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Since I was a day late with this last week I decided I should be an hour early this week. You know, to make up for it, or something that makes more sense maybe. At any rate, ¡Viva los Muertos! will be up on Adult Swim Fix in an hour and of course on Adult Swim at 10:30pm this Sunday. As always, there will probably be spoilers, so stay out of the comments if you're a big baby. And hey, since you've got an hour to kill, you can even make some stuff up about this episode!
- by Andrew
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- by Hahnarama
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- by Gumby
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You beat me to it but it was fun seeing the boys find the clones and Dr Venture thinking fast on his feet to come up with a workable excuse and Hey, another version of the boys death, guess Brock miscounted in Powerless... (or maybe I did) still lots of laughs what with Venturstein and the old versions of the Scooby Doo gang and all...
- by Gumby
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Can't say for sure, not long I bet but the next two eps look Earth shattering with Phantom Limb, The Monarch, Dr Girlfriend, The Sovereign and guys and stuff exploding all over the place, can't wait!
With Season 2 coming to an end I'm both excited and depressed at the same time, wait.... what?
With Season 2 coming to an end I'm both excited and depressed at the same time, wait.... what?
- by Mr. Noy
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- by Mr. Noy
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- by Mr. Noy
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Oh, and here's the link to Part 2. I'm not sure how to make it so that you can just click on the link but that's what the old cut and paste is for.
mms://wms.stream.aol.com/turner/gl/cartoon_net/adultswim/fridaynightfix/247/venturebros/venture24_pt2_Toon_2005.wmv
And here's my first attempt at making it a clickable link.
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mms://wms.stream.aol.com/turner/gl/cartoon_net/adultswim/fridaynightfix/247/venturebros/venture24_pt2_Toon_2005.wmv
And here's my first attempt at making it a clickable link.
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- by Gothicoyne
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Holy Crap!! That was freakin awesome, i think! Still in shock w/how twisted and funny that ep was. Man, can wait to see more of V-Stein and it'll be interesting to see if there's an episode w/the zombie army Doc was going to create. Man, the crew from Scooby Doo was beyond twisted, all i can say is BAD ASS!!
- by Roscoe
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greatest lines in the episode:
HELPMEGETDEADPEOPLE!!!!
Proshieeshood!!
Super runnaway!
"pirate hippies"...oh, hank.
"saw your own clone coma."
this ep. was great. a little odd, but great. some great lines, awesome moments, but, seeing gathers was by far the most disturbing thing an A.D. cartoon has ever done to me.
Proshieedeud!!
HELPMEGETDEADPEOPLE!!!!
Proshieeshood!!
Super runnaway!
"pirate hippies"...oh, hank.
"saw your own clone coma."
this ep. was great. a little odd, but great. some great lines, awesome moments, but, seeing gathers was by far the most disturbing thing an A.D. cartoon has ever done to me.
Proshieedeud!!
- by Mr. Noy
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Man, this episode was a sick bit of fun! They turned the entire Scooby Doo gang into a pack of psychos!
Ted (Fred) = Ted Bundy/Charles Manson/David Koresh
Patty (Daphne) = Patty Hearst
Val (Velma) = Valerie Solanis
Sonny (Shaggy) = Son of Sam
Groovy (Scooby) = Harvey, the dog Son of Sam claimed spoke to him
Toss in Doc's plans to create an army of reanimated corpses, Brock's fucked up spirit journey, the murder of Hank and Dean and the reveal of the clone farm and you've got one disturbingly funny episode.
Ted (Fred) = Ted Bundy/Charles Manson/David Koresh
Patty (Daphne) = Patty Hearst
Val (Velma) = Valerie Solanis
Sonny (Shaggy) = Son of Sam
Groovy (Scooby) = Harvey, the dog Son of Sam claimed spoke to him
Toss in Doc's plans to create an army of reanimated corpses, Brock's fucked up spirit journey, the murder of Hank and Dean and the reveal of the clone farm and you've got one disturbingly funny episode.
- by Mr. Noy
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- by Gothicoyne
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Glad you made those connections, i guess sometimes you have to step outside of the box and utilize your brain to get the full effect of each episode. By the way, did you feel that V-Stein had the character resemblance of the trained zombie from Day of the Dead. Good on ya Mr. Noy for making those references, i wouldn't have thought of that until you said something. Kick Ass!
