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From The Ladle To The Grave Discussion
Welcome, friends! As is custom with a new Venture Bros. episode comes a new discussion thread. This one is going up a little early thanks to the Venture Bros. marathon preceding the new 11-minute special "From the Ladle to the Grave: The Story of Shallow Gravy". Use the comments of this post to talk about the episode (or episodes) or just the show in general. For people who haven't seen the episode yet note that the comments will contain spoilers so if you don't enjoy that sort of thing then wait until you've seen it to start reading. Enjoy the episode!
  • by Hayes
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It might be worth mentioning the history of the Eight Ball jacket in the capsule. I had no idea there was more to it than a reference in a Seinfeld episode, but there is quite a bit of history there.
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Aug. 28, 2011, 9:55pm
  • by mikeybot
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Favorite parts, White's Kraftwerk comment and Rusty's realization.

The video was great, I actually couldn't figure out all of the references(and I used to watch a LOT of MTV)
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:14am
  • by EggJosh
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That was pretty entertaining! "Wait, Ficktel? And he's 17... This interview is over!" Oh, Rusty... :)

And looks like 21/Gary is stickin with SPHINX :)

Don't wanna wait forever until next season! >_
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:15am
  • by The Mysterious H
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Well, he's calling himself 'Viceroy' and that's what the credits called him, so I'm not 100% sure yet. Plus, his info thing said he's unaffiliated or something like that.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:19am
  • by Dylan
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Also was his alias when writing to Deany V.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:44am
  • by The Mysterious H
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Yep, and in Powerless In The Face Of Death.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 1:47am
  • by 8bitOcarina
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I think 21 is now just living in SPHINX HQ and I assume that everyone that was in SPHINX has rejoined OSI so its just him in there... alone... and possibly crazier than before.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:22am
  • by The Mysterious H
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Animation was kinda sucky, like pilot-quality, but the story more than made up for it. HELPeR stole the interview segments and Dean stole the music video. The music video is, without a doubt, the best part. So much awesomeness, I'm glad adult swim is rerunning it this week so that I can catch everything I missed the first time.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:17am
  • by James Mandible
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I thought the animation looked fine, didn't seem any different from season 4 to me?
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:31am
  • by Bill
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It looked fine to me too, but I watched on a crappy TV. I may notice when I re-watch in HD when I get the chance.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 6:06am
  • by B Fett
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This was probably because it was animated by Titmouse and not World Leaders/Noodlesoup. When I watched I thought some of the drawing looked like season 1 drawings but with a better animation budget, especially in some of the shots with Rusty. What was really weird though was to see a fully purple-haired Triana (in the Christmas party lol)
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Aug. 29, 2011, 4:11pm
  • by James Mandible
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On a re-watch (on the computer instead of my TV) I see what everyone's talking about, I don't think it looked bad, but it was different.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 2:25am
  • by Hardy
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The animation definitely looked different. I think this was animated in house. I'm sooooo glad the next seasons are still being sent to Korea for animation, this in-house animations is definitely a cartoony step down in quality. Looks OK for a music video special though.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 8:49am
  • by Robert
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Loved it. Great to see the story move forward there at the end: definitely sets up some interesting plots for season 5. And I thought the writing was great. It's little things, like Brock and Shoreleave doing some random mission that really sell the world so well.

I tend to agree about the animation being not the best but I think it was mentioned that this was in Flash and that season 5 will look as the regular seasons always have.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:31am
  • by 420dude
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It was okay overall, but the animation was god-awful. Please Titmouse just go away forever! If you honestly didn't notice how rubbery the animation was and that it looked like flash in some parts than god help you... Overall I gave it a three.
Some of the voices seemed off as well, oh well this is only the third crappy episode ever, thats still pretty dang good.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 3:03am
  • by Hughesta
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I seriously don't know what you guys are complaining about. It wasn't crappy animation, it was a different style of animation. And it looked gorgeous.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 6:59am
  • by Victor Von Broom
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AH-Greed! Loved the animation on this one. It was super fluid. Indeed it was a bit cartoony but I think it was perfect for a one-off like this one.

