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Self-Medication Discussion
Good evening, fellas. It's time for your weekly episode discussion thread! This week's episode is of course Self-Medication which features guest voices from John Hodgman (The Daily Show), Seth Green (Robot Chicken), Patton Oswalt (Ratatouille) and Brendan Small (Metalocalypse, Home Movies). As always the comments will contain spoilers, so enter at your own risk. Enjoy!
Update (11/23 12:30am) - You can rate the episode on the capsule page by the way.
Update (11/23 4:38pm) - The episode is up on Adult Swim Video. Go!
Update (11/23 12:30am) - You can rate the episode on the capsule page by the way.
Update (11/23 4:38pm) - The episode is up on Adult Swim Video. Go!
- by hanktinyfeet
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i cant remember...in the past ive almost invariably liked doc written episodes better than jackson ones. however this season return to malice and revenge society have been my least favorite. but i loved this one, and while not suprised to hear moaning coming from hatred haters, i thought it would be a little quieter this week since i found this episode to have the freshest take on hatred's issues in a while. i thought his plotline completely held up to rustys, in humor as well as substance even if it was hank and the henchmen carrying it in terms of humor. Hatred def made strides this wk, which for all you double Hs should be encouraging, since that most certainly means his time as a focal point in the series progression is almost up.
- by Joey Michaels
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- by ThunderBolt
- (unregistered id: 05957DAB5C)
Can't believe I caught this the first time around. The Monarch killing the counselor with a snake through a vent seems to be coming from the Sherlock Homes mystery "The Adventure of the Speckled Band" where the answer to the mystery was a snake coming in through the vent and down a bell call cord.
- by dk archer
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Yes! I was honestly surprised when Jonny said 'two step viper' instead of 'swamp adder', but as the Adventure of the Speckled Band is known as Sherlock Holmes' biggest failure it is appropriate (it's more Doyle's failure, but) Does anyone know if two step viper is from anything?
- by Jory
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Seriously! Why does everybody dislike the episodes I love, and vice-versa? I thought Revenge Society was the worst of the season by a wide margin so far, and yet there it is with a rating pretty far above everything but Blood of the Father, and Self-Medication is at the bottom...
- by Roscoe.
- (unregistered id: 3575AEFCB1)
Wow, So much good in this episode, Mixed with so much......how to put it....Not-great.
Allright already, We Get it ! -PEDOPHILIA- That is one joke that has LONG since run it's corse for me. Call me crazy, but the raping of children isn't funny to begin with, and when it's in our faces in every episode, it gets more than a little tiring.
On the other hand, the Rusty plot was AMAZING! I love the idea of a support group for boy adventurers, hillarious! and the Scary-o-nette, brilliant, with an even more brilliant name. The batman style barfight was really great too. That said though, this episode just didn't click for me. I just realized i only laughed once the entire time; Last week I was cracking up.....so that's a let down.
Well anyway, Enough of my bitching. I really hope the next two episodes end our little half-season on a high note. Maybe with some Triad, Brock, Triana, or Molatov to mix things up a little. It seams like the season is a little flat and one-note, so to speak.
Allright already, We Get it ! -PEDOPHILIA- That is one joke that has LONG since run it's corse for me. Call me crazy, but the raping of children isn't funny to begin with, and when it's in our faces in every episode, it gets more than a little tiring.
On the other hand, the Rusty plot was AMAZING! I love the idea of a support group for boy adventurers, hillarious! and the Scary-o-nette, brilliant, with an even more brilliant name. The batman style barfight was really great too. That said though, this episode just didn't click for me. I just realized i only laughed once the entire time; Last week I was cracking up.....so that's a let down.
Well anyway, Enough of my bitching. I really hope the next two episodes end our little half-season on a high note. Maybe with some Triad, Brock, Triana, or Molatov to mix things up a little. It seams like the season is a little flat and one-note, so to speak.
- by Johnny Israel
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You know, I'm usually out here defending Hatred, because I've liked seeing him grow. I can laugh at the pedo jokes, and usually do. I liked seeing him grow as a character, but I just found myself annoyed with him this episode. Maybe I was very immersed in Rusty's plot and felt the Hatred side plot was a stupid distraction from it, I don't know...while I loved certain aspects from this episode, it all together didn't do it for me. I'm hoping for the end of Hatred, the Return of Brock, and I too would like some Triad or Triana action. Also more on what the hell is going on with 24 is of interest to me as well.
- by RW
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I'm with you guys on this episode. I loved Rusty's plot and hope Hatred runs his course soon and hopefully takes that trip to Thailand never to be heard from again..except probably once in season 5. Especially now, with the boys takin care of themselves for the most part, just drop the bodyguard altogether if the only way to develop his character is by making him sweat and scream about his pedo urges. And when are Dr. O and Brock going to return? I've seen the rumors on here about Orpheus in ep. 8, but has Patrick Warburton left [as] altogether?
Anyways. I can't wait to see how the rest of the season unfolds
Anyways. I can't wait to see how the rest of the season unfolds
- by Creepy Crooner
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Don't worry. In his blog, Joackson clearly stated that Brock's absence from the majority of episodes in season 4.1 has nothing to do with Patrick Warburton and everything to do with the writing of the show. There is a chance he'll be back in the final ep of the half-season as Jackson only commented that he would be back but not next week or the week after that (this was written last week, of course).
- by Mike
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- by dk archer
- (unregistered id: 4A4135A305)
I'm apparently a minority in finding Hatred a likable character. His pedophilia is not so much a running gag as it is a severe character flaw that seems in keeping with the Venture theme and universe, and unlike most characters in the series he is actually attempting to improve himself and keep himself in check. And even if you can fnd no appreciation for him except strained comic relief, his replacing Brock has allowed for a lot of character development in the boys. Brock treated them like children. Hatred at least offers them opportunities for growth.
- by mogo
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I agree. as you saw, if this was the same hatred that "took advantage" of the boys just a few years ago, he wouldn't of locked himself up. He had every oprtunity for a relapse and didn't, he instead got himself away. But his solution was horrible but he was just trying to help. I do not like child molestastion but at least hatred's trying to be a good person.
- by Doncocor
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I keep reading about how this season isn't as good as the previous and I can't understand why you guys are saying that. I mean, this season is way better than
season 3 and the boys have been in every episode. There's been lots of funny
moments and the season contains more funny episodes than season 3. I know
that it's going to be hard to top season 1 and 2 but this one is still good and again,
better than the third one in my opinion.
Anyway, I just had to get this out of my chest.
season 3 and the boys have been in every episode. There's been lots of funny
moments and the season contains more funny episodes than season 3. I know
that it's going to be hard to top season 1 and 2 but this one is still good and again,
better than the third one in my opinion.
Anyway, I just had to get this out of my chest.
- by Creepy Crooner
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I also agree. This season has been arguably the best season thus far. The people who complain about this season are the ones that can't seem to get past the fact that Brock hasn't been around and therefore are annoyed by the (hilarious) presence of Hatred. The fact that some of these people can't get past this and take in all the wonderful comedy is a shame.
- by Roscoe
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It's not that we hate the hatred, that it hasn't been funny, or even that we are so 'Brock obsessed' that we don't like the show without him.
It's that the season seems stale. There's been no variety. It's been primarily "Compound Humor" and hatred's struggle with pedophelia. It's just gotten bland. As I mentioned above, even if we could get some different familliar faces back into the fray, it would help. But it's all Doc, Boys, Hatred, and Monarch over and over.
Don't get me wrong, that's "Core Stuff" and it's my favorite; but We've had no Molatov, no brock, no triana, no Triad, no O.S.I. no origonal Team Venture, and only very brief shots of Billy thrown in. Not even H.E.L.P.e.R. has been seen since ep. 1
Maybe that's all we've missing; Soulbot.
It's that the season seems stale. There's been no variety. It's been primarily "Compound Humor" and hatred's struggle with pedophelia. It's just gotten bland. As I mentioned above, even if we could get some different familliar faces back into the fray, it would help. But it's all Doc, Boys, Hatred, and Monarch over and over.
Don't get me wrong, that's "Core Stuff" and it's my favorite; but We've had no Molatov, no brock, no triana, no Triad, no O.S.I. no origonal Team Venture, and only very brief shots of Billy thrown in. Not even H.E.L.P.e.R. has been seen since ep. 1
Maybe that's all we've missing; Soulbot.
- by Creepy Crooner
- (unregistered id: C0BBF56792)
I personally find the developments this season to be the opposite of stale. If anything, everything was getting a little stale in season 3 (not in a bad way though, as this was a calculated part of the plot and character development) which is why Brock quit on the Ventures in the first place (more or less). Getting rid of the clones and Brock (at least within the family dynamic) has allowed the boys, along with Doc and Hatred, to really grow as characters. The relationships between Doc and the boys and the boys and their bodyguard have finally broken out of the original humorous trappings of the shows initial set up!
So far this season, we have been treated to, as you said, "core stuff" but all given decidedly new spins and because of this, and the comedy that comes from it, side characters have not been needed to fall back on.
Also, amidst the "compound humor" we have been introduced to hilarious characters like Captain Sunshine, the superhero news team, Scorpio, all the washed-up boy adventurers, two of the Guild councilmen, the deranged Dean clone, Hitler the dog, etc.
Jackson had stated that this season they wanted to get back to basics and thus we haven't seen the mythology and side-character heavy "flashback" episodes that dominated season 3. Personally, while I enjoyed season 3 very much, I do believe that so far, season 4 is a brilliant return to form for the show.
So far this season, we have been treated to, as you said, "core stuff" but all given decidedly new spins and because of this, and the comedy that comes from it, side characters have not been needed to fall back on.
