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Welcome back, everyone! For those of you who don't know (or don't remember), every episode I'll put up a discussion thread that you can use to talk about pretty much anything that happened in the episode or the show in general. First timers or those not on eastern time be warned that there will be many, many spoilers inside, so venture in at your own peril.

Tonight's episode is of course called "Hostile Makeover" and it's the premiere of season six of Venture Bros.. Enjoy!
I've missed you Mantis Eye! I can't wait to get this show on the road!
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Jan. 31, 2016, 11:57pm
SO MUCH IN 12 MINUTES! It's so different but this is filled to the brim with references, I mean I should expect that because it's Venture Bros. but so good ahh. Mr. Reach-more!

ALSO ADULT SWIM BUMPER MENTIONING ANOTHER SEASON
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:09am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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So far, so great. That Guild scene at Club Hell (or whatever it's called) was super awesome. Hope the guy who looks like a Baseball Fury shows up more this season.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:11am
  • by captain midnite
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Haven't seen it officially, but the Fury guy is purple and has PR on his hat. Purple Rose, right? The Woody Allen movie + Pete Rose.
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Feb. 19, 2016, 3:12am
I like what I see so far...except H.E.L.P.eR. being under-appreciated...again! Venture family has no heart for him.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:12am
He got the last laugh at the end though.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:24am
At least he got that post credits moment!
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:25am
Hahahaha! Go H.E.L.P.eR. revenge!
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:25am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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He'll be back- JJ makes his robots way too well for a 50-story plunge to put it out of action. But yeah, good for H.E.L.P.eR!
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:32am
I just now realized that the Captain America guy is wearing garters.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:24am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Yeah, that's Stars and Garters.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:24am
And it's obviously Tosh Tompkins!! Hanks new GF has Gills!!!
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:28am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Well, that would make Brown Widow's story even more complicated.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:33am
Did anyone else catch The amazon lady refer to Star and Garters by his name; Then at the end he calls her by her name, Anna?
"Way to do your homework Tosh!"
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:51pm
  • by Me
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I think it was a sarcastic remark based around the comedian, "Tosh" from "Tosh.0"
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Feb. 1, 2016, 1:12pm
Her name might actually be Anna, but it was at least a shortening of her hero name "Warriana".
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Feb. 1, 2016, 2:06pm
This was outstanding. Every bit the show I've been craving since the very beginning.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:26am
So I'm guessing Dr. Mrs. The Monarch had to hand over arching rights on Venture clan over from The Monarch to Wide Wale....correct?
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:28am
Yeah, her sleeping with Wide Whale would be just too obvious and she and The Monarch[!--Ed.] have joked about having a weirdly open marriage.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 4:57am
That's what she told Hatred when she rescued her hubby and 21 at the end. That they were in violation of Wide Wale's exclusive arching rights.
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Feb. 6, 2016, 12:32pm
I'll have to watch it four or five more times (probably all this week :P) to confirm for sure, but the best joke for me was

"I'd like to see more women on the council!"
"And people of color!"
*purple guy stands up*
"And people of COLOR"
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:28am
I want that Snap - The Power ripoff song.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:31am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Ok, so I'm sold. So much great stuff, so many plotlines to go to this season. Hope the Sea Captain finally gets the dart monkey off his back. Wonder what Monarch will do now that the Tobias Whale guy (which is a great ref) has arching rights on Dr. Venture. And I definitely want to know more about the Atlantis-type Hank fell for.

