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(Belated) "Arrears In Science" Discussion
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There’s nothing stating the OSI may have messed around with all the cloning tech they took from the Venture compound and developed it to the point of clones aging faster then real time. We haven’t seen what they’ve done with the information since they confiscated it.
And they have Jonas’ brains. Who knows what they’re able to do with it(especially now that they also have parts of Venturion/Vendata)
And they have Jonas’ brains. Who knows what they’re able to do with it(especially now that they also have parts of Venturion/Vendata)
- by cpc65
My thinking as well. Jonas' old cloning technology was decades out of date, and I'm betting that Dr. Vulcano is a bit more competent than Rusty was at this cloning racket. Jonas even stated that his plan was for Billy to put his brain into Vandata's body until he and Doc could get the cloning tech going again. I doubt he was planning to wait for a new body to age 20 years or so.
The closing scene clearly indicates that Rusty has what remains of Jonas's head. I'm not sure he will turn it over to OSI. Also I think that this time Jonas's head is really dead. Previously it had been frozen so it hadn't decayed before being hooked up to the PROBLEM machine. This time it looks like all the life-support machines was destroyed and the brain wasn't transplanted anywhere. Maybe Rusty gave OSI the Vendata brain instead of Jonas thinking no one would notice the difference.
Well in that line of thinking, take the Blue Morpho. He was technically dead for a good few weeks to months before Jonas turned him into Venturion. And while he didn’t have his memories at first, this last episode showed he still retained a lot of his memories.
And like the cloning tech, don’t think there’s anything Rusty can do to prevent the OSI from getting what they want.
And like the cloning tech, don’t think there’s anything Rusty can do to prevent the OSI from getting what they want.
I thought the first two parts of this trilogy were pretty ordinary but the finale really blew me away. A lot of revealed history. Most of the revelations were pretty much what we expected -- Jonas was Monarch's real father, making him Rusty's half-brother. Blue Morpho was cyborgized into Vendata. And they both die (again) in the end because this series is not about the past but how people deal with the past.
- by Eartha Kite & Dismalicious Winds from Provo
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Anyone got a bead on the 3 bad guys who stole super cool robot guy? Scary Nilsson, Dr Z and....
So Hatebit is probably still around right? I see a sorta same looking guy show up in old eps.
Glad you're on twitter Mantis Eye. Not sure if the Atlantic Council is running the show over there yet.
So Hatebit is probably still around right? I see a sorta same looking guy show up in old eps.
Glad you're on twitter Mantis Eye. Not sure if the Atlantic Council is running the show over there yet.
- by cpc65
This episode was filled with sheer kick-ass awesomeness from end to end. I must say though that my favorite scene was the 80's flashback with Red Death sporting a Mohawk chilling with his cohorts in the diner. I loved Stab Girl and Laugh Riot but could care less about Mr. Fahrenheit (Edit: Okay. Someone on the VB wiki pointed out he's based on Freddie Mercury, so now I like him). And we got to learn Hate-Bit's name. Too bad a few of them won't be back, unless maybe in an earlier flashback.
Anyway, the scene reminded me of my days during that same time period as a line cook at a restaurant. We'd close at midnight on Fri. and Sat. and got out about 1:00 AM. A few friends and I would meet up at a nearby diner that was open 'til 3:00 and you could order from the breakfast or dinner menu. We'd all grab a bite to eat and just hang. Except my cohorts weren't supervillains, that I know of anyway.
Anyway, the scene reminded me of my days during that same time period as a line cook at a restaurant. We'd close at midnight on Fri. and Sat. and got out about 1:00 AM. A few friends and I would meet up at a nearby diner that was open 'til 3:00 and you could order from the breakfast or dinner menu. We'd all grab a bite to eat and just hang. Except my cohorts weren't supervillains, that I know of anyway.
- by cpc65
You just wouldn't have thought that so little time has passed between season one and now. So much has happened, so much has changed. We got the first hint when Dean said the Problem light was blinking just a couple years ago, but so many trips through the old mind washer have made the boys a little Sagittarius. I had just begun to assume that Dr. O was either flat out wrong with his prediction or was actually referring to Rodney's wife, Jeannie, dying. I wonder if Doc and JP intended it this way or realized, "Oh, crap. We totally forgot about that!", after reading fan comments? Either way, I'm pulling for the big guy to make a recovery.