Also, amidst the "compound humor" we have been introduced to hilarious characters like Captain Sunshine, the superhero news team, Scorpio, all the washed-up boy adventurers, two of the Guild councilmen, the deranged Dean clone, Hitler the dog, etc.
Jackson had stated that this season they wanted to get back to basics and thus we haven't seen the mythology and side-character heavy "flashback" episodes that dominated season 3. Personally, while I enjoyed season 3 very much, I do believe that so far, season 4 is a brilliant return to form for the show.
- by mogo
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I once again agree, while the thrid season had plenty of good stuff, every episode this years been golds. There's only been what 2 flashbacks and both were well used. and the charicters have grown signifigantly, with rusty realizing that his father may of screwed him up but he turned out alright. it just took boy adventures way worse off than him to realize it.
- by Jory
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Few things:
I don't know if this was immediately obvious to everyone but me, but I thought I'd point out that the Hale Brothers' name is derived from the phrase "Hale & Hearty", with the Bros. being an obvious parody of the Hardy Boys.
Also, several crowd shots at the movie theater continue the series' trend of having only a few stock background characters, with numerous models returning for brief appearances: the woman who sold Dean his speed-suit, the woman who thinks Pez taste like soap, Sky, several of the children from Ice Station Impossible, and even one of the foul-mouthed rednecks from Return to Spider-Skull Island.
I don't know if this was immediately obvious to everyone but me, but I thought I'd point out that the Hale Brothers' name is derived from the phrase "Hale & Hearty", with the Bros. being an obvious parody of the Hardy Boys.
Also, several crowd shots at the movie theater continue the series' trend of having only a few stock background characters, with numerous models returning for brief appearances: the woman who sold Dean his speed-suit, the woman who thinks Pez taste like soap, Sky, several of the children from Ice Station Impossible, and even one of the foul-mouthed rednecks from Return to Spider-Skull Island.
- by vein train
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hardy* memendez hale bros
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyle_and_Erik_Menendez
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyle_and_Erik_Menendez
- by Joe
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OK, so Hank and Dean lure Hatred out, blast him with a net cannon ( I love how smoothly Dean handles the recoil on that cannon) and then a bunch of Monarch henchmen tranq him into la-la land.....but why? Just to tranq him and give him a few hours of chemical bliss that alcohol apparently couldn't accomplish? Or...something else? What?
- by Bill
- (unregistered id: E11BA8B324)
- by Joey Michaels
- (unregistered id: A029929C8A)
I've been trying to figure out why I like Sgt. Hatred. I think part of it is that he seems to genuinely want to be a better person. He provides a kind of interesting contrast with Dr. Venture, who has no desire to be any better.
He's like those big, drunken characters in fantasy movies. Not necessarily bright, but big hearted and loyal to a fault. Unlike Brock (who is still my favorite VB character), he isn't the slightest bit conflicted about being Dr. Venture's body guard. He seems to love the job and the responsibility, even if he isn't especially good at it.
Also, he has that great line at the end of last season about eating a Labrador Retriever.
I do think that some of the child molester business has been a bit overplayed (the whole "boy-girl" thing this week was a little over-the-top, even for Sgt Hatred), but I think that this week's encounter between Rusty and Dr. Z suggests that there is hope for all of the characters, if they can find a way to pull themselves away from their obsessions. It would be nice to see Sgt. Hatred achieve a certain level of redemption - which, of course, would mean they'd have to kill him right after he achieved it.
He's like those big, drunken characters in fantasy movies. Not necessarily bright, but big hearted and loyal to a fault. Unlike Brock (who is still my favorite VB character), he isn't the slightest bit conflicted about being Dr. Venture's body guard. He seems to love the job and the responsibility, even if he isn't especially good at it.
Also, he has that great line at the end of last season about eating a Labrador Retriever.
I do think that some of the child molester business has been a bit overplayed (the whole "boy-girl" thing this week was a little over-the-top, even for Sgt Hatred), but I think that this week's encounter between Rusty and Dr. Z suggests that there is hope for all of the characters, if they can find a way to pull themselves away from their obsessions. It would be nice to see Sgt. Hatred achieve a certain level of redemption - which, of course, would mean they'd have to kill him right after he achieved it.
- by Adam Warlock
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Man, I hate Hatred!! Please let him die a most ignoble death. I mean really, wasn't he supposed to be this bad ass? Has he even punched anybody yet? I liked him better when he shot Doc with rubber bullets. (We have a bleeder here) That's precious. Now, he's just creepy, and not in a good Venturestein kind of way.
- by Creepy Crooner
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Dude. To jump the shark is to resort to a plotline that is silly and/or out-of-place due to your show having ostensibly exhausted all other options. The mere fact that a handful of people are hating on Hatred (for whatever reason, as he is obviously hilarious and fits into the madness perfectly) does not qualify his inclusion as shark jumpery in the least.
Consider heat taken =)
Consider heat taken =)
- by no.22
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I'm with you, CreepyCroo.
I honestly hate the comparison...I don't think alot of people understand the gross degree the show would have to degrade to before it was even fair to compare it to Chachi's introductory-era. To "jump the shark" is to continue "beating the dead horse" even after its been processed, canned, fed to your pooch, and put right back into mother nature.
...I'll abide the comparison once we see Hatred stomping mounds of Scamp's scat out on the Venture Complex lawn.
I honestly hate the comparison...I don't think alot of people understand the gross degree the show would have to degrade to before it was even fair to compare it to Chachi's introductory-era. To "jump the shark" is to continue "beating the dead horse" even after its been processed, canned, fed to your pooch, and put right back into mother nature.
...I'll abide the comparison once we see Hatred stomping mounds of Scamp's scat out on the Venture Complex lawn.
- by GilbertSmith
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The Hatred development is great, you're all nuts! Hank and Dean are what gives him validation in life right now, they're all that's keeping him going. He loves them and wants them to love him, but he has a weakness that jeopardizes everything for him. If you just can't look past the pedophilia and take him serious as a sympathetic character, pretend he's a werewolf or something.
It's not just pedophile cheap shots. I find it incredibly sympathetic, and I think that, if you're paying attention to the themes being developed in this season, you can see why Hatred is such an important piece of the puzzle.
It's not just pedophile cheap shots. I find it incredibly sympathetic, and I think that, if you're paying attention to the themes being developed in this season, you can see why Hatred is such an important piece of the puzzle.
- by Jory
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Thanks, man. I really feel like Hatred needs some support. I think he's just terrific and think that his issues with pedophilia are presented with real sympathy. The show's a comedy, so it's never going to be something to cry bitter tears over, but I actually think they treat it as a real problem and in a more sympathetic light than they're willing to shed on most other characters.
It seems to me that people who think Hatred is a one-note "PEDOPHILIA LOL" gag simply aren't paying attention to the show. I can't think of any other explanation.
It seems to me that people who think Hatred is a one-note "PEDOPHILIA LOL" gag simply aren't paying attention to the show. I can't think of any other explanation.
- by Creepy Crooner
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I agree except that I actually think that the reason people hate Hatred so is because he has "replaced" Brock (who is almost everyone's favorite character, or among them at very least). Seems people have been lashing out at him much like Hank does within the context of the show (which is a hilarious development as life imitates art in this case) or like a kid lashes out at his new step parent when they "replace" the biological life-giver.
What people need to realize is that he is not replacing Brock in the show as a character. Brock still exists in the Ventureverse. Have some damn patience people! He'll be back.
In classic Doc and Jackson form, Hatred has progressed into a hilariously sympathetic character (as stated above) with all the pedo humor whisked in.
What people need to realize is that he is not replacing Brock in the show as a character. Brock still exists in the Ventureverse. Have some damn patience people! He'll be back.
In classic Doc and Jackson form, Hatred has progressed into a hilariously sympathetic character (as stated above) with all the pedo humor whisked in.
- by Joey Michaels
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Agreed. re: Hating Hatred because he "replaced" Brock.
I think the point is that he can't replace Brock, but he really, really wants to. That's actually part of what makes the character sort of lovable. The fact that Hank and Dean were genuinely trying to help the guy at the end (albeit in a misguided sort of way) made it even more touching, after a fashion. Dean especially really wants Hatred to be all right - its as if Hatred has filled the dog-Hitler shaped hole in his heart.
I think the point is that he can't replace Brock, but he really, really wants to. That's actually part of what makes the character sort of lovable. The fact that Hank and Dean were genuinely trying to help the guy at the end (albeit in a misguided sort of way) made it even more touching, after a fashion. Dean especially really wants Hatred to be all right - its as if Hatred has filled the dog-Hitler shaped hole in his heart.
- by The Mysterious 'H'
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Hatred's a tricky situation, that's for sure. He was originally created as a creepy guy and acted as such in Cremation Creek. But then Doc and Jackson basically reinvented him as comic relief and then as another in the long line of failures in the world of Venture Brothers. It can be hard to see Hatred for the role he's currently playing instead of one of his previous roles. I think we need to give him more time to figure out who he is and what he's there for.
- by Creepy Crooner
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Well said! Doc and Jackson (Jackson in particular I think) is fond of taking characters that began as humorous references, introducing them as actual characters and developing them. Brendon Small's Hatred was indeed much creepier and pretty much meant as a pure joke. He has now become one of the major characters in the series and people should regard him as such - as opposed to a minor joke character that is "ruining" their precious show.
- by mogo
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After a few scattred comments it's time for my full undivided opinion of this episode.
