Cyborg from one show sounds like Manny from another.
Anyway, this is a wordy way to say that I try to content myself with the thought that voice problems connect "The Venture Bros." to "real" action-adventure shows.
The situation has improved somewhat, but the cartoons my son watches (e.g., "Teen Titans, "The Legion of Superheroes, "Ben 10: Ultimate Alien," etc.) have characters that sound remarkably similar. He's starting to ask why Cyborg from one show sounds like Manny from another.
Anyway, this is a wordy way to say that I try to content myself with the thought that voice problems connect "The Venture Bros." to "real" action-adventure shows.
- by Ustio Merc.
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Great reference with the dog's head and the two scientists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiments_in_the_Revival_of_Organisms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_S._Bryukhonenko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiments_in_the_Revival_of_Organisms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_S._Bryukhonenko
- by Mike
- by beb
- (unregistered id: A678E20E7F)
I'm clearly in the minority here in that I thought that last weeks hour-long opener was weak. Maybe a 7 out of ten. Not enough story, and certainly no changes to the characters -- that they remember. Venture Libre was exactly what I was looking for. Unexpected twists, sharp jokes, rapid pace. This was a much better episode that Cleansuit. But that's just my opinion.
It was fun watching Hank in his coffee-induced psychosis become "The Bat" but more than that, had the actual chops needed to rescue his father and Hatred. Compared to what the boys were like back in the first season, there has been a lot of growth.
It was interesting to see Hatred seriously consider joining the Isle of Monsters because he's a monster in so many ways as well. I know that guys like Hatred too much to write him out of the series but I can see him having a psychotic break and the Ventures needed yet another bodyguard. Right aout the time 21 needs a better job....
But the part I think everyone is overlooking is Dean small storyline. Fixing HELPer is no small accomplishment. His father didn't try, he just put HELPer's head on the Walking Orbs' body. Was it because he was lazy or because there were no spare parts and HELPer's body would have to be built from scratch? In fixing HELPer Dean showed a lot more savvy than his father and a lot more commitment to finishing a project once started. Combine this with last week's Dean story where he won the affection of the fair Thalia through a series of physical challenges. Dean loudly and profusely refuses to be a Boy Adventure like his dad but is showing a natural talent for it that Hank, frankly, lacks.
It was fun watching Hank in his coffee-induced psychosis become "The Bat" but more than that, had the actual chops needed to rescue his father and Hatred. Compared to what the boys were like back in the first season, there has been a lot of growth.
It was interesting to see Hatred seriously consider joining the Isle of Monsters because he's a monster in so many ways as well. I know that guys like Hatred too much to write him out of the series but I can see him having a psychotic break and the Ventures needed yet another bodyguard. Right aout the time 21 needs a better job....
But the part I think everyone is overlooking is Dean small storyline. Fixing HELPer is no small accomplishment. His father didn't try, he just put HELPer's head on the Walking Orbs' body. Was it because he was lazy or because there were no spare parts and HELPer's body would have to be built from scratch? In fixing HELPer Dean showed a lot more savvy than his father and a lot more commitment to finishing a project once started. Combine this with last week's Dean story where he won the affection of the fair Thalia through a series of physical challenges. Dean loudly and profusely refuses to be a Boy Adventure like his dad but is showing a natural talent for it that Hank, frankly, lacks.
On re-watch, I got a better look at some of the backgrounds. The storage room that Dean goes into contains everything you'd ever need to re-build a H.E.L.P.eR.: blueprints, extra bodies, extra heads, wheel assemblies, etc. It also contains parts to re-build a walking eye. The implication is that Doc made a conscious choice to put H.E.L.P.eR.'s head onto a walking eye (i.e., made a conscious choice to turn him into a killing machine). Dean understood H.E.L.P.eR.'s misery at being stuck on a walking eye and returned him to normal. I thought it was a great storyline, and I'm actually glad to see the return of original-vintage H.E.L.P.eR.
More H. G. Wells refs. I laughed at the Oompa Loompa/Man Thing commando, Groovy the pill hippie recall, human centipede liberation, & jungle "haven for bad scientists". Laugh riot!
Hatred is going to be someones mother eventually with all that estrogen. Drinking from plastic bottles will do that to ya.
Hatred is going to be someones mother eventually with all that estrogen. Drinking from plastic bottles will do that to ya.