- by Mr. Noy
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- by josh
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- by Mr. Noy
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I wouldn't read too much into it. The most likely explanation is that they just recycled the backgrounds in order to save money and/or they just forgot that Hank took them down. It happens.
In his LiveJournal Jackson admitted to a similar continuity error regarding Kim in Assasinanny and V.E.N.
JP: "The one little detail we forgot about in regards to these two episodes was Kim, Triana's techno-Goth friend. She's obviously met Hank and Dean already in "Assassinanny 911," which aired a month ago, but is only just being introduced to them in last night's episode. Our bad. Neither of us picked up on it till the former episode aired, at which point Doc, just as guilty as I, cried "foul!" because he didn't want me to get credit for his Fred from Scooby Doo joke, which I'd unintentionally scooped him on...when it was meant as a "callback." Oh, well..."
In his LiveJournal Jackson admitted to a similar continuity error regarding Kim in Assasinanny and V.E.N.
JP: "The one little detail we forgot about in regards to these two episodes was Kim, Triana's techno-Goth friend. She's obviously met Hank and Dean already in "Assassinanny 911," which aired a month ago, but is only just being introduced to them in last night's episode. Our bad. Neither of us picked up on it till the former episode aired, at which point Doc, just as guilty as I, cried "foul!" because he didn't want me to get credit for his Fred from Scooby Doo joke, which I'd unintentionally scooped him on...when it was meant as a "callback." Oh, well..."
- by josh
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yeah, this episode couldn't have come before assasignanny because that's when Colonel Hunters became a woman. so, since he was back in brocks hallucination( which by the by incase you are interested the process of drinking the extract and vomiting into a bucket can be expierenced with a short trek into the Amazon and getting a shamon to give you the extract to cleanse you of your demons) as a woman this had to be after brock was to kill him in assasinanny.
- by Roscoe
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The capsule notes for this episode sate that Viva Los Muertos means "The Dead Live" I've never taken spanish in my life so I might be wrong, but I think it actually means, somthing along the lines of: "Celebrate The Dead" or "We Want The Dead." I don't know for sure though. Like I said, I'm not a spanish speaker.
- by Mr. Noy
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My Spanish is not great but here's what I know. The literal translation is "The Dead Live", but the meaning is closer to "Long Live The Dead!"
Little Jorge says "¡Viva los zapatos!" or "Long live the shoes!" This is a nod to "¡Viva Zapata!" a phrase used to honor Emiliano Zapata, a hero of the Mexican Revolution and sometimes used as a protest cry even in modern times. He's also famous for having said "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees."
And yes, his last name meant "shoe."
Little Jorge says "¡Viva los zapatos!" or "Long live the shoes!" This is a nod to "¡Viva Zapata!" a phrase used to honor Emiliano Zapata, a hero of the Mexican Revolution and sometimes used as a protest cry even in modern times. He's also famous for having said "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees."
And yes, his last name meant "shoe."
- by Retro
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Ted is totally convincing as some weird guy who plays mindgames with people ... his crazy-guy van was classic. How many times has your mom told you not to go near vans like that? I didn't pick up on the psychos the others represented because I don't know that much about Son of Sam, or Valerie Solanis. But Ted Bundy and Patty Hearst seemed obvious.
If I had to pick a Venture Bros Halloween episode, this would be the one.
And Orpheus and his whole crew being into psychological journeys ... explains why he's so melodramatic.
"GET ME DEAD PEOPLE!" made me fall over. Brock getting Venturstein some ass before he gets enlisted is hilarious too. And the opening First-Person-Shooter style scene where Brock twisted V's neck was hilarious.
My only question is whether or not 21 and 24 died in the assault. I doubt it, since there was quite a comotion and they're main characters, but it didn't really show if they survived or not.
If I had to pick a Venture Bros Halloween episode, this would be the one.
And Orpheus and his whole crew being into psychological journeys ... explains why he's so melodramatic.
"GET ME DEAD PEOPLE!" made me fall over. Brock getting Venturstein some ass before he gets enlisted is hilarious too. And the opening First-Person-Shooter style scene where Brock twisted V's neck was hilarious.
My only question is whether or not 21 and 24 died in the assault. I doubt it, since there was quite a comotion and they're main characters, but it didn't really show if they survived or not.
- by Sakurai
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- by WorstServedCold
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Amazing that something can be so horrible and so wonderful at the same time...