I hope we see Jonas's battle van show up somewhere in season 5. Plus, this is like the most attention helper's had in a while and it was great. I know it will be a while but if this is any indicator, season 5 is going to be well worth the wait!
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Aug. 29, 2011, 11:57am
  • by pernicious steed
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whats with the extra jackets in the capsule? Are they part of the other versions? I must know! Count me in the "animation was fine" group. I mean how can you complain about bonus venture? Though i do miss that big H on hatred's face. Dean absolutely stole the show in that video. Looks like he's embracing his effeminacy.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 1:11pm
The lyrics on the capsule page are from the version of the song on the EP, which should be the same as the one in the music video (though maybe the cut it for time when it aired? I didn't really pay attention to the video since I'd seen it so many times). Either way there are just a lot of jackets in that song!
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Aug. 29, 2011, 2:14pm
  • by Thatguy
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Have to say I miss the H tattoo as well, although the V looks better here then in P.R.O.M.
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Sep. 13, 2011, 5:21am
  • by Donkiku
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This was an awesome episode. The music video was the best part of course.

The animation was not as good as it usually is but this is understandable. I mean it's a short done in-house. People that didn't notice the weird frames or poor animation probably weren't paying much attention to that sort of thing.

Anyways, I loved the episode AND will watch it again and again and again. I've already watched the music video a bunch of times.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 4:32pm
  • by Donkiku
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Something I enjoyed was that ... and I don't really know how to explain this in English... a lot of the drawings looked like they were drawn by Jackson himself. Like, I don't know. The extremes, Hank's face, Brock's face...The lines. I dunno.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 4:39pm
  • by Jory
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I'm wondering who drew the lovely stills from the Polaroids, some of them are really phenomenal. Perhaps Jackson himself?
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Aug. 30, 2011, 12:28am
Those were all drawn by a fellow named Dave Johnson: http://devilpig.deviantart.com/
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Aug. 30, 2011, 5:09pm
  • by Jory
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Thanks a lot, Mike! I was way off.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 1:17am
  • by 420 dude
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I agree with the above post...
Keep in mind I'm a huge Venture fan and at the very least this was a new kind of failure for the show, and that's what it's all about right, learning through failure and growing.
Still 95% of all episodes are gold, what we have here is a special that was a commercial for a two minute music video (which was so freaking awesome it totally overshadowed the episode!) for 'Jacket" which should have been longer!
Honestly the animation bugged me the most made it really feel like an ATHF or another Superjail season 2 throw away episode.
Oh well hopefully Titmouse Studios will close down as well, KOREA FOREVER screw flash. I'm in love with this show, I will not allow Titmouse to destroy it!!!!!!!!
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Aug. 29, 2011, 4:50pm
  • by 420dude
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Sorry for all the posts, I just wanted to quickly mention that the 'Jacket' Ep is about one minute longer than the music video, and the other versions get even longer.
The music vid was only two mins, I hope that helps with all the confusion.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 4:54pm
  • by 420 dude
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Forgot to mention that Doc Hammer was animated into the yearbook scene, did you catch it, Erics real last name isn't Hammer??!!?? Or is it??? Just look for yourself at his name below his picture in the quick yearbook shot.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 4:58pm
Hammer is his actual surname
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Aug. 29, 2011, 5:46pm
  • by 420dude
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Right on, I looked that up after I wrote that comment.
Anyway the special was still the best thing on TV this month!!
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Aug. 29, 2011, 6:10pm
  • by Hunter
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Also Jackson was in the year book in the row above doc. But he's less noticablr considering that he's not a half albino dracula like Doc.
Overall it was good to see the boys back on tv.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 6:28pm
  • by Togusa
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Really? I'm surprised so many people here are complaining about the animation. Flash is simply a whole different ball game than traditional animation, and with that in mind I thought the special looked great!
I think Titmouse does a really good job at what they do. It seemed that the characters were drawn with a lot of love, and while they might not have moved as much as they usually do, their quirks and personalities were conveyed, and I never felt like it wasn't a "true" Venture Bros. episode at any moment.
I mean, I'm a fan of traditional, hand drawn animation, just like anyone else, but it's never sat too comfortably with me that America consistently has to outsource cartoon labor to Korea.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 7:58pm
  • by Mogo
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I'm a bit late commenting but I loved this episode and have watched it 3 times. Also I hope Dean makes the suit his default outfit for season 5, whenever that is.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 10:58pm
  • by Emess
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The Monarch did admit to blowing up his own car, didn't he?
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Aug. 30, 2011, 12:43am
  • by Shadylane
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That's what I thought upon rewatching it, it seemed like a little throwaway comment the first time, but I wonder if that was what it was intended to be? OH GOD THESE HIDDEN LITTLE POSSIBLE HINTS DRIVE ME MAD.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 3:30am
  • by The Mysterious H
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Jackson and Doc like messing with us, plain and simple. It may true and become a big thing in Season 5, or it could be nothing and never come up again.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 4:06am
  • by Emess
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The Monarch also added his name to the bottom of X-21's list in the P.R.O.M episode, so that could have been foreshadowing. Then again, it might be nothing.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 3:35pm
  • by Doctor X
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Damn! You are correct!