- by Mike
It's hilarious considering the show has been around for like 14 years but Hank and Dead had their sixteenth birthday a few years back (or at least that's how old those clones were) and next episode Dean is going to college, which is something an 18 year old would do, so... yeah I guess it's only been two years? I think the entirety of season six takes place over a couple of weeks or something? Timelines are weird.
Also Orpheus could easily handwave it away by saying these things are never precise but I prefer to believe otherwise.
Also Orpheus could easily handwave it away by saying these things are never precise but I prefer to believe otherwise.
- by cpc65
As of S2 E2, the clones were 16 years-old. However, their slightly singed driver's licences (laminating accident!) stated that they were 18, meaning the clone slugs were about 2 years younger than the original Hank and Dean. If 2 years, 17 days have gone by since Dr. O's prediction of The Action Man's stroke in season 1's Past Tense then the boys are about 18 now.
- by cpc65
New Geographical Data!
Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell, I-285, I-25, and now 1766 miles from Newark.
They weren't just in Colorado, they were in the Denver area!
(Google puts a road trip via I-80 from Newark to Denver at 1769 miles!)
edit: Ron Bonham beat me to it while I was fact checking. Well done!
Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell, I-285, I-25, and now 1766 miles from Newark.
They weren't just in Colorado, they were in the Denver area!
(Google puts a road trip via I-80 from Newark to Denver at 1769 miles!)
edit: Ron Bonham beat me to it while I was fact checking. Well done!
Lots of good Dr Z callback stuff too:
When Dr.Z is recounting the genesis of Vendata, he is shown riding that drill tank thing from "What Goes Down Must Come Up" (behind an army of H.E.L.P.eR's)
"I need you to seduce Dr. Z" ref to "A Party for Tarzan"
My favorite: He mentions that some "bungler dropped dime", referring to one of his henchmen in classic Z uniform, as last seen in the "How to Spot a Blunderer" video Augustus St. Cloud was watching in "What Color is Your Cleansuit".
When Dr.Z is recounting the genesis of Vendata, he is shown riding that drill tank thing from "What Goes Down Must Come Up" (behind an army of H.E.L.P.eR's)
"I need you to seduce Dr. Z" ref to "A Party for Tarzan"
My favorite: He mentions that some "bungler dropped dime", referring to one of his henchmen in classic Z uniform, as last seen in the "How to Spot a Blunderer" video Augustus St. Cloud was watching in "What Color is Your Cleansuit".
- by cpc65
I thought it might be the same henchman (Zenchman?) too, but I rewatched both scenes and Dr. Z has much less hair and looked older in the training film indicating it was made at a later time. And alas, the bungler's tunic was not untucked. That would have been hilarious had it been the same guy though.
- by ChebGhobbi
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I actually didn't enjoy this episode as much as the last two, but my only reason for that is that it contained very few surprises. Pretty much everything we learned this episode we'd already figured out quite a while back. That said, I still loved it. The one thing that really shocked me was that Jonas was blackmailing BM...just when I thought he couldn't sink much lower, the guy goes and surprises me again.
Kudos to Jackson and Doc for sticking to their guns and not changing the Vendata reveal just to throw those of us who'd figured it out, though. George R R Martin makes a point of not changing the plans he's painstakingly foreshadowed just to shock his readers and I was worried, based on some things I'd read, that JP and DH were going to do the same regarding Vendata. As a result this episode didn't surprise me the way I would have loved it to have done but I think from an overall narrative sense they made the right decision.
Some thoughts:
1. Vendata sincerely believed the Movie Night Massacre wasn't his doing and I believe him. It looked in the diner like he planned it to get revenge on Jonas...but remember at that point he had no memory of his former existences.
2. Looks like the only Guild survivors of that mission were Red Death (because he kept his helmet on), Hate-Bit and Vendata (presumably because vacuum can't harm them) as they were the only people being given a reprieve by The Sovereign.