I'm going to have to watch this episode a third time and make a list of all the fantastic quotable lines.
A quick couple things I noticed:
- I saw on, I think, Publick's website that they actually had to do some covering of naked female parts. I thought to myself “holy crap, they are actually going to show a nude female?” Nope.
- The opening sequence was, I thought, pretty clearly an homage to the Saving Private Ryan D-Day run up the beach. As for the P.O.V. neck snap, that was actually one of the cooler scenes in Chronicles of Riddick. I liked that movie, I don't care what anyone says. And then once they were in the rebuild, it was pretty close to Robocop.
- I'm Goddamn retarded. I just didn't see the famous crazies when I saw the VB version of the scoobie gang. I didn't know about militant lesbian chick, but that's no excuse, I shoulda caught the others.
- I mentioned this before, but it's worth bringing up again because of how noticeable it's getting... the camera work is really terrific in this episode. The pans and zooms and tilts and different interesting angles and so on are really classy. It was prevalent in Caged Bird too, and not something you see a lot of in animation, and didn't see at all in season 1.
- This was some of the most distressing music since the clone slug theme from Powerless.
- I think I might be a tapestry of quiet desperation.
- Jonestown.
- Brock's expression as he was riding the dolphin was awesome.
- All the clone slugs in the tanks made me think of “The 6th Day” starring the Governator. Not the greatest movie, but it had some good stuff.
- While I'm seeing connections between the crazy stuff in this and other forms of media, there was a line in short-lived British show The Mighty Boosh that went: “My uncle once punched a man so hard his legs became trombones. It was genius.” It didn't make any sense in that context, but I'd imagine “You hit him so hard he's got an afro now” wouldn't either if we didn't know the story. Maybe you just had to be there.
- In last week's discussion there was a thread about how Venture Brothers seems to draw a brighter crew. Well I just thought I'd bring up I'm two-timing you all with the somethingawful.com forums, and there are actually 3 separate long-running threads on VB there. They arn't as good combined as this one is on its own, but the fact that they exist makes me happy.
I'm going to have to watch this episode a third time and make a list of all the fantastic quotable lines.
A quick couple things I noticed:
- I saw on, I think, Publick's website that they actually had to do some covering of naked female parts. I thought to myself “holy crap, they are actually going to show a nude female?” Nope.
- The opening sequence was, I thought, pretty clearly an homage to the Saving Private Ryan D-Day run up the beach. As for the P.O.V. neck snap, that was actually one of the cooler scenes in Chronicles of Riddick. I liked that movie, I don't care what anyone says. And then once they were in the rebuild, it was pretty close to Robocop.
- I'm Goddamn retarded. I just didn't see the famous crazies when I saw the VB version of the scoobie gang. I didn't know about militant lesbian chick, but that's no excuse, I shoulda caught the others.
- I mentioned this before, but it's worth bringing up again because of how noticeable it's getting... the camera work is really terrific in this episode. The pans and zooms and tilts and different interesting angles and so on are really classy. It was prevalent in Caged Bird too, and not something you see a lot of in animation, and didn't see at all in season 1.
- This was some of the most distressing music since the clone slug theme from Powerless.
- I think I might be a tapestry of quiet desperation.
- Jonestown.
- Brock's expression as he was riding the dolphin was awesome.
- All the clone slugs in the tanks made me think of “The 6th Day” starring the Governator. Not the greatest movie, but it had some good stuff.
- While I'm seeing connections between the crazy stuff in this and other forms of media, there was a line in short-lived British show The Mighty Boosh that went: “My uncle once punched a man so hard his legs became trombones. It was genius.” It didn't make any sense in that context, but I'd imagine “You hit him so hard he's got an afro now” wouldn't either if we didn't know the story. Maybe you just had to be there.
- In last week's discussion there was a thread about how Venture Brothers seems to draw a brighter crew. Well I just thought I'd bring up I'm two-timing you all with the somethingawful.com forums, and there are actually 3 separate long-running threads on VB there. They arn't as good combined as this one is on its own, but the fact that they exist makes me happy.
- by Doctor SnOZtard the De De De
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your not the only one retarded...
i did catch the son of sam references between shaggy and scooby, but I had no idea who Patty Hearst is... here a wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Hearst
as for velma, I thought her character was great and had no idea she was based off of a real person, I was thinking she was just playing off of a stereotype.