Lots of great stuff in the fight near the end, especially when Brock was in the Lasso of Truth.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:31am
Yeah I really want to know more about that girl as well. She was on one of the posters for the season so I'm hopeful she's important!
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:45am
She has gills and I would bet she's related to Wide Whale...
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:52am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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She has an Atlantean feel to me.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 1:02am
  • by harrowedmind
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Hank is going to date the mob boss's daughter; the Romiet and Julio story finally being done in the Venture universe
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Feb. 1, 2016, 4:03pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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With Hank as Julio, no doubt.
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Feb. 2, 2016, 4:42am
Yes, it was the same penthouse as WW's' that the gill girl was swimming/water breathing in the pool. And if you notice the character design of WW, he's wearing an ascot possibly to cover up his gills!
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Feb. 2, 2016, 11:43am
Wait, it's only a half hour premiere? That's a downer. I couldn't watch it live and am dying waiting. I was expecting another hour ep, but at least it looks amazing. If there's one thing this show has, it's quality over quantity!
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:33am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Much as I would have loved that, an hour of that might be too much awesomeness to handle.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:35am
It's definitely high quality, the amount of stuff in this episode puts a lot of hour long shows I've seen to shame.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:37am
You're not kidding! Not a down moment in that one. So happy right now. Just wish I could watch it again right away. Gah! Commitments!
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Feb. 1, 2016, 2:08pm
Oh gods! I just realized that that jerk weed teacher that threw the can at Brown Widow was Stars & Garters.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:40am
  • by harrowedmind
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I had no clue about that until I just read your post! that is hilarious
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Feb. 1, 2016, 4:05pm
It wasn't until I watched the second time that I made the connection. After seeing the end credits and seeing that Stars & Garters' secret identity was Tosh [Thompkins(?)] and then hearing Brown Widow say his name out loud. I guess most people were supposed to remember that Warriana called him by his first name earlier in the episode, but I never watch a first run very critically.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 4:51pm
And wait... Did Hatred quit the OSI? Is that what we saw? He's gonna go all creep-uncle vigilante on us?
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Feb. 1, 2016, 12:46am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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He went all Rambo (or as Rambo as Hatred gets), as far as I can tell. Might try to protect the Ventures from afar.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 1:00am
He's a brilliant strategist and super-emotional, now. This could either be fantastic or heartbreaking.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 1:10am
I'm hoping Doc makes him head of security. I mean he probably fired the previous head of security...with the business suddenly so big it'd make sense to have a family bodyguard and somebody taking care of the building. Plus Hatred wants to redeem himself for letting the compound burn down.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 2:27am
Well, if you remember the teaser from 2014 that was supposed to be about Gargantua 2 but was really Watch and Ward going on about a Villain killer, there's a bit that reads "He has murdering gadgets and a larger, possibly more deadly friend with him." I have a pretty good idea what's going to happen, but I never make Venture predictions publicly.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 4:59pm
30 second epilogue got put up on the Adult Swim FB page

https://www.facebook.com/adultswim/videos/vb.67985126744/10153810359556745/?type=2&theater
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Feb. 1, 2016, 1:08am
Whoaaa! I wonder how these epilogues are gonna work on the eventual DVD release...here's hoping this and Gargantua-2 are on there complete.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 1:25am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Oh, that's good. That's very good. I'd imagine they'll make a special menu for them.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 1:31am
  • by Captain V
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Yeah, Warner Home video probably won't even bother putting out a season 6 set, b/c digital is king now. Meaning these will never be released properly along with the season.
And if you buy digitally you don't get fully uncensored audio or any epilogues.

Anyway, these will probably all eventually get lost forever. I wish they'd just air with the body of the show after the astrobase logo.

Oh, well. Yay, for fucking epilogues.... getting lost forever..... just one more blow to my favorite show.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 10:40am
  • by Captain V
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People are so blinded by awesome new Venture... they have no idea that these epilogues will actually become a giant headache for completionists who want to own the entire series.

Mr. Reachmore... reach the people! Tell them the truth! Internet content is BS! They're just cutting up our favorite show now!
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Feb. 1, 2016, 10:47am
Super bummed that the epilogues might be left out, but I ordered the season on iTunes and its uncensored audio. But I can't imagine that they'd get forgotten about and left out. They'll probably be included later or bunched together like extra/deleted scenes. Have faith in Jackson and Doc! They hate extra shit that screws the fans.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 2:11pm
  • by Captain V
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That's awesome about the uncensored audio!
When Brock drops F bombs I wanna hear 'em.

Anyway, Warner Home Video is responsible for everything. J&D can submit them... but that doesn't mean Warner will include them on a bluray set. Heck, many shows are getting physical releases cancelled altogether.
The new season is gorgeous... so Warner probably won't even release a bluray set... just a dvd one... if we're lucky. Robot Chicken and Mike Tyson got their bluray releases cancelled... straight to dvd.
Rick and Morty & V Bros. are the only two AS shows that get bluray releases now. I'm soo fucking afraid they'll end them and go all digital.
Adult Swim has nothing to do with what Warner Home Video wants or does.

This is why I have issue with epilogues. I hate content that could easily get lost. Especially content I absolutely adore! B/c the epilogues rock!
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Feb. 1, 2016, 2:54pm
I get you. I agree. The epilogue = essential viewing. It's not just for fun, it pushes the narrative. Shame if it gets cut out later. I think they'll still present Blu-ray. It's being made in hd and people will buy it. Although it sounds like you're a lot more up on the behind the scenes business. I hope they surprise you!
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Feb. 1, 2016, 7:07pm
  • by Captain V
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Exactly. The epilogue definitively explained why Hatred became the security chief in the second episode of the season.

This is my favorite show... *sings* I dooon waaannnnaa misss a thaangg.
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Feb. 8, 2016, 12:47am
It's mine, too. It's insanely deep and clever, and there is always more to catch in each viewing.