3. We still need to learn what caused the crash that killed BM and his wife and orphaned the Monarch. We also know nothing about young Malcolm's relationship with young Rusty (apart from 'you were never there for me'), or why Rusty doesn't seem to remember it.
Kudos to Jackson and Doc for sticking to their guns and not changing the Vendata reveal just to throw those of us who'd figured it out, though. George R R Martin makes a point of not changing the plans he's painstakingly foreshadowed just to shock his readers and I was worried, based on some things I'd read, that JP and DH were going to do the same regarding Vendata. As a result this episode didn't surprise me the way I would have loved it to have done but I think from an overall narrative sense they made the right decision.
Some thoughts:
1. Vendata sincerely believed the Movie Night Massacre wasn't his doing and I believe him. It looked in the diner like he planned it to get revenge on Jonas...but remember at that point he had no memory of his former existences.
2. Looks like the only Guild survivors of that mission were Red Death (because he kept his helmet on), Hate-Bit and Vendata (presumably because vacuum can't harm them) as they were the only people being given a reprieve by The Sovereign.
3. We still need to learn what caused the crash that killed BM and his wife and orphaned the Monarch. We also know nothing about young Malcolm's relationship with young Rusty (apart from 'you were never there for me'), or why Rusty doesn't seem to remember it.
- by ChebGhobbi
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Jonas seemed oddly unfazed by Vendata's plan to expose him. I wondee if that's because the massacre was somehow actually his own doing but it backfired, leading to Jonas's 'death'?
And was the cowboy in PROBLEM a continuity error?Rusty found it melted around the circuitry, whereas it fell out onto the floor in the flashback.
And was the cowboy in PROBLEM a continuity error?Rusty found it melted around the circuitry, whereas it fell out onto the floor in the flashback.
- by cpc65
- by gnormie
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I think in Careers in science we see Rusty playing with two cowboy toys. One with a white shirt and a gun. The other with a brown shirt and a lasso.
The one with the brown shirt melted on Gargantua 1 and wasn't in the PROBLEM unit. The other one with the white shirt is the one that fell out of the problem unit that Team Venture tripped on.
Now that's continuity!
The one with the brown shirt melted on Gargantua 1 and wasn't in the PROBLEM unit. The other one with the white shirt is the one that fell out of the problem unit that Team Venture tripped on.
Now that's continuity!
- by Crimson Avenger
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The 2 beds that Hank and Dean slept in were beds Rusty And Malcolm slept in. Both Rusty and Monarch are clones.Ergo the memory losses. Malcolm died in plane crash and Jonas had clone slugs so crank-up the oven and viola no memory: Malcolm is Jonas's son as well.Probably an entire collection of scopitones with Malcolm's name for the learning beds, Interested to find out how many times Jonas cloned those 2 of his kids. Surely he must have many others. Triple threat is Billy's mom fathered by Jonas most likely. It is called Venture Brothers so I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the characters are Ventures. The Monarch upbringing was most likely Learning bed implants to create a Blue Morpho pal for Rusty. 1 good(sorta) 1 bad (sorta).
I love that every thing Armstrong told Hank and Dean on Gargantua was true, just awkwardly vocalized by old Flash in the pan Rogers.
I love that every thing Armstrong told Hank and Dean on Gargantua was true, just awkwardly vocalized by old Flash in the pan Rogers.
- by cpc65
- by Captain V
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Here we go:
- Only a super run away, Dean? Jonas Sr. is already trying to pull an Ultimate Fucking Run Away... with the entire building.
- The explanation for a back-up BM suit being the XL variant had a pretty awesome backstory.
- Phone book joke is great, makes sense b/c the recently deceased Jonas Jr. would still be listed.
- The morse code joke is fucking genius. Retroactively makes so much more sense and (yet again) deepens the entire series upon rewatching.
- If your name is Jonas Venture... and you build a space station... you die on it.
- Dr. Z had sex with BM... meaning he unknowingly had sex with his own re-creation, Vendata.
- Jonas Sr. may actually be the main antagonist of the entire series, in many, many ways.
More on that later.
- Blue Morpho dies quite a bit, only to be reborn and die again, and again. Arguably, he is one of the most tragic figures in the series.