- by Phil
My review of Venture Libre: http://noiselesschatter.com/2013/06/10/review-venture-libre-the-venture-bros-season-5-episode-2/
Hope you like long meditations on passive character development, because that's what this turned out to be.
Hope you like long meditations on passive character development, because that's what this turned out to be.
- by beb
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I don't knoiw, I thought blowing up the Congresswoman was one of the best punchlines in the whole episode. The dynamics of theater demands that someone be holding the jPad when it finally explodes and what could be more appropriate than a truly obnoxious character. Remember this story was written in the middle of the 2012 election cycle when campaigns were really getting annoying. And Doc's "I can fix that" (a call-back to Wredck-it Ralph?) takes the sting out of the situation. I see it as pure comedy gold.
On the other hand it does reveal a problem Jackson and Doc have in written women characters. The congresswoman was obnoxious, Dermott's grandmother is a hag and a harridan. The mother of astronaut Bud Manstrong is a harridan, as is the bodyguard of Dr. Quymn. Princess Tinyfeet and Triana's mother broke their marriage vows, the boy's mother is insane... The question becomes have they ever written a woman character in the show (aside from Dr. Girlfriend) who wasn't psycho?
On the other hand it does reveal a problem Jackson and Doc have in written women characters. The congresswoman was obnoxious, Dermott's grandmother is a hag and a harridan. The mother of astronaut Bud Manstrong is a harridan, as is the bodyguard of Dr. Quymn. Princess Tinyfeet and Triana's mother broke their marriage vows, the boy's mother is insane... The question becomes have they ever written a woman character in the show (aside from Dr. Girlfriend) who wasn't psycho?
- by Mike
To be fair, a large percentage of the male characters in the show are also completely awful in some way or another. A main (but sort of secret) premise of the show is that it's this strange nearly motherless world where everyone just runs crazy.
Also Dermott's grandmother is perhaps one of the most noble in the entire series. The sacrifice she made in her own life to cover up Doc's completely selfish, horrible error and to support her own daughter is not something to be shrugged off. She's got her shortcomings, but I don't really think it's fair to say she's angry or bossy when the only time she has expressed those emotions has been in regard to things she has every right to be upset about.
Also Dermott's grandmother is perhaps one of the most noble in the entire series. The sacrifice she made in her own life to cover up Doc's completely selfish, horrible error and to support her own daughter is not something to be shrugged off. She's got her shortcomings, but I don't really think it's fair to say she's angry or bossy when the only time she has expressed those emotions has been in regard to things she has every right to be upset about.
- by Phil
- by Phil
- by Jory
- (unregistered id: 2EE76A7550)
Personally I thought blowing her up was pretty fucking tacky, not just because it's probably still "too soon" regarding Gabrielle Giffords but because of the pointless contempt it showed for the character. I'm saying this as the opposite of a Republican, but simply as a person who has a lot of empathy for other human beings.
I, too, am bummed that they introduced a new female character (voiced by Gillian Jacobs!) only for her to immediately blown up, which feels like a pattern this show has acted out before. Maybe the lovable, Venturesteined version of her will return at some point?
I, too, am bummed that they introduced a new female character (voiced by Gillian Jacobs!) only for her to immediately blown up, which feels like a pattern this show has acted out before. Maybe the lovable, Venturesteined version of her will return at some point?
- by Bill
- (unregistered id: 33CBEB0483)
"I thought blowing her up was pretty fucking tacky, . . ."
I agree. And like you, my politics are considerably to the left of the Republican party.
My problem with the character is that she wasn't nearly mean enough. Early on, she voiced some animus toward undocumented workers, but soon redeemed herself by confronting General Manhowers about mistreating one of her constituents. She even flew to Central America to rescue that constituent, without any knowledge of his political leanings. A real congressional candidate, regardless of party, would be too busy begging for money by telephone to undertake a diplomatic/rescue mission.
I think Jackson mistakenly assumed that viewers would (a) know about Michele Bachmann's controversial positions and statements, and (b) transfer them to the character in "Venture Libre."
I agree. And like you, my politics are considerably to the left of the Republican party.
My problem with the character is that she wasn't nearly mean enough. Early on, she voiced some animus toward undocumented workers, but soon redeemed herself by confronting General Manhowers about mistreating one of her constituents. She even flew to Central America to rescue that constituent, without any knowledge of his political leanings. A real congressional candidate, regardless of party, would be too busy begging for money by telephone to undertake a diplomatic/rescue mission.