*The group therepay with an all star voice cast was awesome. from old-wonderboy to the hales to the triumphant return of action johnny, this was gem. Besides the touching moment of ro-boy finding a family for poor infertile dr.z and mrs.z, the whole group spit out hilarious lines. Action Johnny has seemed to regain a sense of sanity but is still unstabel and fun. And on a side note i'd like to say that sgt.hatreds storyline was alright. I felt for the poor guy. I also liked the suprise ending. overall an awesome episode.
*The group therepay with an all star voice cast was awesome. from old-wonderboy to the hales to the triumphant return of action johnny, this was gem. Besides the touching moment of ro-boy finding a family for poor infertile dr.z and mrs.z, the whole group spit out hilarious lines. Action Johnny has seemed to regain a sense of sanity but is still unstabel and fun. And on a side note i'd like to say that sgt.hatreds storyline was alright. I felt for the poor guy. I also liked the suprise ending. overall an awesome episode.
- by Joey Michaels
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Two things while I'm thinking about it:
1) I wonder which Wonderboy we encountered here? Was he the original? One of the replacements?
2) I believe Mrs. Z mentioned that she was Dr. Z's beard. Did she actually say that or did I miss something? Because if she is his beard, it obviously puts a different spin on everything he said.
1) I wonder which Wonderboy we encountered here? Was he the original? One of the replacements?
2) I believe Mrs. Z mentioned that she was Dr. Z's beard. Did she actually say that or did I miss something? Because if she is his beard, it obviously puts a different spin on everything he said.
- by Creepy Crooner
- (unregistered id: C0BBF56792)
Dr. Z makes this remark due to the fact that his wife appears to be younger than him (in terms of looks). She is a tall, voluptuous woman who could be considered attractive while the Dr. appears as an old shrivelled man. There isn't much to it really, beyond casual conversation.
- by jackel
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beard
sorry i jumped to conclusions. it just means a gay man with a woman posing as his lover to make him appear normal.
blonde girl with hair in her face is my favorite background character.
sorry i jumped to conclusions. it just means a gay man with a woman posing as his lover to make him appear normal.
blonde girl with hair in her face is my favorite background character.
- by Creepy Crooner
- (unregistered id: C0BBF56792)
For anyone who enjoyed all the washed-up boy adventurers and Dr. Z storyline, you should check out the novel The Boy Detective Fails by Joe Meno. I read it a few years back after Jackson recommended it. It is a wonderful book that is touching, sad, hilarious and creepy. It also served as one of the main inspirations for the inception of the Venture Bros.
This episode comes closest to dealing directly with the book's subject matter and does so in an ingenious and purely Venture-ish fashion.
This episode comes closest to dealing directly with the book's subject matter and does so in an ingenious and purely Venture-ish fashion.
- by Creepy Crooner
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Call of bullshit accepted. I guess it was more of a continuing inspiration for the show than an initial one. The book was published in '06 either prior to or concurrent with the production/airing of season 2. If you read the book it is very clear that it was a big inspiration to Jackson throughout the series starting with the second season. It has a much more melancholic tone than VB but the themes are dead-on.
- by Chris98vf
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Loved the whole episode here. Hatred was great and all of you people that hate him only because pedophilia is not funny need to realize this is a cartoon and not real life. I didn't watch this show and go, you know what, a Thai child sounds pretty good right about now. I laughed my ass off and I think it would seem more out of place if the pedo jokes were to end with no explanation. So to shorten this up. STFU and watch the damn show, all the eps are in the can and aren't going to change no matter how much you bitch about it.
Oh, best thing about Hatred is his bursting through every door and knocking it off the hinges. F'ing great!
Oh, best thing about Hatred is his bursting through every door and knocking it off the hinges. F'ing great!
- by Sparky
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- by Jess
- (unregistered id: 2A5F4E53C3)
Y'know, after watching the episode my girlfriend and I had a short little discussion about it. I would first like to say that I am totally sick of all the "Hatred Haters". Brock isn't "replaced" if anything he is temporarily "displaced" as the bodyguard of the Ventures. Yes, Ol' Hatred is royally fucking up, but my god. The biggest issue that I am having with the people who are hating on Hatred is simply . . .
They have issues with the pedophilia. Okay, I can understand that; I think it's creepy too. In "Self Medication" when he lost it and got hit with the net, I got kinda weird-ed out by him. Those who "hate" him. I've seen you on forums. Standing by, these people will defend the creepy and sadistic nature of the moppets or the druggy antics of "Action Johnny". Seriously. C'mon guys. Is it because crazy midgets (or dwarves, whatever) have been popularized as humorous? And, are you just desensitized to the whole "drug addict" theme? If anything, drug addiction is an "old joke" that has honestly started to grind on my nerves. I think it's funny, entertaining, and very interesting to take this new angle on pedophilia. Like it's an addiction that needs to be overcome by the addicted.
I think I gained a ass-load more of respect for Sgt. Hatred. I already thought he was a great character. If he dies off or gets cut out of the show, it'll be kind of a bummer. But, at least all the Effing Brocktards will shut their superficial mouths.
They have issues with the pedophilia. Okay, I can understand that; I think it's creepy too. In "Self Medication" when he lost it and got hit with the net, I got kinda weird-ed out by him. Those who "hate" him. I've seen you on forums. Standing by, these people will defend the creepy and sadistic nature of the moppets or the druggy antics of "Action Johnny". Seriously. C'mon guys. Is it because crazy midgets (or dwarves, whatever) have been popularized as humorous? And, are you just desensitized to the whole "drug addict" theme? If anything, drug addiction is an "old joke" that has honestly started to grind on my nerves. I think it's funny, entertaining, and very interesting to take this new angle on pedophilia. Like it's an addiction that needs to be overcome by the addicted.
I think I gained a ass-load more of respect for Sgt. Hatred. I already thought he was a great character. If he dies off or gets cut out of the show, it'll be kind of a bummer. But, at least all the Effing Brocktards will shut their superficial mouths.
- by Red Menace
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I'm chiming in a bit late, but I have really had it with Hatred. It has always been one joke. He was funny with the bad touch comments in season 2, and the pedo jokes in season 3. As for this season
Blood Of The Father- The only lines so far from Brock, Dr. O, and HELPER. OSI discusses Hatreds pedophilia and his attitude adjustment.
Hansom Ransom- Captain Sunshine's boy love and Hatreds pedophilia are the center of the story. Hatred considers sex with Billy. Pete White has 4 or 5 lines. The only appearance of our beloved pirate and the only mention of Jonas Jr so far.
Perchance To Dean- A small cast with a non speaking Brock. Dr Venture asks Hatred if he is sleeping with Hank. Hatred has kiddie porn on his computer and claims it is computer generated.
Return To Malice- The only appearance of the moppets. Hatred masturbating, deviant sex at Hatreds old house, but at least 21 is upset by Deans erection.
The Revenge Society- Hatred off the wagon, discusses pretty little boys and his affinity for "eggs",sex with Billy.One line from Dr Girlfriend.
Self Medication-a far more sedate Action Johnny returns. B story is Hatreds pedo break down.
No Baron Underbhite, Hitler girl, Catclops, Jonas Jr, Dr impossible, Sally Impossible, Ned, Triana, Jefferson, Alchemist, Action man, Col. Gentleman, Kano, Otto, Dr Entman, Dr. Killinger, King Gorilla, Torrid , Truckules , and a load more. I hope this is all an instance of ,"It was really funny in the writers room" and not the boys trying to tell us something
Blood Of The Father- The only lines so far from Brock, Dr. O, and HELPER. OSI discusses Hatreds pedophilia and his attitude adjustment.
Hansom Ransom- Captain Sunshine's boy love and Hatreds pedophilia are the center of the story. Hatred considers sex with Billy. Pete White has 4 or 5 lines. The only appearance of our beloved pirate and the only mention of Jonas Jr so far.
Perchance To Dean- A small cast with a non speaking Brock. Dr Venture asks Hatred if he is sleeping with Hank. Hatred has kiddie porn on his computer and claims it is computer generated.
Return To Malice- The only appearance of the moppets. Hatred masturbating, deviant sex at Hatreds old house, but at least 21 is upset by Deans erection.
The Revenge Society- Hatred off the wagon, discusses pretty little boys and his affinity for "eggs",sex with Billy.One line from Dr Girlfriend.
Self Medication-a far more sedate Action Johnny returns. B story is Hatreds pedo break down.
No Baron Underbhite, Hitler girl, Catclops, Jonas Jr, Dr impossible, Sally Impossible, Ned, Triana, Jefferson, Alchemist, Action man, Col. Gentleman, Kano, Otto, Dr Entman, Dr. Killinger, King Gorilla, Torrid , Truckules , and a load more. I hope this is all an instance of ,"It was really funny in the writers room" and not the boys trying to tell us something
- by Creepy Crooner
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What are you complaining about? Venture Bros is a comedy show based around jokes, characters and situations relevant to the current storyline. It is not an endless parade of side characters and cameos meant to placate twitchy fanboys. If Doc and Jackson ever resort to that type of idiocy then the show actually WILL have jumped the shark and we might as well be watching Family Guy or some such drivel.
Instead of complaining about the season via a laundry list of your favorite characters come and gone, why don't you thank the cartoon powers that be for providing us with a show that is actually thoughtfully written and executed.
Instead of complaining about the season via a laundry list of your favorite characters come and gone, why don't you thank the cartoon powers that be for providing us with a show that is actually thoughtfully written and executed.
- by Mike
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You do realize that Dr. O was in only four episodes last season, right? And Prof. Impossible has been in exactly one episode per season and Underbheit has shown up like three times ever. Torrid? Truckulese? King Gorilla? Those are all throw-away characters! You are being ridiculous! Does anyone actually like Catclops and Girl Hitler?