- Kano killing his former master was genius, now we know who he killed and fell silent afterwards.
- Jonas is very likely Rusty and Malcom's father. However, Malcom's mother could even be Rusty's mother, meaning they are full on brothers. We don't know what Jonas did. He could of just used his sperm to impregnate her. He may have just had sex with her. But... he could've even taken her eggs to make Rusty. Anything is possible.
- Jonas just being a head is fully explained. Of course he got dropped when frozen, so obvious now.
- PROBLEM was evidently built in case someone, mainly Jonas, had an accident while working in space on Gargantua.
- The shrink ray will always return... when you least expect it.
- Team Venture actually had morals. Especially when seeing their old friend rebuilt as a robot. Something Jonas Sr. didn't care for. As Rusty puts it, it's just the Venture way. You don't cry, you rebuild him.
- The quick shot of the Helper army was hilarious.
- Brock's entire life is a lie. Great bit of information and lore. Plus, it's always fun to see Brock taken aback.
- Jonas Sr. quickly mentions putting his brain into BM and then getting the cloning program up and running.
- I wouldn't be shocked if BM's plane crashing wasn't an accident. Jonas could be behind it. I have crazy theories on it.
- Full name reveal: Malcom Fitzcarraldo.
(part one of two)
- Only a super run away, Dean? Jonas Sr. is already trying to pull an Ultimate Fucking Run Away... with the entire building.
- The explanation for a back-up BM suit being the XL variant had a pretty awesome backstory.
- Phone book joke is great, makes sense b/c the recently deceased Jonas Jr. would still be listed.
- The morse code joke is fucking genius. Retroactively makes so much more sense and (yet again) deepens the entire series upon rewatching.
- If your name is Jonas Venture... and you build a space station... you die on it.
- Dr. Z had sex with BM... meaning he unknowingly had sex with his own re-creation, Vendata.
- Jonas Sr. may actually be the main antagonist of the entire series, in many, many ways.
More on that later.
- Blue Morpho dies quite a bit, only to be reborn and die again, and again. Arguably, he is one of the most tragic figures in the series.
- Kano killing his former master was genius, now we know who he killed and fell silent afterwards.
- Jonas is very likely Rusty and Malcom's father. However, Malcom's mother could even be Rusty's mother, meaning they are full on brothers. We don't know what Jonas did. He could of just used his sperm to impregnate her. He may have just had sex with her. But... he could've even taken her eggs to make Rusty. Anything is possible.
- Jonas just being a head is fully explained. Of course he got dropped when frozen, so obvious now.
- PROBLEM was evidently built in case someone, mainly Jonas, had an accident while working in space on Gargantua.
- The shrink ray will always return... when you least expect it.
- Team Venture actually had morals. Especially when seeing their old friend rebuilt as a robot. Something Jonas Sr. didn't care for. As Rusty puts it, it's just the Venture way. You don't cry, you rebuild him.
- The quick shot of the Helper army was hilarious.
- Brock's entire life is a lie. Great bit of information and lore. Plus, it's always fun to see Brock taken aback.
- Jonas Sr. quickly mentions putting his brain into BM and then getting the cloning program up and running.
- I wouldn't be shocked if BM's plane crashing wasn't an accident. Jonas could be behind it. I have crazy theories on it.
- Full name reveal: Malcom Fitzcarraldo.
(part one of two)
- by Captain V
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- Venture Bros. always come in sets of three.
Dean / Der. / Hank. | Mal. / Rusty / J.J.
- The Monarch "double" kills both of his fathers.. since they had both died before. Fucking awesome.
- Kano killing BM could be foreshadowing Gary having to make a similar choice with Malcom... eventually. Especially, since they became the NEW BM and Kano temporarily.
History may repeat itself. We'll probably know by season... twelve... in 2031.
- Jonas built Venturion with an EVIL switch. It's just a joke. But really let the implications sink in. Just another clue Jonas Sr. is a villain... or the ultimate dickbag.
- The timeline is nuts. We know it was early October in season six b/c we see the date October 7th later on in the season. But now it's late November. Jackson said it's only been a few days total at SDCC. Only four months since the end of season five.