I just realized that the Gargantua-2 epilogue is the "sneak peek" that is included with the season 6 pass, so maybe there is some hope for these individual show tails. I want the maybe no go one to be posted online already. I need completion!
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Feb. 8, 2016, 2:08pm
Oh damn. warringtonwebnews.com isn't real. I wish they'd put up a site with those articles, but I guess you can't get everything you want.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 2:57pm
Interesting that this is the first VB season premiere since Season 1 to have sole writing credit to Jackson, unless we're counting Diving Bell vs. The Butter-Glider.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 2:29am
  • by Captain V
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[AS] can call Gargantua-2 a SPECIAL all they want... but we all know it's the actual season six premiere, going by production... and even further... the true hour-long season five finale that we never got.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 10:43am
I feel like 5 & 6 are just one long season, the way 4 was split. Except in a way where you need to pay twice as much for the same amount of content. Season 5 through 6(ep1 at least) with G-2 all has a similar feel and flow. But I just consider the entire series one long saga with phases of time and arcs of various failures. But now Rusty's back!
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Feb. 1, 2016, 2:16pm
I may have to even further go back on my trivia, Adult Swim's website is counting Gargantua as S6 E1.

Also comparing S4 and S5/6 is interesting as they both have about the same format, but are numbered differently. 4 V1 and V2 are one whole season but premiered a year apart, and each had their own arcs beginning and ending in them. I almost wish they just called each 8 episode part a season, because broadcast wise we're basically on the seventh season.

And I definitely agree that the series flows REALLY well together, rewatching it is a blast when it's episodes like Gargantua-2 and this where the ending of one just immediately ties into the next one.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 3:32pm
BLEEPING AWESOME!!11!ELEVENTY

Man, the references in this one. As much as I regret Our Glorious Host's decision to have, well, a life and not create detailed synopses I am not sure where to begin with all of the references.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 4:55am
And, sadly, I'm certain I noticed less then 10% of them. Can the good people here start a list of some references made in the show?
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Feb. 1, 2016, 9:10am
Where to start . . . I noticed the voice of The Whale's butler sounded just like Pete Postlewaith's "Mr. Kobayashi." There is an obscure one.
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Feb. 2, 2016, 12:13am
YES!!


And no one noticed SWING HEIL???
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Feb. 2, 2016, 11:41am
I loved that. SWING HEIL: Cubs blitz Mets in 7-0 holocaust.
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Feb. 2, 2016, 2:16pm
According to one of the S4 commentaries they've been trying to get that in the show for a while but with Dean in tears, ala Freakin' Swing Kids style; SWING HEIL, HANK??
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Feb. 2, 2016, 4:51pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Ok, here's what I can remember off the top of my head-
Wide Whale is a reference to Tobias Whale, an enemy of the DC character Black Lightning
Warriana's armor only has a covering for 1 breast (which Brock alludes to under the influence of the truth lasso) and in myths, Amazons warriors would cut one breast off to improve fighting abilities (Warriana being based off of Wonder Woman)
Hank's outfit and moves when he ziplines to the aquatic girl are reminiscent of John McClane in Die Hard.

Plenty more but these are what come to mind right now.
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Feb. 2, 2016, 4:50am
Rusty's new jet is the Avenger's Quinjet. The J-bot lays down some Bot-Fu moves ala Sonny in "I, Robot". A bespoke suit recalls "Kingsmen" (although I'm not sure Rusty's bespoke speedsuit is bulletproof).
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Feb. 2, 2016, 11:46am
Oh, and Night Dick's fire-breathing motorcycle that can climb vertical walls is from Ghost Rider (another Marvel reference).
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Feb. 2, 2016, 12:04pm
Hank's "used" jacket was worn by Steve McQueen in the movie "Le Mans" (but it appears Hank has had the Gulf Oil patch replaced by a Venture-Tech patch).
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Feb. 4, 2016, 2:34pm
  • by Captain V
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I loved that Helper killed that particular J-bot at the end! Alas, I'm sure there are more J-bots waiting in the wing. Poor Helper.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 10:51am
  • by Captain V
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I also loved that an Adult Swim bump acknowledged the fact that at the current rate, season seven will likely happen... in 2021... on the international soap opera network.

Basically, AS stated (in a nice way) that the J & D need to streamline the production process or the show will end... but don't worry yet, b/c season 7 is in the works.

Yay!!! Go V Deep!!!
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Feb. 1, 2016, 10:59am
  • by harrowedmind
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My favorite part of the episode by far is when the Monarch tries the retinal scanner and for a split second you think you might find another clue of the Monarchs and Docs past until the alarm goes off.
"We are traped in the elevator with the Devil. Like that movie.. Devil!"
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Feb. 1, 2016, 4:13pm
And then after you see it doesn't work it's just so wonderfully stupid that Monarch would even try.
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Feb. 1, 2016, 4:38pm
Thought it would be a Mirai Nikke reference [What?--Ed.]--a character who you do not think can use a retinal scanner does which is a major point--where we learn that Rusty and The Monarch[!--Ed.] are twins or something.