- by no.22
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Two things I've noticed:
1. You don't like the Sgt. Hatred pedo-humor.
2. You found reprieve in the perky-pitched-tent of a teenage boy's spiderman pajamas.
(Truckules is supposed to be a suggestion for VB betterment? Go for hallucenagenic engine coolant gasses, or Manotaur -- he at least had a good gag affiliated with him.)
1. You don't like the Sgt. Hatred pedo-humor.
2. You found reprieve in the perky-pitched-tent of a teenage boy's spiderman pajamas.
(Truckules is supposed to be a suggestion for VB betterment? Go for hallucenagenic engine coolant gasses, or Manotaur -- he at least had a good gag affiliated with him.)
- by Mr.X
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You know what I found weird in this episode. I now don't like Dean and Hank in their original outfits that they wore this episode. I find it creepy now that they have grown up so much, god, the blue jumpsuits at least look slightly more mature on them. I was just creeped out. haha
I still love Hatred and I feel he and Dean are going to have some good bonding time coming up. dean has such an invested interest in helping Hatred solve his problems its nice to see.
Umm....I love Action Johnny and think his addictions are hilarious with the monkey paw and voodoo dust, and I really like Dr.Z. I hope everyone from this episode makes more reappearances. And damn! I want H.E.L.P. eR back! He is awesome and i loved his walking spider body!
P.S. Does anyone else miss the opening theme and credits? The first episode for this season had one and it was awesome, they got to bring it back, that gives it a classic Venture Bros. feel, am I right!
I still love Hatred and I feel he and Dean are going to have some good bonding time coming up. dean has such an invested interest in helping Hatred solve his problems its nice to see.
Umm....I love Action Johnny and think his addictions are hilarious with the monkey paw and voodoo dust, and I really like Dr.Z. I hope everyone from this episode makes more reappearances. And damn! I want H.E.L.P. eR back! He is awesome and i loved his walking spider body!
P.S. Does anyone else miss the opening theme and credits? The first episode for this season had one and it was awesome, they got to bring it back, that gives it a classic Venture Bros. feel, am I right!
- by Creepy Crooner
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While the opening credit sequence has always been awesome, I'm pretty sure we all would rather have an extra minute or two of actual episode (like we currently have). This happens in many shows and is more or less a good thing. If you miss the opening so much, pop in a DVD from season 1 or 2.
- by Hardy
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I'm with you Mr. X, every episode I've been disappointed to have no opening sequence (to me, the first one doesn't count as being a one-time opening like season 2 and 3 premier episodes had). I'd really love to have a new one, even if it's only half as long as the old (new twist to old theme music?).
- by vein train
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so which cartoon pedophile is creepiest?
south park one
family guy one
the historical greek ones
or the VB one?
Hatred is an ADORABLE sipping skipping record pedophile! stay drunk at ease soldier. would be great if he showed his other skills, like playing the uke and speaking russian to soviet chimp/dog/crustacian astronauts. that would probably end in a broken instrument and a random nuke drop somewhere though. maybe its best he stay drunk and cry leaning against the wall.
lots of guys with massive tats do this a lot i've noticed.
south park one
family guy one
the historical greek ones
or the VB one?
Hatred is an ADORABLE sipping skipping record pedophile! stay drunk at ease soldier. would be great if he showed his other skills, like playing the uke and speaking russian to soviet chimp/dog/crustacian astronauts. that would probably end in a broken instrument and a random nuke drop somewhere though. maybe its best he stay drunk and cry leaning against the wall.
lots of guys with massive tats do this a lot i've noticed.
- by i agree on the hatred dislike
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you know I really like Hatred as a character, I like the fact that he is so over emotional and ridiculous. What is getting old and is in poor taste as can be is Pedo "gag" that has predominated this whole season. It's a huge let down and lazy to boot. Why do Jackson and Doc feel its funny that there is a character whose only role is to mug for jokes about pedophilia for six episodes? I can see this as a one off or an aside but its #@#!#!#! ridiculous and just boring at this point.
If Hatred was actually a character rather than a bunch of phrases built around a completely innapropriate joke I might like Him, but there's nothing to him, no backstory, no action, nothing. Just the same joke every episode
Either there is some big joke coming for all this patient with something that is meant to get on our nerves or this show is declining.
If Hatred was actually a character rather than a bunch of phrases built around a completely innapropriate joke I might like Him, but there's nothing to him, no backstory, no action, nothing. Just the same joke every episode
Either there is some big joke coming for all this patient with something that is meant to get on our nerves or this show is declining.
- by Creepy Crooner
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Um... what show have you been watching? I think you need to rewatch every episode this season, dude. Hatred has become far more than just a series of phrases built around pedophile jokes. The fact that they are treating his problem (and his quest for redemption) seriously while still milking it for laughs is a testament to Doc and Jackson's skills as comedy writers. The fact that you don't get this is a testament to the show going somewhere over your head.
- by ZJS
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What Roscoe said in regards to this season. I don't find this season stale (in concept) at all; in fact, Sgt. Hatred as bodyguard was one of the things I was anticipating the most, and in my opinion, one of the few things that's been consistently delivering this season. I feel like this season's been weak not just for a lack of variety, but for a lack of... development, plot or humor-wise. I mean, maybe its just me, since I thought Season 3 was the best season yet for the development and maturation that the show underwent. This season though, I just feel hasn't been as funny. In addition, the plots have kind of stagnated, "Perchance to Dean" and "The Revenge Society" in particular. Even "Return to Malice" i enjoyed, not so much for gutbusting humor, but for the incredible characterization and progression. I feel like "Self-Medication"was the first episode so far to achieve the balance the first 3 seasons did. The entire episodes ("Perchance" and "Revenge").... nothing really happened up until the end arrived, and it didn't satisfy in the interim with jokes. I mean, this show is still better than most of what's on TV, I just feel like it hasn't been living up to the standard it set for itself.
- by Creepy Crooner
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Mr. X, I am not here to make sure everyone's feelings remain unhurt. I respect actual opinions of the show.
"If Hatred was actually a character rather than a bunch of phrases built around a completely innapropriate joke I might like Him, but there's nothing to him, no backstory, no action, nothing. Just the same joke every episode"
this does not qualify as such. This is an ignorant statement that shows that whoever wrote it either hasn't actually been paying attention to the show or doesn't get it. I am merely pointing that out. Thank you for your concern, though. ;)
"If Hatred was actually a character rather than a bunch of phrases built around a completely innapropriate joke I might like Him, but there's nothing to him, no backstory, no action, nothing. Just the same joke every episode"
this does not qualify as such. This is an ignorant statement that shows that whoever wrote it either hasn't actually been paying attention to the show or doesn't get it. I am merely pointing that out. Thank you for your concern, though. ;)
- by cpc65
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Creepy, I think some people just don't like to feel like they're being talked down to as if you're the foremost authority on the show because you're the only one who sees things as Doc and Jackson intended. Unless you're actually one of them, your opinions and theories are no more or less valid then anyone else here until they are proven or disproved beyond mere interpretation. I do respect your opinions as much as any one else, but if someone doesn't "get it" then, oh well. Their loss.
BTW: You'd make a great Comic Book Guy. "Excuse me. I have a masters degree in folklore and mythology!"
BTW: You'd make a great Comic Book Guy. "Excuse me. I have a masters degree in folklore and mythology!"
- by Creepy Crooner
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If people make good points, even if I don't agree with them, I will respect those points. If people make asinine comments like the one I mentioned above then I will not. It is clear to me that "I agree on the hatred dislike"'s comment (that I cited above) falls squarely into the latter category. It has nothing to do with interpretation - this is not my opinion, this is fact. If you would like me to break down episode-by-episode how Hatred's character grows and why he is essential to the story at hand (both the overall themes of the season and in each individual ep) I can do that.
You are totally right - if someone doesn't get it then, oh well. I don;t understand why pointing out the fact is such a crime.
You are totally right - if someone doesn't get it then, oh well. I don;t understand why pointing out the fact is such a crime.
- by cpc65
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I think we'll pass on that for now, but thanks anyway for the offer.
I will assume that Hatred has finally hit rock bottom, so hopefully he will finally start on his true path to recovery. Or change his name to Major Failure. As others have stated, kudos to Hank and Dean for taking matters into their own hands.
I will assume that Hatred has finally hit rock bottom, so hopefully he will finally start on his true path to recovery. Or change his name to Major Failure. As others have stated, kudos to Hank and Dean for taking matters into their own hands.
- by GilbertSmith
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Saying you want Hatred without the pedophile jokes is like saying you want Johnny without the drug addiction jokes, Rusty without all the absent-minded father jokes, or Brock without him killing guys. Hatred is defined by his vulnerabilities and insecurities, and if you're a recovering pedophile, that ranks pretty high up on your list of insecurities. The only way they could get rid of the pedophile jokes and keep Hatred is to have pedophile non-jokes. Where he doesn't say funny stuff about it, he just goes "I have a problem, and it's terrible." and then VB would become a sad after-school special instead of a tragic comedy.
- by GilbertSmith
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If you don't want your opinions challenged, don't express them in public. Open discussion means that disagreements happen, and if you can't detect the depth there is to one of the major characters of this season, then the literal definition of what is happening is that it's "going over your head".
- by no.22
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If Hatred isn't your bag, thats fine, thats your opinion (and unfortunately one thats likely made it hard for you to enjoy this season so far).