I'm confused. The boys have to be 19. They celebrated last Halloween at the beginning of season five.
- Speaking of timeline. HOLY FUCK. Their is sooooooo much going on in this one, soo much decade hopping, surely there are holes in the Venture timeline now.
- Dean's little speech to help Hank is a callback to the season five when Hank helped Dean with coming to terms with being a clone.
- Hank probably has ADHD, not just ADD as Dean suggests.
- Shocking Warriana (spelling) or other heroes don't show up when the building rocks around the block.
- Jonas hanging the tape over BM's head to get him to do shit favors is just... pure evil.
- Red Death could've easily saved AM by flying through the window hole. But he was busy at the dinner when AM needed him.
- AM finally has his stroke and of course Orpheus is present for it.
- Odd Billy thought it was a heart attack when AM just screamed "TOAST!" loudly.
The most well-known sign of stroke victims is smelling burnt toast.
- Who actually pulled that lever and killed Jonas Sr. the first time? BM denies it was him, Red Death was one of the other survivors. But I actually think it was Bud Manstrong as a boy or some crazy shit. Like, the paper boy on Gargantua or something.
- This won't be the last of Jonas. That heads got legs.
- The Monarch and Rusty will probably realize they are bros. in the S7 finale.
- Blue bastard! Don't ruin this for me!!!
- The Thanksgiving float accident is a reference to real life events.
- Final beat of the episode is definitely the final beat of season six proper.
Wow. My new favorite episode. Go Team... Shit is Fucked Up.
(part 2 of 2)
Dean / Der. / Hank. | Mal. / Rusty / J.J.
- The Monarch "double" kills both of his fathers.. since they had both died before. Fucking awesome.
- Kano killing BM could be foreshadowing Gary having to make a similar choice with Malcom... eventually. Especially, since they became the NEW BM and Kano temporarily.
History may repeat itself. We'll probably know by season... twelve... in 2031.
- Jonas built Venturion with an EVIL switch. It's just a joke. But really let the implications sink in. Just another clue Jonas Sr. is a villain... or the ultimate dickbag.
- The timeline is nuts. We know it was early October in season six b/c we see the date October 7th later on in the season. But now it's late November. Jackson said it's only been a few days total at SDCC. Only four months since the end of season five.
I'm confused. The boys have to be 19. They celebrated last Halloween at the beginning of season five.
- Speaking of timeline. HOLY FUCK. Their is sooooooo much going on in this one, soo much decade hopping, surely there are holes in the Venture timeline now.
- Dean's little speech to help Hank is a callback to the season five when Hank helped Dean with coming to terms with being a clone.
- Hank probably has ADHD, not just ADD as Dean suggests.
- Shocking Warriana (spelling) or other heroes don't show up when the building rocks around the block.
- Jonas hanging the tape over BM's head to get him to do shit favors is just... pure evil.
- Red Death could've easily saved AM by flying through the window hole. But he was busy at the dinner when AM needed him.
- AM finally has his stroke and of course Orpheus is present for it.
- Odd Billy thought it was a heart attack when AM just screamed "TOAST!" loudly.
The most well-known sign of stroke victims is smelling burnt toast.
- Who actually pulled that lever and killed Jonas Sr. the first time? BM denies it was him, Red Death was one of the other survivors. But I actually think it was Bud Manstrong as a boy or some crazy shit. Like, the paper boy on Gargantua or something.
- This won't be the last of Jonas. That heads got legs.
- The Monarch and Rusty will probably realize they are bros. in the S7 finale.
- Blue bastard! Don't ruin this for me!!!
- The Thanksgiving float accident is a reference to real life events.
- Final beat of the episode is definitely the final beat of season six proper.
Wow. My new favorite episode. Go Team... Shit is Fucked Up.
(part 2 of 2)
- by cpc65
Manstrong was the paperboy. Look at the name tag. He also told the boys he had been a paperboy in Careers in Science. And, yes, he is on my list of suspects. Perhaps some other boy was getting a little too friendly with a young Anna and happened to be attending movie night. Wait, it's rated R, but Jonas probably didn't care.