I think Jackson mistakenly assumed that viewers would (a) know about Michele Bachmann's controversial positions and statements, and (b) transfer them to the character in "Venture Libre."
Hank has become something different, a 20 something year old in a 17 year old's body. He is older than Dermott. So is Dean. But back to Hank, that dude kicks ass and why not, he has seen allot and possibly learned from his "deaths". I hope he gets together with his brother's mom. lol
Dean is trying to rebel but isn't fully committed. Dean needs that cherry popped or continue down the "Rusty Venture" highway....
Dean is trying to rebel but isn't fully committed. Dean needs that cherry popped or continue down the "Rusty Venture" highway....
- by cpc65
Don't forget that in Viva Los Muertos one of the tanks shattered and a clone slug spilled out onto the floor, which Venturestein was sliding around on. Doc must of reanimated it as well. He needed all the bodies he could get seeing Brock wouldn't pull the plug on the other clones.
- by cpc65
- by Cheb Ghobbi
- (unregistered id: 94501AB128)
The obvious implication was that the shot given in this flashback caused his 'dirty little weakness'...or at least the reduction in empathy it caused diminished his willpower to the point where he had no qualms about acting upon it. And where's your evidence that Treister's son was that age while Hatred was in the GCI? Hatred joined the Guild around the time the Venture Bros were born, at least officially.We've no timeframe that we can really place today's flashback in.
First, there is no evidence saying if Sgt. Hatred was in the Guild when Treister's son was that age. I think the timeline would work out for that being his son. In "The Invisible Hand of Fate", Hatred joins the Guild when Hank and Dean are babies. Treister's son is older than the boys, so he would be around the age he was in the flashback sometime before Hatred joined the Guild. Also, in the flashback, they were injecting him with something in a syringe labeled "Soldier-X". I'm guessing that was a performance enhancer that was supposed to make him into a super soldier or something like that, but it had a side effect of making him a pedophile. What you were thinking of was the "NOMOLESTOL" that the OSI gave him when he left the Guild and went back to the OSI in "Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel". It was also shown in "Self Medication". You can tell that the flashback was not after Brock quit, as you claimed, because Hatred didn't have his H tattoo on his face and Treister didn't have his eyepatch yet.
To summarize, I think that was Treister's son in the flashback.
To summarize, I think that was Treister's son in the flashback.
- by Cheb Ghobbi
- (unregistered id: 94501AB128)
I took a look at M-LC, and Treister's son has a downward pointing nose, whereas the kd's pointed upwards, which would suggest to me different characters...BUT their glasses had identical frames, thick and flat at the top with little or no frame at the rounded bottoms. So make of that what you will. About the character, I mean, not that I have too much time on my hands.
- by cpc65
- by Captain V Bro.
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They explained that Sgt. Hatred was literally given a shot that turned hin into a pedo, so people can now feel bad for him, or have some form of empathy foor the poor bastard.
I thought that was the biggest reveal of the episode by far.
That.. and walking eye Helper can kill whales and giant squids with ease.
I thought that was the biggest reveal of the episode by far.
That.. and walking eye Helper can kill whales and giant squids with ease.
- by cpc65
- by Mike
Yeah, after getting some insight into why he's so fucked up and even giving him a little humanity last season, this season he's been back to being a pretty huge asshole again. So far.
Dean seems to be on his way to breaking the cycle though, based on this episode. Hank not so much, but Hank is Hank.
Dean seems to be on his way to breaking the cycle though, based on this episode. Hank not so much, but Hank is Hank.
Great episode, loved the Bat and deans growth arc. It seems that regardless of dean's wishes his aptitudes may indeed lie in super science, but at least he shows more compassion than Dr. V.
Who is the illegal gardener, Dr Morpheus or S.P.H.I.N.X. Commander?
OOmPa-LOOPa-DOOMPa-DooP-IDEE-DOO?
Human centipede, now that is truly hurt science Venturestein!
SO that what happens when a Captain America experiment F*cKs up.
And finally the Hank mobile!!
Who is the illegal gardener, Dr Morpheus or S.P.H.I.N.X. Commander?
OOmPa-LOOPa-DOOMPa-DooP-IDEE-DOO?
Human centipede, now that is truly hurt science Venturestein!