I do, however, think you to be in error to criticize a lack of characterization as being the problem. We might actually have a little more insight into the personal life of Hatred than we've ever had for another popular second tier-character like White. Sure, everyone's favorite albino has been developed pretty evenly over three seasons, and we've come to know Hatred over a much shorter span of time.
Jackson and Doc based their initial Hatred off some creepy, gruff guy they happened across in a net-cafe surfing porn in public. Since his introduction, we've seen his penchant for showmanship as an exciteable arch and had an episode primarily set IN HIS HOUSE. Emotional instability, his sordid love life, unemployment and a tendancy towards the dramatic have all fleshed out the midlife crisis we've all winessed. Hes been shown as a compassionate, responsiblecaretaker for the boys, and serves as a very apt character foil to rusty. -Sorry you're not a fan, but you're misappropriated the problem to say its lack of development.
*I love the scene in the bathroom, as Hatred is frantically searching his pockets for more medicine, we see that he's acually been keeping one of Dean's Shrinky-Dinks. While I'm sure Dean would be just as likely to make one for Brock, only Hatred would carry it around with him :)
I do, however, think you to be in error to criticize a lack of characterization as being the problem. We might actually have a little more insight into the personal life of Hatred than we've ever had for another popular second tier-character like White. Sure, everyone's favorite albino has been developed pretty evenly over three seasons, and we've come to know Hatred over a much shorter span of time.
Jackson and Doc based their initial Hatred off some creepy, gruff guy they happened across in a net-cafe surfing porn in public. Since his introduction, we've seen his penchant for showmanship as an exciteable arch and had an episode primarily set IN HIS HOUSE. Emotional instability, his sordid love life, unemployment and a tendancy towards the dramatic have all fleshed out the midlife crisis we've all winessed. Hes been shown as a compassionate, responsiblecaretaker for the boys, and serves as a very apt character foil to rusty. -Sorry you're not a fan, but you're misappropriated the problem to say its lack of development.
*I love the scene in the bathroom, as Hatred is frantically searching his pockets for more medicine, we see that he's acually been keeping one of Dean's Shrinky-Dinks. While I'm sure Dean would be just as likely to make one for Brock, only Hatred would carry it around with him :)
- by hey there creepy crooner
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I don't really care if you think I am not "getting" the show in the way you think I should. Write your own damn show.
I don't care for Sgt Hatred, what's the big deal? "they are treating his problem seriously" ......no, no they are not. Just my opinion but we've all got 'em.
But hey to end this I'll agree with YOU.....maybe next season can be all about an alcoholic necrophiliac who drinks mouthwash when he's stressed out and is hired on to burn all the clone bodies-let the hilarity ensue!
I don't care for Sgt Hatred, what's the big deal? "they are treating his problem seriously" ......no, no they are not. Just my opinion but we've all got 'em.
But hey to end this I'll agree with YOU.....maybe next season can be all about an alcoholic necrophiliac who drinks mouthwash when he's stressed out and is hired on to burn all the clone bodies-let the hilarity ensue!
- by Creepy Crooner
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It's not the humor that is going over people's heads, it's the nuances of the character. The pedo jokes continue to be funny due to their context and the development of the character and his plot. Maybe this style of humor isn't your cup of tea? Fair enough, but anyone who honestly thinks that Hatred is just a series of one-liners and gags clearly does not "get it". That's not an opinion. That's just the way it is. It's the exact same thing as saying that Brock is just a series on gags based on killing people and being a badass.
- by Creepy Crooner
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No one is destroying anything. If you read through all this stuff you'll find that I am not the only one who feels this way nor am I the only one that calls others out on their opinions. Its super nice of you guys to come to the aide of our less mentally agile cohorts here on the boards, but you really are being hypocritical about it. You are free to disagree with me all you want AND you are free to ignore me if my attitude offends you. Likewise I can disagree as loudly as I please and *heaven forbid* even imply that some of you aren't "getting it"! *gasp!* which some of you clearly aren't.
Honestly I have no idea why so many people are so fragile here that they can't abide by my "domineering" attitude. I am confident in my opinions and if you are confident in yours than you needn't call me out. These kind of things aren't fun if you have to hold everybody's hand and tell them "it's okay... the mean man didn;t really mean it... your opinion IS valid... there there... etc." Grow some balls, get in the spirit and maybe come at me with an actual reason why my opinion is less valid than someone elses. Hmmm?
Honestly I have no idea why so many people are so fragile here that they can't abide by my "domineering" attitude. I am confident in my opinions and if you are confident in yours than you needn't call me out. These kind of things aren't fun if you have to hold everybody's hand and tell them "it's okay... the mean man didn;t really mean it... your opinion IS valid... there there... etc." Grow some balls, get in the spirit and maybe come at me with an actual reason why my opinion is less valid than someone elses. Hmmm?
- by Jess
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For the record: You're not being domineering, you're stating your opinion. Others are just getting all crappy about it because of the differences in said opinion. This is why flame-wars happen. I do agree with you. Some are just NOT grasping the concept of this whole Hatred thing. I think he's an awesome character, and he has done an admirable job of restraining himself this season. I totally get what you're saying about things "going over" people's heads, but I personally think the smaller changes in characters are escaping their radar. Sure, the pedo jokes can get to be a bit tiring. Like you said, though: Situational humor. You see this type of thing watching Seinfeld. Often, themes are recurring. But, I'm rambling. Point is, your point is valid and no, you're not the only one who this way.
- by Xoinx
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Bingo. Superficially, Brock is just a straight man, rarely demonstrating his earlier berserkism anymore--it was funny at the beginning, but we've seen him mature a lot since then, so it's been more rewarding to watch him think silently instead of act. And now that he's apparently pretty self-actualized, judging by his leanness, and having a blast kicking around with Hunter again, his lack of internal conflict would make him less interesting--and less Venturey.
I too miss my favorite characters (24, we hardly knew ye), but I'm enjoying this season a bit more than last overall. Now that most of the backstories have been told, we get to reap the benefits. I even like Hatred, although I don't understand how he made it in the OSI or the Guild--he's barely of henchman caliber.
Does anyone else recall a comment from Hammer or Publick (Hamlick?) from a recent con at which the subject of rape was ominously mentioned? I'm worried--Dean's barely sane as it is. Maybe they were talking about the violation of Billy, but I don't think so. It would be in accord with the show's theme of failure for Hatred to struggle and struggle, make a bit of progress--and then fail spectacularly.
I too miss my favorite characters (24, we hardly knew ye), but I'm enjoying this season a bit more than last overall. Now that most of the backstories have been told, we get to reap the benefits. I even like Hatred, although I don't understand how he made it in the OSI or the Guild--he's barely of henchman caliber.
Does anyone else recall a comment from Hammer or Publick (Hamlick?) from a recent con at which the subject of rape was ominously mentioned? I'm worried--Dean's barely sane as it is. Maybe they were talking about the violation of Billy, but I don't think so. It would be in accord with the show's theme of failure for Hatred to struggle and struggle, make a bit of progress--and then fail spectacularly.
- by cpc65
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While I did enjoy Hatred being the new Venture bodyguard at first, if we can't have Brock back anytime soon that is, I don't feel that he or his problems are worthy of a prolonged story arc. While I am pulling for him to overcome his issues, and even having him go back to being a top notch arch villain again when if he ever gets his act together, I agree with others that it's getting old and it has outlived the funny. Especially when it's a subject where the humor can a bit touchy (emotionally not physically that is).
If they made another character that was a habitual wife beater and made jokes about that over half a season, would we find that funny? “Hey, I only knocked out two of her teeth when I punched her. She's got plenty more left!â€
If they made another character that was a habitual wife beater and made jokes about that over half a season, would we find that funny? “Hey, I only knocked out two of her teeth when I punched her. She's got plenty more left!â€
- by cpc65
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Despite his comments, I still didn't feel that the Colonel was a wife beater. And even if he tried, Ms. Quymn looked like she could handle him.
Kiki is a young adult male.
His list doesn't mean he'd smack them himself. I'd still like to see that list though.
He hasn't suddenly become a main character on the show.
Kiki is a young adult male.
His list doesn't mean he'd smack them himself. I'd still like to see that list though.
He hasn't suddenly become a main character on the show.
- by GilbertSmith
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Nonetheless, it's undeniably jokes about domestic violence. Likewise, Hatred hasn't molested anyone since we've met him. The only incident we can verify took place before we ever saw him onscreen. It's also something he's ashamed of and trying to overcome. He's not a proud child rapist, he's someone who's trying not to be consumed by a serious problem, and that makes him incredibly sympathetic.
- by cpc65
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-it's undeniably jokes about domestic violence.-
Like "One of these days Alice. One of these days. Bam! Zoom! Straight to the moon!"
And let's not forget
"So tell me. Have you stopped beating your wife?"
Never understood why the audiences always roared with laughter at those "jems". I always found that aspect more horfifying than the jokes themselves. It's like, hello? Think about what you're laughing about for a second people. Would they still be laughing if Ralph really slugged her one and dropped her to the floor?
Like "One of these days Alice. One of these days. Bam! Zoom! Straight to the moon!"
And let's not forget
"So tell me. Have you stopped beating your wife?"
Never understood why the audiences always roared with laughter at those "jems". I always found that aspect more horfifying than the jokes themselves. It's like, hello? Think about what you're laughing about for a second people. Would they still be laughing if Ralph really slugged her one and dropped her to the floor?
- by Christy
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That's true, he seems to have been laying off the amphetamines as of late. The thing that differentiates his drug use from Action Jonny's is that while Rusty might be physically addicted to amphetamines, it hasn't taken over his personality.
Unlike Jonny, Dr. Venture has some coping mechanisms and he can deal with everyday life, however dysfunctional he might make it.