- by Hank
- by cpc65
In the Go Team Venture! book JP mentions Scare Bear had a scene with dialog and a happy ending for him in a previous episode, but they had to cut it, so who knows. I like 'Murder Bear' better, but it's his creation.
I had accidentally stumbled on the source material for the character while browsing the London Times website and now JP confirmed it in the book that it was indeed the source.
http://www.artnet.com/artists/mark-wallinger/sleeper-pvnaFFBhsFpFFm4whZMhmA2
Anyway, he was in the trailer so we'll be seeing him soon!
I had accidentally stumbled on the source material for the character while browsing the London Times website and now JP confirmed it in the book that it was indeed the source.
http://www.artnet.com/artists/mark-wallinger/sleeper-pvnaFFBhsFpFFm4whZMhmA2
Anyway, he was in the trailer so we'll be seeing him soon!
- by AldusValor
- by AldusValor
- by ChebGhobbi
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The timeline is fluid - Cleansuit takes place after Game of Thrones started to air but only a couple of years after the most recent clones were activated (as they are still under 18). However, the boys' last death took place around the time Wonderboy III died, which was in the early 2010s if memory serves (as there's a date on the memorial in Handsome Ransom - I think he lived from 1996 to 2012 but that could be wrong). Also Action Man's stroke puts the latest episode just over two years after Past Tense.
Basically, the entire stretch of the show takes place in the space of about three years at most, but every season is also set in the year it airs. The timeline for the flashbacks doesn't appear to have moved.
Basically, the entire stretch of the show takes place in the space of about three years at most, but every season is also set in the year it airs. The timeline for the flashbacks doesn't appear to have moved.
- by AldusValor
All right, I present the rough draft of my reworked Venture Timeline!! I seem to have to rework it every season...
http://imgur.com/gallery/78osyCM
http://imgur.com/gallery/78osyCM
- by AldusValor
- by cpc65
I thought of Manstrong pulling the lever as well. Maybe he stumbled upon that video Vendata had of Jonas & BM and had another dissociative episode like he had when Gargantua 1 crashed. Might not even remember doing it.
Follow-up: How did Vendata get that compromising video in the first place? Its not visible in the dumpster where Dr. Z found him. Maybe someone else had a bigger plan in motion...
Follow-up: How did Vendata get that compromising video in the first place? Its not visible in the dumpster where Dr. Z found him. Maybe someone else had a bigger plan in motion...
- by cpc65
- by cpc65
And just down the street is a billboard for "Killer Whale" which is a take on the movie Orca, which also came out in '77. You can also see the OSI surveillance van parked next to the club and the Hale Brothers' convertible drives by in the opening shot of the flashback, but that's probably just them reusing animation models like they do with background people, which is why we see Skye all over the place.
- by AldusValor
In my digging, I googled "Fitzcarraldo" just to see what would come up. The first thing you get is an old East German feature film (which is esoteric enough to scratch the itch), but if you dig a little more, you'll find that The Fitzcarraldo is also the name of a ship (which was perhaps named after the film.) It's more likely a reference to the ship than the film, because look at it. It's a dead ringer for Shore Leave and Sky Pilot's boat in "The Family that Slays Together Stays Together Part 1.)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk_the_Plank_(theatre_company)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk_the_Plank_(theatre_company)
- by cpc65
I'd like to give Jackson and Doc a LOT of credit for revealing / confirming / tying-up many backstory threads. Many of the long-time Venture fanboys (us) already widely believed many of the things revealed (not all) to be the case for many years (ranging between almost-confirmed and speculative-but-probable), but the casual viewer needs these underlying threads brought to the forefront to understand the world in which these characters live. Now us die-hards and casual viewers are on mostly even ground; lets pick up on other embedded subplots to speculate over.
Someone posted somewhere that they thought this had a series finale feel due to all the revelations, but I think they couldn't be more wrong. This gives the characters a chance to deal with their history as it becomes known to them; ending the series on something like this would be very anti-climatic. It's far more interesting to see how the revelations affect the characters as their stories continue to move forward in a typical Venture Bros. universe way. This gives the creators a lot of freedom to tell a lot more interesting stories of these characters and allow new story arcs (and sub-plots) to be told.
Season 7 is off to a great start! What's next? I can't wait to see!