SO that what happens when a Captain America experiment F*cKs up.
And finally the Hank mobile!!
- by Phil
HELPER coming down the rescue route from Colorado? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_285
Those V bros. when they apply themselves are very able to make things happen. They just have very little common sense.
Hatred, being able to build all kinds of war gimcrackery goof kill devices (which Monarch stole at one point) can't come up with a good plan to keep himself from getting tortured, prisoned, or maimed. Why doesn't he rename himself Sgt F Troop Fuckup?
Those V bros. when they apply themselves are very able to make things happen. They just have very little common sense.
Hatred, being able to build all kinds of war gimcrackery goof kill devices (which Monarch stole at one point) can't come up with a good plan to keep himself from getting tortured, prisoned, or maimed. Why doesn't he rename himself Sgt F Troop Fuckup?
- by Cheb Ghobbi
- (unregistered id: 8A956CCA4E)
Credit where it's due, his job is to guard Rusty with his life. He seems to take torture, bullets, darts, claws whatever for the guy every week. Have we seen Rusty get so much as a scratch? He lost an arm and a kidney and had an eye pop out its socket when Brock was bodyguard...
- by Captain V Bro.
- (unregistered id: 00348E1C53)
This episode is in fact production #501, but it stills bugs me that it says 2012 at the end of the credits.
They could have easily made it say copyright 2013, knowing damn well this season wasn't going to air until winter 2013 at the earliest.
And it ended up being June 2013, lol!
They could have easily made it say copyright 2013, knowing damn well this season wasn't going to air until winter 2013 at the earliest.
And it ended up being June 2013, lol!
- by Mecha-Shiva
- by Cheeky
- (unregistered id: 3C3F558AFD)
The boy Hatred attacks is the son of no other than General Treister. We see General Treister's son in the episode where Brock needs to retake his agent's exam, as he is giving the exam. During the scene where Hatred attacks the boy, it's Bring your son to work day. This boy stands beside General Treister. Also, he has the same thick brunette hair and glasses as his older counterpart.
http://venturefans.org/w/images/thumb/a/ae/Treister%27s_son.png/200px-Treister%27s_son.png
http://venturefans.org/w/images/thumb/a/ae/Treister%27s_son.png/200px-Treister%27s_son.png
- by Bill
- (unregistered id: 33CBEB0483)
You know, this episode gets better with repeated viewings. I'm not crazy about the whole Senator Backwood storyline, and Venturestein's exposition was far, far too long. The rest of the episode is pretty solid, though.
It was great to see the Ventures in action again, and I though Hank's brief stint as The Bat was hilarious and fun. I even liked the cheetah guy stuff (e.g., his marking of the temple wall, his "Dammit!" at not being able to climb the tree, etc.). And I'm glad to see the return of H.E.L.P.eR. to his original form, despite the effect it will have on Shallow Gravy's sound.
Despite a few missteps, it's a good episode. That's two-for-two this season. I'm really looking forward to this week's exploration of Gary's S.P.H.I.N.X.
It was great to see the Ventures in action again, and I though Hank's brief stint as The Bat was hilarious and fun. I even liked the cheetah guy stuff (e.g., his marking of the temple wall, his "Dammit!" at not being able to climb the tree, etc.). And I'm glad to see the return of H.E.L.P.eR. to his original form, despite the effect it will have on Shallow Gravy's sound.
Despite a few missteps, it's a good episode. That's two-for-two this season. I'm really looking forward to this week's exploration of Gary's S.P.H.I.N.X.
- by Finn
- (unregistered id: 00348E1C53)
I actually thought this was one of the worst Venture Bros. episodes I've ever seen.
It was just too wacky and felt like a goofy FOX cartoon.
Honestly it felt like an episode of "the Tick' or something.
Probably a little late to get this surreal again.. this was more like a season two episode... but in season five.
Jackson should put this one away with "State Dinner" on his bad episode list.
I'd say it was a 7/10 at the absolute most.
It was just too wacky and felt like a goofy FOX cartoon.
Honestly it felt like an episode of "the Tick' or something.
Probably a little late to get this surreal again.. this was more like a season two episode... but in season five.
Jackson should put this one away with "State Dinner" on his bad episode list.
I'd say it was a 7/10 at the absolute most.