An addict yes, but not a junkie. Now that you mention it, I wonder if Killinger did get him off the diet pills?
Unlike Jonny, Dr. Venture has some coping mechanisms and he can deal with everyday life, however dysfunctional he might make it.
An addict yes, but not a junkie. Now that you mention it, I wonder if Killinger did get him off the diet pills?
- by Agent No
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I think Hatred is working fine as a character. He isn't supposed to "take Brock's place" as bodyguard, I think part of the point is he is supposed to not be as good as Brock. Like in Return to Malice when Hatred is going on about being a former villain and a pedo and Doc says "Why did I give you this job?", I believe that to be Hatred's point of being there, like Doc goes from the Swedish Murder Machine to a guy who could be awesome but is dealing with too many personal problems to do the job.
As far as the episode though, I thought Hatred reaching THAT level of rock bottom would have been better for The Revenge Society, it kind of distracted me from Doc's story. Then again, maybe it was supposed to. I dunno.
I liked it.
As far as the episode though, I thought Hatred reaching THAT level of rock bottom would have been better for The Revenge Society, it kind of distracted me from Doc's story. Then again, maybe it was supposed to. I dunno.
I liked it.
- by Ritchie Talons vs Pig Bopper
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I am really interested to see where they go with Hatred! He avoids most of the little boy "traps" by flipping out and getting drunk. We've yet to see him REEEEALLY flip out.
I have to ask all of you where else should i be looking online for the really bad ass Venture discussions. This board in particular takes the cake from what I can tell, aside from Jackson P responding to random questions.
I have to ask all of you where else should i be looking online for the really bad ass Venture discussions. This board in particular takes the cake from what I can tell, aside from Jackson P responding to random questions.
- by Veggietray
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Wow, this has really turned into a Hatred-fest. Back in season 3 I never imagined he would develop into a major character, and apparently one that polarizes VB fans into two extremes of love/loathe.
Try setting aside the whole pedo thing for a minute, and you will actually discover that there's a lot more going on with his character:
- After arching for 20(?) years with GOCI, he is suddenly careerless.
- His woman dumped him at the same time.
- His ex now has his home in malice AND is sleeping with ALL his former henchmen!
So you have a guy going through a midlife crisis of massive proportions, and taking Brock's old bodyguard job is his way of trying to find purpose in the chaotic ruin his life has become (and how typical of Rusty, hiring the nearest guy at hand because he's too lazy to get a proper replacement!).
Brock was way overqualified for his job guarding the Ventures, and part of the fun was watching him languish in his role and watch how he dealt with the dullness of it all (I'm pretty sure the Monarch's henchmen took the brunt of his frustrations). Sgt. Hatred is a reversal of this dynamic - while he is cunning and experienced in the ways of supervillainy with the POTENTIAL to do a good job, his personal problems (yes, even aside from THAT one) make him lackluster at best. The boys have actually become HIS caretakers, and Dr. V doesn't even seem concerned that his new bodyguard is in over his head.
I'm not trying to make anyone like Hatred, or even to explain why it's good comedy. I'm only making the point that he is a LOT more complex than a vehicle for 1-liner pedo jokes.
Try setting aside the whole pedo thing for a minute, and you will actually discover that there's a lot more going on with his character:
- After arching for 20(?) years with GOCI, he is suddenly careerless.
- His woman dumped him at the same time.
- His ex now has his home in malice AND is sleeping with ALL his former henchmen!
So you have a guy going through a midlife crisis of massive proportions, and taking Brock's old bodyguard job is his way of trying to find purpose in the chaotic ruin his life has become (and how typical of Rusty, hiring the nearest guy at hand because he's too lazy to get a proper replacement!).
Brock was way overqualified for his job guarding the Ventures, and part of the fun was watching him languish in his role and watch how he dealt with the dullness of it all (I'm pretty sure the Monarch's henchmen took the brunt of his frustrations). Sgt. Hatred is a reversal of this dynamic - while he is cunning and experienced in the ways of supervillainy with the POTENTIAL to do a good job, his personal problems (yes, even aside from THAT one) make him lackluster at best. The boys have actually become HIS caretakers, and Dr. V doesn't even seem concerned that his new bodyguard is in over his head.
I'm not trying to make anyone like Hatred, or even to explain why it's good comedy. I'm only making the point that he is a LOT more complex than a vehicle for 1-liner pedo jokes.
- by Joe
- (unregistered id: BE901E337F)
Veggietray,
That was a very nice run-down on Sgt Hatred's character, backstory, etc.
But what I guess it comes down to (for the "Hatred Haters" at least) is that Sgt Hatred just isn't all that interesting of a character, especially not when stacked up against Brock. The accurate list you provided provokes a "OK...so -what-?" reaction from the non-fans.
This is of course a matter of personal taste. Plenty of Hatred fans out there.
But, to me, at least, and I suspect many others, there's a non-interesting character that also happens to be, as you said, the vehicle for a steady stream of pedo jokes.
Put those two things together and people like me are going to inevitably start shouting "ENOUGH already!"
And for the guy that's ragging on us for complaining about a season that's already in the can and not going to change: Well, you're right of course Captain Obvious. We're all aware of that.
But to quote Holden McNeil: "The Internet has given everybody in America a voice. For some reason, everybody decides to use that voice to bitch about movies [ and TV shows]."
(Quite frankly, I find that to be both true and pathetic...even as I'm using my own Internet voice to bitch about an animated character. Talk about a self-hating hypocrite : ) )
That was a very nice run-down on Sgt Hatred's character, backstory, etc.
But what I guess it comes down to (for the "Hatred Haters" at least) is that Sgt Hatred just isn't all that interesting of a character, especially not when stacked up against Brock. The accurate list you provided provokes a "OK...so -what-?" reaction from the non-fans.
This is of course a matter of personal taste. Plenty of Hatred fans out there.
But, to me, at least, and I suspect many others, there's a non-interesting character that also happens to be, as you said, the vehicle for a steady stream of pedo jokes.
Put those two things together and people like me are going to inevitably start shouting "ENOUGH already!"
And for the guy that's ragging on us for complaining about a season that's already in the can and not going to change: Well, you're right of course Captain Obvious. We're all aware of that.
But to quote Holden McNeil: "The Internet has given everybody in America a voice. For some reason, everybody decides to use that voice to bitch about movies [ and TV shows]."
(Quite frankly, I find that to be both true and pathetic...even as I'm using my own Internet voice to bitch about an animated character. Talk about a self-hating hypocrite : ) )
- by Creepy Crooner
- (unregistered id: C0BBF56792)
Hmmmm. Although I totally agree with you and Holden McNeil (although I tend to find movies and tv just about as important as anything so I don;t find this fact pathetic or distressing) I still think it is completely inaccurate to say that Hatred is not an interesting character.
Honestly, I don't understand why anyone has a "problem" with any characters on this show. I have yet to encounter a single resident of the Venture Verse that couldn't be enjoyed in one way or another. I find that VB is the most consistently well-written and well crafted show on television and hasn't ever shown signs of being anything else. That said, it is totally fair to have differing opinions and dislike the inclusion of Hatred in the main cast. THAT said, stating that Hatred is not an interesting character is simply untrue. Brock is actually a less complex character than he, if you really break it down, even though we have gotten to know him better (mostly because he's been a main character for much longer). The jokes come from the characters themselves and the situations at hand, not the other way around.
Honestly, I don't understand why anyone has a "problem" with any characters on this show. I have yet to encounter a single resident of the Venture Verse that couldn't be enjoyed in one way or another. I find that VB is the most consistently well-written and well crafted show on television and hasn't ever shown signs of being anything else. That said, it is totally fair to have differing opinions and dislike the inclusion of Hatred in the main cast. THAT said, stating that Hatred is not an interesting character is simply untrue. Brock is actually a less complex character than he, if you really break it down, even though we have gotten to know him better (mostly because he's been a main character for much longer). The jokes come from the characters themselves and the situations at hand, not the other way around.
- by Creepy Crooner
- (unregistered id: C0BBF56792)
I suppose you are right and it kind of comes down to semantics. I guess what I read into your post is that Hatred is not a "complex" character, which admittedly is different that "interesting".
It is true one could argue that they don't find the character interesting while I don;t think one could argue that said character is not complex (or one-dimensional or what have you).
I still don't see how Brock is any more interesting that Hatred (unless you are just a sucker for ultraviolence, which I suppose is fair) but that is just an opinion. My bad.
p.s. if this sounded at all sarcastic it was unintentional.
It is true one could argue that they don't find the character interesting while I don;t think one could argue that said character is not complex (or one-dimensional or what have you).
I still don't see how Brock is any more interesting that Hatred (unless you are just a sucker for ultraviolence, which I suppose is fair) but that is just an opinion. My bad.
p.s. if this sounded at all sarcastic it was unintentional.
- by Mike
- (unregistered id: 00360BBA91)
Chris98vf and Joe, you'll notice I killed your thread. Knock it the fuck off. I'm fine with arguments over whatever the hell but resorting to name calling and personal attacks won't be tolerated. If you guys want to fight about that crap you can trade emails and do it in private.
- by Henchman 11
- (unregistered id: 5E69D79D8F)
I'm enjoying the season.
I really liked the Rusty plot. I liked the Hank & Dean and the Monarch's henchmen plot.....it just would have been better without Sgt. Pedophile (which is what they should just change his name to).
I liked him as Hatred when he was a villian and screwing the Monarch over by being a 'nice' villian to Rusty. Thats a great joke. I liked his comment that episode about how Dean and Hank can't be within 50 yards of him or whatever due to a court order.