Someone posted somewhere that they thought this had a series finale feel due to all the revelations, but I think they couldn't be more wrong. This gives the characters a chance to deal with their history as it becomes known to them; ending the series on something like this would be very anti-climatic. It's far more interesting to see how the revelations affect the characters as their stories continue to move forward in a typical Venture Bros. universe way. This gives the creators a lot of freedom to tell a lot more interesting stories of these characters and allow new story arcs (and sub-plots) to be told.
Season 7 is off to a great start! What's next? I can't wait to see!
- by kgullholmen
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It did feel like a finale: the one we never got for season 6. This is it. And the extra waiting time paid of big time!
This was huge. They laid out the plot quite some time ago (season 5ish?) and they followed through with it. Well done. This was an amazing hour of Venture Bros, maybe even the best, even with Brock on the sideline.
This was huge. They laid out the plot quite some time ago (season 5ish?) and they followed through with it. Well done. This was an amazing hour of Venture Bros, maybe even the best, even with Brock on the sideline.
- by cpc65
I've been going nuts trying to pin this down, and I have to say this looks the closest I've seen so far. I'd say you found the source, or it's at least partly based on this place.
To show how OCD I was I took some screengrabs from the flashback scene, and in one shot looking over Red Death's shoulder, you can see street signs on a pole outside the window on the left. The sign facing left says W 128th St. and the one on the right (perpendicular to the street they're on) says 10th St. I went on Google Earth and found the intersection. At first, I saw nothing that looked like a diner, but then noticed on one street corner was one of those fences they put up when doing construction or demolition. I went to street view and you can see that a small building had been torn down and could even see where it has been connected to the larger building next door. If there were a diner there, and you were sitting in the same booth the street signs would appear exactly as they were in the flashback.
I'm not really familiar with NYC, so I wonder what had stood there? Any straphangers out there?
To show how OCD I was I took some screengrabs from the flashback scene, and in one shot looking over Red Death's shoulder, you can see street signs on a pole outside the window on the left. The sign facing left says W 128th St. and the one on the right (perpendicular to the street they're on) says 10th St. I went on Google Earth and found the intersection. At first, I saw nothing that looked like a diner, but then noticed on one street corner was one of those fences they put up when doing construction or demolition. I went to street view and you can see that a small building had been torn down and could even see where it has been connected to the larger building next door. If there were a diner there, and you were sitting in the same booth the street signs would appear exactly as they were in the flashback.
I'm not really familiar with NYC, so I wonder what had stood there? Any straphangers out there?
- by cpc65
Episode four is online:
http://www.adultswim.com/videos/the-venture-bros/the-high-cost-of-loathing/
And does The Monarch arch Dr. Venture because he stole his toy truck as a child?
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And does The Monarch arch Dr. Venture because he stole his toy truck as a child?
- by cpc65
- by cpc65
I guess I should start listening to those again. I stopped listening in the early seasons because they didn't really know how those worked back then and would talk about all sorts of random subjects. Also, they've been known to fib or change their minds from time to time so I personally only consider what I see on the screen to be canon.
- by Captain V
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Bonus thoughts:
- Would VHS tapes get demagnetized in space?
- As many have already suggested. Did a young Manstrong find the sex tape, put it in one of the many VHS players visible, blackout when he saw nudity, and then fall on the hanger bay lever?
- The stroke dates exactly how much time has passed since season one, as long as Orpheus got the day right. And it seems he did.
- So... the boys are definitely 18 then.
- This episode pulled in around a 0.61 in cable ratings. Keep in mind online early release. The numbers are a little low, but decent in the new digital ad revenue era.
- Look at the closely at dates... Dr. Z in 77 creating Vendata / but Venturion was created in 78 according to his HUD. What??? Maybe I'm confused?
- Wikipedia says Malcom's dad is Don. I hear the word "darling"spoken, not Don. Unless, I'm wrong and someone else says Don somewhere in the episode.
- Escalator error. They eventually come up the same one they all ran down originally, towards the end of the episode. Well, Dean didn't use that escalator... you get what I mean.
- Killer Whale billboard is a parody of Jaws.