- by Cheb G
- (unregistered id: 8A956CCA4E)
'State Dinner' is the one episode ever that I dislike, and that was mainly because for some reason here in the UK it was the only episode that got shown for a few weeks, right when I was starting out with my VB addiction...But I loved this one. I liked that we got to see our heroes adventuring; we don't see it as much as I'd like. The last Johnny Quest-style adventure they had that springs immediately to mind was 'Dr Quymn'. That is was like a Season 2 episode was one of the things that I loved about it (and I LOVE Season 4, so it's not like I feel the show has got worse since then).
- by cpc65
Does anyone else feel that the Hatred flashback with the Soldier X injection thing was kind of a cop-out? Doc and JP must know that some fans have issues with the man's past and are uncomfortable with Courtney being a main character now, so they're trying to engender sympathy towards him by showing that the pedo thing wasn't his fault.
Overall, I like the big lug myself but I too have had some reservations about the pedo thing. Although never a victim myself, I knew a girl who had been, and I'm sure I can't begin to even imagine what she has been through and how that will effect her for the rest of her life, so I just don't feel that it is an appropriate subject for humor. That's just my personal feeling. Not trying to preach.
I respect the fact that Hatred does seem to genuinely want to change and overcome his compulsions, and takes his job as Venture bodyguard very seriously, and seems willing to lay down his life to protect them. "Cheetah-Man is like crazy fast! What was I thinking?" But I still feel this was a bit of a cop-out excuse. They should have left it as is and have him be able to put it behind him, with or without the OSI's help.
Overall, I like the big lug myself but I too have had some reservations about the pedo thing. Although never a victim myself, I knew a girl who had been, and I'm sure I can't begin to even imagine what she has been through and how that will effect her for the rest of her life, so I just don't feel that it is an appropriate subject for humor. That's just my personal feeling. Not trying to preach.
I respect the fact that Hatred does seem to genuinely want to change and overcome his compulsions, and takes his job as Venture bodyguard very seriously, and seems willing to lay down his life to protect them. "Cheetah-Man is like crazy fast! What was I thinking?" But I still feel this was a bit of a cop-out excuse. They should have left it as is and have him be able to put it behind him, with or without the OSI's help.
"I still feel this was a bit of a cop-out excuse."
I agree. But as a cop-out, it's remarkably consistent with the themes/tone of the show. In an early interview, Jackson explained that real-life boy adventurers wouldn't "drop barrels on the frogmen" but would instead "get their throats cut." I think that sums up "The Venture Bros." nicely: it takes the adventurers, heroes, and villains we loved as kids and places them in the real world. Sgt. Hatred is no doubt a product of that approach. In the real world, two boys being dragged around the globe by their super-scientist father would run into at least one "bad-touch guy."
Placing the Captain America super-soldier experiment in the real world, one would expect some pretty terrible results. And that's what we see in flashback in "Venture Libre." So again, it was a cop-out, but it was one that remains true to the approach taken by Jackson and Doc from the beginning.
"I just don't feel that it is an appropriate subject for humor."
I agree, and I don't think we're alone in feeling so. Jackson and Doc have toned things down a bit, but if Hatred is going to remain a part of the show, I wish they'd just drop the subject. If "Friday Night Lights" could just act like a six-episode story about a sensational murder never happened, the guys can drop the Hatred-as-pedophile storyline!
I agree. But as a cop-out, it's remarkably consistent with the themes/tone of the show. In an early interview, Jackson explained that real-life boy adventurers wouldn't "drop barrels on the frogmen" but would instead "get their throats cut." I think that sums up "The Venture Bros." nicely: it takes the adventurers, heroes, and villains we loved as kids and places them in the real world. Sgt. Hatred is no doubt a product of that approach. In the real world, two boys being dragged around the globe by their super-scientist father would run into at least one "bad-touch guy."
Placing the Captain America super-soldier experiment in the real world, one would expect some pretty terrible results. And that's what we see in flashback in "Venture Libre." So again, it was a cop-out, but it was one that remains true to the approach taken by Jackson and Doc from the beginning.
"I just don't feel that it is an appropriate subject for humor."
I agree, and I don't think we're alone in feeling so. Jackson and Doc have toned things down a bit, but if Hatred is going to remain a part of the show, I wish they'd just drop the subject. If "Friday Night Lights" could just act like a six-episode story about a sensational murder never happened, the guys can drop the Hatred-as-pedophile storyline!
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