Could be nothing like the unheard line Dr. Officially Now the Mrs. The Monarch [!--Ed.] gave The Monarch [!--Ed.] at the end of Season 2.

--J.D.
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Sep. 2, 2011, 6:58am
  • by wemedge
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I actually liked the animation for this one mostly because I thought that since Shallow Gravy had made the bio themselves, it should look different. I can totally see see Dermott lording over the whole cinematography and editing stages of the bio to make it as kick ass as his delusional mind thinks it needs to be.

Long story short, I think the animation was done this way for this episode for a reason.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 12:57am
  • by clayton
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I loved that special, short but sweet. Favorite part of the music video was definitely dean dancing in the fire with the devil suit on or mabie when he's naked reaching up to a jacket. It makes me sad to think that this is all we'll see of the ventures for at least a year, whatever it'll be worth the wait.
-did anyone else see dean in his batman costume in the music vid for a brief moment?
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Aug. 30, 2011, 12:23pm
  • by Hardy
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if you mean Hank, then yes, I saw him dressed as "The Bat".
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Aug. 30, 2011, 2:12pm
  • by clayton
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Yeah meant hank, thanks.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 2:59pm
  • by rhinox
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Loved it, and speaking of jackets, Look like brock and shoreleave's, are they the new Lepidopterists, the 'next in line'?
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:53pm
  • by 420dude
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I thought that as well or that they may just be on a tense stake out.... It did look like Viceroy was all alone in an abandoned sphinx hq, I think he should become the new VB bodyguard as Hatred will get back with Tinyfeet.... maybe.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 12:13am
  • by beb
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Have you been reading my fan-fic?
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Aug. 31, 2011, 1:04pm
  • by 420dude
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No, but have you been reading mine, lol?!
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Sep. 1, 2011, 11:52pm
  • by 420dude
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Beast Wars kicks ass, Doc or Jackson should refrence it in the VB universe.
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Sep. 1, 2011, 11:53pm
For the capsule:
Jonas Sr.'s "van" looks a lot like the Dymaxion car designed by Buckminster Fuller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_car
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Aug. 31, 2011, 10:30am
  • by beb
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definitely the Dymaxion car.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 1:05pm
Woah, I did not catch that one at all, good work!
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Aug. 31, 2011, 1:13pm
  • by acm
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Gary actually came up with the name "The Viceroy" in Season 2's "Hate Floats" in the Henchmen Support group.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 2:08pm
  • by Hardy
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You mean in "Powerless in the Face of Death", not "Hate Floats".
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Sep. 1, 2011, 2:21pm
  • by cpc65
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You are correct sir.
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Sep. 1, 2011, 5:39pm
  • by acm
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Oops not sure how I messed that up. He also refers to himself as G. Viceroy in "Tears of a Sea Cow" when he wrote into 'Venture Home News'.
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Sep. 6, 2011, 10:09am
  • by cpc65
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It's Thursday 9/1, 5:40 PM. I JUST got the cable TV and internet back like 20 minutes ago. Just got phone service back last night. I don't have an i-phone or laptop so I have not seen this yet (thanks Irene!). At least we were only without power for about 3 hours Sunday night (well after Irene was gone). Half my street just got power back late last night and a few friends of mine are still in the dark. I'm gonna check the AS schedule to see when this is on again so I can FINALLY check it out. Hurricanes, stay the fuck away!!! PS: I'll read these comments and the capsule after I've seen this.
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Sep. 1, 2011, 5:39pm
  • by Lisa
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I thought the music video well over shadowed the episode and that the animation looked cheap like eskimo bob or flash, hey theres a refrence most won't get.
Anyway this special was pretty lame: all the easy jokes, 1000 refrences to every band instead of anything original, Dr. Venture not in the speedsuit and was so dumb he just figured Der. is his son, WTF! The animation in the Music Video looked better as well.
All in all the Venture Bros. is an almost always perfect show, but when they stink look ouy b/c it's bad! I give the 'special' a two out of five.
Very sad VB fan.
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Sep. 1, 2011, 11:51pm
  • by Dean Swift
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BTW, the lyrics listed are slightly off, it's "Devil's Plaid" not "Devil's Plant".