- The toy truck represents everything stolen from Malcom. His family, his heritage, the truth, his real last name... Venture.
- The ridiculous vacuum Rusty invented returns briefly to smash a glass case.
- They should reproduce and sell the fucking shrink guy. Billions.
- Dr. Mrs. may be the one to put everything together b/c she knows the most about it from Red Death and knowing Vendata was Malcom's father, in regards to Rusty and Malcom's relationship is deeper. She also knows of the photo.
- Malcom accidentally got overdue revenge for BM by helping to kill Jonas.
- Monarch probably hates Rusty for stealing from him as kids. Thus, the toy again comes up.
- Jonas likely got Mrs. F drunk and had sex with her. Maybe BM thinks he just was a sperm donor. But Jonas actually fucked her. Anyway, he made a sex tape with Mrs. F and told her that if he couldn't deliver the baby, he'd show everyone the tape if she didn't keep quiet and comply. Anyway, she has twins. Jonas deliverys them and takes one. Boom, Malcom and Rusty are really twin brothers. Who really knows... ya know?
- Jonas then sabotaged and crashed the plane b/c Mrs. F was gonna reveal all to BM.
- Thus, the Monarch deserves to hate Rusty and the Venture name more than anyone... ever.
- Would VHS tapes get demagnetized in space?
- As many have already suggested. Did a young Manstrong find the sex tape, put it in one of the many VHS players visible, blackout when he saw nudity, and then fall on the hanger bay lever?
- The stroke dates exactly how much time has passed since season one, as long as Orpheus got the day right. And it seems he did.
- So... the boys are definitely 18 then.
- This episode pulled in around a 0.61 in cable ratings. Keep in mind online early release. The numbers are a little low, but decent in the new digital ad revenue era.
- Look at the closely at dates... Dr. Z in 77 creating Vendata / but Venturion was created in 78 according to his HUD. What??? Maybe I'm confused?
- Wikipedia says Malcom's dad is Don. I hear the word "darling"spoken, not Don. Unless, I'm wrong and someone else says Don somewhere in the episode.
- Escalator error. They eventually come up the same one they all ran down originally, towards the end of the episode. Well, Dean didn't use that escalator... you get what I mean.
- Killer Whale billboard is a parody of Jaws.
- The toy truck represents everything stolen from Malcom. His family, his heritage, the truth, his real last name... Venture.
- The ridiculous vacuum Rusty invented returns briefly to smash a glass case.
- They should reproduce and sell the fucking shrink guy. Billions.
- Dr. Mrs. may be the one to put everything together b/c she knows the most about it from Red Death and knowing Vendata was Malcom's father, in regards to Rusty and Malcom's relationship is deeper. She also knows of the photo.
- Malcom accidentally got overdue revenge for BM by helping to kill Jonas.
- Monarch probably hates Rusty for stealing from him as kids. Thus, the toy again comes up.
- Jonas likely got Mrs. F drunk and had sex with her. Maybe BM thinks he just was a sperm donor. But Jonas actually fucked her. Anyway, he made a sex tape with Mrs. F and told her that if he couldn't deliver the baby, he'd show everyone the tape if she didn't keep quiet and comply. Anyway, she has twins. Jonas deliverys them and takes one. Boom, Malcom and Rusty are really twin brothers. Who really knows... ya know?
- Jonas then sabotaged and crashed the plane b/c Mrs. F was gonna reveal all to BM.
- Thus, the Monarch deserves to hate Rusty and the Venture name more than anyone... ever.
- by cpc65
- by Captain V
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You are correct. It's definitely 1976 in the corner of his HUD.
I thought it accidentally said 1978, as in a small typo error.
But it was in fact totally my own error.
The numbers 6 and 8 are pretty similar looking. You can see how I did that.
I'll just say my eyes must be getting bad. LOL.
I thought it accidentally said 1978, as in a small typo error.
But it was in fact totally my own error.
The numbers 6 and 8 are pretty similar looking. You can see how I did that.
I'll just say my eyes must be getting bad. LOL.
- by Hank
- by Hank
Episode 4 is up! Change of pace from the Morphic Trilogy obviously. IT'S A GOODUN THOUGH
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