But the pedophilia (or strain to restrain it) has become a knock-knock joke told over and over by your 4yr old nephew.....tired.
Capt. Sunshine? Now the subltly there was what made the pedo jokes funny (put this lube on your buttocks and inner thighs. You'll be grateful in the moring.). The fact that it turned out he WASN'T a pedo made it even MORE funny. THAT'S how do it. Great job Doc and Jackson.
But Hatred? It's just not funny anymore. And watching him squirm trying to 'resist urges' isn't funny either. Or character development. (Who really wants to see 'character development' in a cartoon anyway? This isn't 'classic literature'. I want to see the characters doing what makes them funny and appealing in the first place......and before anyone says, "then it gets stale and isn't entertaining" I'd like to point out that character development can lead to un-entertainment as well.)
Anyway, to end on a high note, I really liked self-medication and the 'boy adventurer support group'.
P.S. Anyone think it was sorta ominious that the Hale bros were dressed VERY similar to Hank and Dean and that they hated their rich father and killed him? Especially the one that looked like Hank (who has been being emotionally abused by Rusty all season and filled with resentment)?
I really liked the Rusty plot. I liked the Hank & Dean and the Monarch's henchmen plot.....it just would have been better without Sgt. Pedophile (which is what they should just change his name to).
I liked him as Hatred when he was a villian and screwing the Monarch over by being a 'nice' villian to Rusty. Thats a great joke. I liked his comment that episode about how Dean and Hank can't be within 50 yards of him or whatever due to a court order.
But the pedophilia (or strain to restrain it) has become a knock-knock joke told over and over by your 4yr old nephew.....tired.
Capt. Sunshine? Now the subltly there was what made the pedo jokes funny (put this lube on your buttocks and inner thighs. You'll be grateful in the moring.). The fact that it turned out he WASN'T a pedo made it even MORE funny. THAT'S how do it. Great job Doc and Jackson.
But Hatred? It's just not funny anymore. And watching him squirm trying to 'resist urges' isn't funny either. Or character development. (Who really wants to see 'character development' in a cartoon anyway? This isn't 'classic literature'. I want to see the characters doing what makes them funny and appealing in the first place......and before anyone says, "then it gets stale and isn't entertaining" I'd like to point out that character development can lead to un-entertainment as well.)
Anyway, to end on a high note, I really liked self-medication and the 'boy adventurer support group'.
P.S. Anyone think it was sorta ominious that the Hale bros were dressed VERY similar to Hank and Dean and that they hated their rich father and killed him? Especially the one that looked like Hank (who has been being emotionally abused by Rusty all season and filled with resentment)?
- by Henchmen 11
- (unregistered id: 5E69D79D8F)
Ok, Mr. I am the Supreme Venture Bros. Fan and all must agree with me.
I've been watching this show from the begining.
all the characters have stayed the same for the first 3 seasons. Now suddenly its all about them 'growing'.
Now go on and rant about how I'm inferior to your 'supreme intelligence' and how you get the show like nobody else and how important you are. We can never hear that enough and if you say it enough, I'm sure it will come true and everyone will respect you here unlike in your real life with people who really know you.
I've been watching this show from the begining.
all the characters have stayed the same for the first 3 seasons. Now suddenly its all about them 'growing'.
Now go on and rant about how I'm inferior to your 'supreme intelligence' and how you get the show like nobody else and how important you are. We can never hear that enough and if you say it enough, I'm sure it will come true and everyone will respect you here unlike in your real life with people who really know you.
- by Creepy Crooner
- (unregistered id: C0BBF56792)
Actually there are plenty of fans that get the show. Just read through the comments above - there is a lot of great stuff posted by people other than me. You are not inferior, I'm not particularly important and this whole thing has nothing to do with intelligence. I'm not sure why some of you take all of this so personally, honestly.
I will say, and I hope someone backs me up on this, that "all the characters" have certainly not "stayed the same" over the course of the first three seasons. I mean, did you actually watch season 3? The fact that the show remains hilarious while also staying true to its complicated mythology and allowing its characters to develop is precisely the reason that most of us love it.
I will say, and I hope someone backs me up on this, that "all the characters" have certainly not "stayed the same" over the course of the first three seasons. I mean, did you actually watch season 3? The fact that the show remains hilarious while also staying true to its complicated mythology and allowing its characters to develop is precisely the reason that most of us love it.
- by henchman 11
- (unregistered id: 5E69D79D8F)
"I will say, and I hope someone backs me up on this, that "all the characters" have certainly not "stayed the same" over the course of the first three seasons."
Yes, I did and do watch the show from the beginning.
Lets take a look: at the end of the 3rd season had Rusty overcome all (or any) of his issues and become a super-scientist? No. Still a neurotic failure.
Had Brock found his sensitive side and mellowed? Nope, still a psychotic killing machine, just for Sphynx now.
Has the Monarch gotten over his hatred of Rusty? Nope, still hating, if not more.
Did Dean become a courageous and brilliant? Nope, still the crying boy adventurer.
Did Hank become a wuss? Nope, still the 'brock-wanabee' stickin' it to his brother Dean.
What about Dr. Orpheus? Still the 'has-been'-ish magician that seems lost in 'reality'.
I stand by my statement that they did NOT 'develop' the characters but rather stayed within the set-up with which they were given to us. (witht he exception of after Dr. Killinger's nightime 'brain-washing' where Dean became a little tougher and Hank a little weaker for just, what, one or two instances? They have since reverted to form.
Doc and Jackson want to flesh out the characters background, maybe show us the 'how' and 'why' a character became what they are? Fine. I'm really down for that. It's been hilarious whenever they've done it.
But to 'develop' (i.e. change) what the character is, well......that doesn't seem to be necessary to me. Not for a cartoon show.
Sorry if it offends you that I don't take my little cartoon show for my entertainment as serious as the 'real' fans think I should. :)
Yes, I did and do watch the show from the beginning.
Lets take a look: at the end of the 3rd season had Rusty overcome all (or any) of his issues and become a super-scientist? No. Still a neurotic failure.
Had Brock found his sensitive side and mellowed? Nope, still a psychotic killing machine, just for Sphynx now.
Has the Monarch gotten over his hatred of Rusty? Nope, still hating, if not more.
Did Dean become a courageous and brilliant? Nope, still the crying boy adventurer.
Did Hank become a wuss? Nope, still the 'brock-wanabee' stickin' it to his brother Dean.
What about Dr. Orpheus? Still the 'has-been'-ish magician that seems lost in 'reality'.
I stand by my statement that they did NOT 'develop' the characters but rather stayed within the set-up with which they were given to us. (witht he exception of after Dr. Killinger's nightime 'brain-washing' where Dean became a little tougher and Hank a little weaker for just, what, one or two instances? They have since reverted to form.
Doc and Jackson want to flesh out the characters background, maybe show us the 'how' and 'why' a character became what they are? Fine. I'm really down for that. It's been hilarious whenever they've done it.
But to 'develop' (i.e. change) what the character is, well......that doesn't seem to be necessary to me. Not for a cartoon show.
Sorry if it offends you that I don't take my little cartoon show for my entertainment as serious as the 'real' fans think I should. :)
- by GilbertSmith
- (unregistered id: 480A18BFE2)
If you want them to stay the same, you are watching the wrong show. There's been growth from the beginning, but it's been subtle. If you want Jack and Doc to be worthless hacks, crapping out the same dull crap year after year, just play season 1 on repeat, and let the rest of us enjoy the growth and development of Venture Brothers into something even better.
- by GilbertSmith
- (unregistered id: 480A18BFE2)
If you want them to stay the same, you are watching the wrong show. There's been growth from the beginning, but it's been subtle. If you want Jack and Doc to be worthless hacks, crapping out the same dull crap year after year, just play season 1 on repeat, and let the rest of us enjoy the growth and development of Venture Brothers into something even better.
- by Zendo
- (unregistered id: D97CDD2943)
I hope this hasn't been pointed out already, I didn't see it anywhere. Did anyone else catch "The Monkey's Paw" reference, as in the short story by W. W. Jacobs? At the end of Johnny's monkey paw cocaine story he says (awesomely) " . . . and now I'm all out of wishes." Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey%27s_Paw
Thank you, Jackson, for coolly referencing my high school English Lit. (And thank you too, Mr. Williams.)
Thank you, Jackson, for coolly referencing my high school English Lit. (And thank you too, Mr. Williams.)
- by cpc65
- (unregistered id: C1880968BC)
Wow! A lot more comments since yesterday. Not sure if someone else brought this up, but I found it interesting that Hank was dressed as Princess Tinyfeet and Dean was the one to oh so skillfully fire the net cannon. You'd figure it would have been the other way around. They must have done rock, paper, scissors for it.
Happy Thanksgiving all! Except the Canadians. You already had yours.
Happy Thanksgiving all! Except the Canadians. You already had yours.
- by ZJS
- (unregistered id: 586923792E)
http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/11/23/review-the-venture-bros-self-medication/
http://tv.ign.com/articles/104/1049442p1.html
http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/tvshow/the-venture-bros,94/
I love how this episode has been getting the rave reviews it deserves everywhere BUT the biggest Venture Bros. fansite on the web. Just an interesting observation.
http://tv.ign.com/articles/104/1049442p1.html
http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/tvshow/the-venture-bros,94/
I love how this episode has been getting the rave reviews it deserves everywhere BUT the biggest Venture Bros. fansite on the web. Just an interesting observation.
- by Joey Michaels
- (unregistered id: D59C682E33)
I think most of the comments here are positive, but its typical for the comments on most hardcore fan sites to have more critical comments than the reviews. You should have read some of the Battlestar Galactica comments on the official site during that show's run!