Hilarious tease from J & D!
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Feb. 2, 2016, 12:12am
  • by Kamen Writer
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Maaaaaan, the Fallen Arches guy`s gimmick was pure effin excellence. The lopped off Amazon breast reality was also choice 10 striped spiders over Texas salute! Phage`s threat.
As usual, great gestalt characters, like the OSI throw aways. Come back ya NY Doll stupor freaks!
Hope there`s a review this season of the latest Bowie. Doc & J.P. have similar tastes to me, & maybe it`s a better cd than the snap meh served via promo vid. I dont trust my friends at this point much less the reviews. Asking a lot, but ya know, Spongebob was a voice kick in the ribs. Bowie blew it (printed on his urn no less).
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Feb. 2, 2016, 12:04pm
  • by ataxia
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what

if you're asking for an opinion on blackstar, it was dope

if you think blackstar wasn't dope i'm sorry
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Feb. 2, 2016, 2:07pm
  • by Kamen Writer
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Haven`t enjoyed anything thoroughly since Heathen. Snips here & there. However doing Bowie tribute tomorrow in Tokyo at 16rpm speed. Show up guys!
  • 0
Feb. 2, 2016, 8:02pm
Oddly, I found Hostile Makeover flat and not particularly interesting. I mean it had some interesting bits but...
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Feb. 2, 2016, 9:09pm
The Men will come to collect you shortly.
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Feb. 5, 2016, 2:52am
Fantastic! Best thing is Doc's song at the beginning - "Rusty's back on top now!"... Immediately renewed my excitement and love for this show after 3 years. Hilarious. Great episode!
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Feb. 3, 2016, 12:22am
  • by LL
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I won't re-hash all of the points made above. Instead, I'll just list a few of my observations and questions about the episode:

1. I loved the idea that Hank--who has always worn Aquaman pajamas--is smitten with a real-life semi-aquatic girl, while Dean--who has always worn Spider-man pajamas--is hanging out with Brown Widow.
2. What's going to happen with Orpheus, Dermott, Billy, and Pete White? They were completely absent from the episode, and I'm wondering how much we'll see them going forward. Are they still living in the Southwest? If so, how will their paths cross with those of the Ventures? I like all of those characters, so I hope that Jackson and Doc find ways to work them into the remaining episodes.
3. I loved Wide Wale. A super-villain based on a pun about corduroy? Only Jackson and Doc. Oh, and I love how Wide Wale's beef with Rusty seems to be based solely on the broken window incident.

That's all I can think of right now.
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Feb. 3, 2016, 9:51am
White and Billy will show up, going off of the S6 previews but Dr. O and Dermott will not likely be seen this season..
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Feb. 3, 2016, 10:47am
With a flaming demon going after Rusty's soul I think we can assume that Doc O will be called in to deal with it...
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Feb. 3, 2016, 7:52pm
  • by Paul
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Sadly, there will be none of Doctor Orpheus.

http://www.themarysue.com/interview-venture-bros-jackson-publick-s6/

The important bit:

Publick: I don’t know that Triana is necessarily gone forever, because Orpheus isn’t gone forever. He, unfortunately doesn’t make an appearance this season, but he’ll be back. And we intend to fold our most dear supporting characters back into it. We did have a story for him, but we just didn’t get to it.
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Feb. 4, 2016, 2:53pm
Bummer! Especially with Dr. Strange coming later this year and the way they're playing up Avengers. He will be missed.
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Feb. 4, 2016, 7:26pm
  • by Peter G
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When Night Dick says "He laughed at the name," what does Stars and Garters reply? I couldn't make it out.
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Feb. 4, 2016, 4:54pm
He just says "keep telling ya, man"
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Feb. 4, 2016, 7:25pm
  • by Captain V
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One of Jackson's finest episodes.
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Feb. 8, 2016, 12:43am
Oh goodness the long wait is over. I was already insom-maniacal the night s6 started so i saw no reason not to watch the episode twice. Much love as always to J.G. Thirwell and the sound designers. Do yourselves a favor, folks, watch the show with headphones sometime!

I feel like there is another shoe yet to drop connecting Warianna and the website the Warrington Post: perhaps run in the venture-verse not by Arianna Huffington but by... Warianna Warrington?

When she leaves, she addresses Brock as "Gargarean." YOU KNOW! The all-male tribe the Amazons have sex with annually.
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Feb. 8, 2016, 9:10pm
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