http://www.colourlovers.com/pattern/1338102/devils_plaid

It's nothing remotely deep like a metaphor or a reference, it's simply a fabric used for making jackets. I'm less sure about "Witch's Hair", maybe its another jacket fabric type like mohair.
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Sep. 11, 2011, 5:44am
  • by Dean Swift
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Here are the exact lyrics for the (Single Edit) version on iTunes:


[Jacket unzips]

Yellow. Jacket.
Straight. Jacket.
Smoking. Jacket.
Full metal jacket!

Flack. Jacket.
Leather. Jacket.
Varsity. Jacket.
It's Brock's jacket!

Puffy. Jacket.
Bulletproof. Jacket.
Track. Jacket.
A woolen jacket!

Flight. Jacket.
Favorite. Jacket.
Steel. Jacket.
A motorcycle jacket!

These are the coats we wear,
Of devil's plaid and witch's hair.
Jackets are everywhere!

With a hood, or a belt,
or a sleeveless one.
Doesn't count, that's a vest,
called a jerkin.

Cotton. Jacket.
Baby. Jacket.
Life. Jacket.
Eight ball jacket!

One button. Jacket.
Two button. Jacket.
Three button. Jacket.
A four button jacket!

Snorkel. Jacket.
Fancy. Jacket.
Your. Jacket.
Plaid jacket!

Dungaree. Jacket.
Jean. Jacket.
Denim. Jacket.
They're all the same jacket!

You are my outer wear,
my special coat, without a tear.
Jackets are everywhere!

With a hood, or a belt,
or a sleeveless one.
Doesn't count, that's a vest,
called a jerkin.

Two, three, four.

Fonzie's. Jacket.
Bolero. Jacket.
Tuxedo. Jacket.
An Eisenhower jacket!

Nehru. Jacket.
Satin. Jacket.
Riding. Jacket.
Technicolor jacket!

Welding. Jacket.
Child's. Jacket.
Driving. Jacket.
Reversible jacket!

Members Only. Jacket.
A padded. Jacket.
Fringed. Jacket.
Double-breasted jacket!

These are the coats we wear,
Of devil's plaid and witch's hair.
Jackets are everywhere!

You are my outer wear,
My special coat, without a tear.
Jackets are everywhere!

With a hood, or a belt,
or a sleeveless one.
Doesn't count, that's a vest,
called a jerkin.

Uh...we're all wearing jackets.

[Jacket zips up]
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Sep. 12, 2011, 11:34am
Oh man, thank you times a million. Sorry I didn't notice this post until just now but you seriously saved my life because I spent a million years trying to figure out that lyric and 'devil's plant' made no sense at all to me.
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Sep. 27, 2011, 9:12pm
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