As fans speaking to fellow fans, I think we're all a little more willing to be hypercritical because we know we're talking to fellow fans. If I was talking to somebody who'd never watched VB before, I'd be all "YOU MUST WATCH THIS SHOW."
Here, I'm more willing to write "what was up with The Monarch assaulting Guardo" because I know the rest of the group will either explain it, agree, or have an opinion on it. Ya know?
As fans speaking to fellow fans, I think we're all a little more willing to be hypercritical because we know we're talking to fellow fans. If I was talking to somebody who'd never watched VB before, I'd be all "YOU MUST WATCH THIS SHOW."
Here, I'm more willing to write "what was up with The Monarch assaulting Guardo" because I know the rest of the group will either explain it, agree, or have an opinion on it. Ya know?
- by Roscoe
- (unregistered id: 3575AEFCB1)
Wow! When I made my first arguement, I didn't expect it to turn into all this! Are you kidding me?!?! It's a cartoon everybody!
That said, Listen:
the character has developed, I won't deny it! But a million jokes with the same punchline are still boring.
So, look, All I said was the show seemed stale, and the character of hatered was largely to blame, and I stand by it.
I have to tell you, in season 3, I didn't LOVE hatred, but I enjoyed his story. He was apparrently a higher-up in the O.S.I. having infiltrated for the guild, but had somehow ended up a washed-out, second rate Arch.
It was fun and engaging as a sideplot, I just don't think throwing all the intrigue to the wayside and making him a main character has worker FOR ME.
And Screw-Me!!!!! Who cares what I think? I'm just one Hardcore fan of the show. My opinion doesn't actually change ANYTHING, so why make such a fuss?
I was just thinking back, and I remember in Season 3 most everybody here freaked out and got up in arms that Hatered invited the boys to play videogames in his basement, and asked if they wanted a shower; now that he is a mainstay, everybody's rushing to defend him, bashing eachother, and making all this hooplah?
That said, Listen:
the character has developed, I won't deny it! But a million jokes with the same punchline are still boring.
So, look, All I said was the show seemed stale, and the character of hatered was largely to blame, and I stand by it.
I have to tell you, in season 3, I didn't LOVE hatred, but I enjoyed his story. He was apparrently a higher-up in the O.S.I. having infiltrated for the guild, but had somehow ended up a washed-out, second rate Arch.
It was fun and engaging as a sideplot, I just don't think throwing all the intrigue to the wayside and making him a main character has worker FOR ME.
And Screw-Me!!!!! Who cares what I think? I'm just one Hardcore fan of the show. My opinion doesn't actually change ANYTHING, so why make such a fuss?
I was just thinking back, and I remember in Season 3 most everybody here freaked out and got up in arms that Hatered invited the boys to play videogames in his basement, and asked if they wanted a shower; now that he is a mainstay, everybody's rushing to defend him, bashing eachother, and making all this hooplah?
- by cpc65
- (unregistered id: C1880968BC)
Agreed. Too much fuss, opinion bashing and condescending egos goin' on here. This site used to be more fun and laid back (and less crowded when it was just us from season 1 of VB).
Regardless of people's opinions of him, I still feel most folks would like to see him ultimately prevail over his issues, then move back to being a secondary chararcter, probably rejoining The Guild.
Regardless of people's opinions of him, I still feel most folks would like to see him ultimately prevail over his issues, then move back to being a secondary chararcter, probably rejoining The Guild.
- by mogo
- (unregistered id: 569168A3E4)
I was talking to my older brother(he's 22, I'm 17, turning 18 in december.), about the show on the way home from thanksgiving and he brought up a few things....
*He misses brock, we all do. He belives it to be this astonishing season's biggest weakness and maybe that's why(this next parts me) you all have been dogging on it.
*now back to him, the boys have become teenagers. when the series began they were just boy adventurers but now their coming into their own. their still the same people, still akward, but hanks become a normal teenager and dean's following in his fathers footsteps.
*Hatred's ALWAYS been a great charicter and he reallly is coming into his own.
*Triana and dean may actually go togheter, as she knows what it's like to have an abnormal father, and know you can never have a completly normal life.
*Jackson and doc have a great talent of making great secondary charicters that they don't over use. the order of the triad, especially jeferson twilight. were his examples.
so just wanted to give you his thoughts. And before you ask, he's never been to this sight as far as I know but I have told him about it but hey, he's a busy guy.
*He misses brock, we all do. He belives it to be this astonishing season's biggest weakness and maybe that's why(this next parts me) you all have been dogging on it.
*now back to him, the boys have become teenagers. when the series began they were just boy adventurers but now their coming into their own. their still the same people, still akward, but hanks become a normal teenager and dean's following in his fathers footsteps.
*Hatred's ALWAYS been a great charicter and he reallly is coming into his own.
*Triana and dean may actually go togheter, as she knows what it's like to have an abnormal father, and know you can never have a completly normal life.
*Jackson and doc have a great talent of making great secondary charicters that they don't over use. the order of the triad, especially jeferson twilight. were his examples.
so just wanted to give you his thoughts. And before you ask, he's never been to this sight as far as I know but I have told him about it but hey, he's a busy guy.
- by Jory
- (unregistered id: 253E4B0099)
I don't miss Brock at all. I like him as much as I like any other character on the show, but I know he'll be back and just as lovingly badass as ever. Jackson and Doc decided to leave him out for a while to give Doc and the boys a chance to grow up without his protection and to really explore their neuroses, and Sgt. Hatred is lovable as hell. Not that it'll be a bad thing to have Brock around again, but the show's just fine without him.
- by Sparky
- (unregistered id: 751882AA0C)
I miss Brock, but Hatred is fleshing out pretty well.
Littlefeet is a shemale? Heh. Fronting as a girl? Hatred is bound for failure as it is the theme of the show. Captain Sunshine failed. Even as a MJ reference. Hatred has farther to fall, before he can hope for a cure. He has too much fear.
Whereas, Doc seems to be more together now. Odd isn't it?
Littlefeet is a shemale? Heh. Fronting as a girl? Hatred is bound for failure as it is the theme of the show. Captain Sunshine failed. Even as a MJ reference. Hatred has farther to fall, before he can hope for a cure. He has too much fear.
Whereas, Doc seems to be more together now. Odd isn't it?
- by Jory
- (unregistered id: 253E4B0099)
Man, what the hell justifies this episode being one of the LOWEST-RATED of the entire series? The episode was well-paced, funny, and full of great characterization. Does everybody hate Sgt. Hatred THAT much? Does everybody miss Brock THAT badly? Is it bad just because it doesn't have some kind of "epic" storyline?
Since there's no 'sode this weekend, I'VE GOT A WHOLE EXTRA WEEK TO WHINE ABOUT THIS.
Since there's no 'sode this weekend, I'VE GOT A WHOLE EXTRA WEEK TO WHINE ABOUT THIS.
- by Agent No
- (unregistered id: 3CCC597331)
Some like the episodes that are all backstory, some like the ones that pay homage to older shows/pop culture, etc. Then you have your character marks, Hatred Lovers, Hatred Haters, Dean Heads, Hank Heads, and those that would like each episode to be 22 minutes of dialogue between The Monarch & Dr. Girlfriend.
Looking at it, ORB has the same "rating" as V.E.N, so a couple of votes the other way will swing it back. As for Self Medication I'm sure more fans will come back from their Thanksgiving comas and put that closer to a 4.
Looking at it, ORB has the same "rating" as V.E.N, so a couple of votes the other way will swing it back. As for Self Medication I'm sure more fans will come back from their Thanksgiving comas and put that closer to a 4.
- by Mike
- (unregistered id: 00360BBA91)
I really wonder if people understood the point of Orb or that it's highly rated because it's full of super mystery reveals (most of which are bullshit). I am almost leaning towards 'missed the point' just due to how many people were upset that Phantom Limb didn't make the universe implode when he activated the orb.
- by Mike
- (unregistered id: 00360BBA91)
Also it's worth mentioning that ratings on this site are really not any sort of accurate gauge. They're for entertainment purposes at best, but voting is based on IP address so conceivably one could vote for whatever they want any number of times. There's also things to take into account such as people voting for old episodes that can often be seen through rose-colored glasses or whathaveyou. Reaction to an episode you see might be one thing but upon repeat viewings you might change your mind and the system doesn't let you change your vote from a 3 to a 5. So knee jerk voting can have an effect on people too.
Self-Medication, for example, is brilliant (I've already written the capsule, which requires rewatching scenes a few times; I'm on vacation though so I can't get any screenshots until Monday night at earliest) but many people might only be thinking "I HATE HATRED" and give it a two or three. It's not really science or definitive at all, just a fun thing to do.
Self-Medication, for example, is brilliant (I've already written the capsule, which requires rewatching scenes a few times; I'm on vacation though so I can't get any screenshots until Monday night at earliest) but many people might only be thinking "I HATE HATRED" and give it a two or three. It's not really science or definitive at all, just a fun thing to do.
- by Creepy Crooner
- (unregistered id: C0BBF56792)
Totally agree! I still don't understand how people that have been watching VB since the beginning are shocked like, every time Doc and Jackson defy the obvious conclusions and expectations that they have previously set-up. It would seem that most fans of the show would have figured out that this is their modus operandi and really what makes the show what it is.
Of course, whenever I imply that people are missing the point or not getting it, I get yelled at by other posters. Perfectly stated point though, Mike.
Of course, whenever I imply that people are missing the point or not getting it, I get yelled at by other posters. Perfectly stated point though, Mike.
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