Great episode, but I felt that the action sequences were a bit choppy in the opening scene. Maybe it was my internet connection lagging. I guess I will see tonight!
i did catch the son of sam references between shaggy and scooby, but I had no idea who Patty Hearst is... here a wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Hearst
as for velma, I thought her character was great and had no idea she was based off of a real person, I was thinking she was just playing off of a stereotype.
Great episode, but I felt that the action sequences were a bit choppy in the opening scene. Maybe it was my internet connection lagging. I guess I will see tonight!
- by Roscoe
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Patty Hearst was the granddaughter of William Randolph Hearst, the tycoon best known for his newspaper buisness he was also a Politician for a while. The movie Citizen Kane is a film, which at the time was verry contriversial, that was inspired by his life.
Patty Hurst was abducted by the Symbionese Liberation Army in 1974 and ended up joining them. She was mentioned in "The Incredible Mr. Brisby" episode, and in the notes for said episode. she also became an actress later in life (she was on bio-dome & pete and pete.)
...And now you know more than you ever really cared to on the subject.
Patty Hurst was abducted by the Symbionese Liberation Army in 1974 and ended up joining them. She was mentioned in "The Incredible Mr. Brisby" episode, and in the notes for said episode. she also became an actress later in life (she was on bio-dome & pete and pete.)
...And now you know more than you ever really cared to on the subject.
- by josh
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This isn't the first time that Patty Hearst has been mentioned. In "The Incredible Mr. Brisby" when the O.C. Liberation Front kidnaps Hank and Dean and then puts the "special" Buzy Bee hats on them one of the guys asks the leader if he "..turned those things all the way up to Patty Hearst!?" Hoo-ray for the Simbanese Liberation Army!
- by Doc Kneezy
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Couldn't have said it better myself. The reason why I haven't been commenting on here is because A. I can't watch this episode till sunday, and B. I fucking missed "I know why the caged bird kills". I was so fucking pissed when I missed that episode. Judging from the capsule I missed one of the fucking greats. That's why I say that was fucking stupid of [adult swim] to take off the rerun day of The Venture Bros. I'm dyin' to see this episode since everyone says there's some real fucked up shit in it. I knew you guys missed me. Feels good to be loved................
- by Doc Kneezy
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Oh my fucking god......This was the most darkest and most evil fuckin' episode of the Venture Bros I have ever seen. A cracked out, lesbian, and mainiacal version of the Scooby-doo gang, Venturestein, the darkness in Brock's mind, Shaggy and Scooby murdering Hank and Dean, all adds up to one creepy and fucked up episode. Ben Enlund was the only writer who was able to push this show into the demented zone. This is definately right up there with "Fallen Arches". I'm glad Shaggy and Scooby got fucked up at the end. That was heartless of them to beat the fuck out of two innocent teens. I felt bad for Hank and Dean when they went into shock from seeing thier clones. This show makes you get attached to the characters in that way. Why doesn't Dr. Venture ever do anything to prevent them from dying? He could alter thier behavior while they're in those tubes to make Hank and Dean stronger or more intelligent. Fuck I can't wait for the 2-part "Showdown at Creamation Creek" It's been one fuck of a ride this season and I hope that Season 3 will be even better. I've got motherfuckin' goosebumps..............
- by Mongrove
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So, the clone slugs appear to be about sixteen years old. (Yeah, I know, how can you tell the age of a naked, skinless body floating in a tank of amniotic fluid in a darkened, green-lit room? I can just tell...) Anyway, the fact that there are a lot of back-ups implies that Dr. Venture doesn't clone the boys in the sense of taking some cells and accelerating their growth. I think they started out at age 16. Like Rusty said in "Powerless", they're fed memories, hopes, and dreams through their beds. Why would they ever have had a real childhood when they could have been given a programmed memory of childhood? Hmmmm...
Of course, the existence of the "Groovy Crew" kind of interferes with Triana's description of Hank as "like Fred from Scooby Doo", and Kim's subsequent description of Hank as "that Scooby Doo kid." But who knows, maybe the Groovy Crew are specifically going for a Mystery Machine look and feel....
Of course, the existence of the "Groovy Crew" kind of interferes with Triana's description of Hank as "like Fred from Scooby Doo", and Kim's subsequent description of Hank as "that Scooby Doo kid." But who knows, maybe the Groovy Crew are specifically going for a Mystery Machine look and feel....
- by Mr. Noy
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In the last discussion some people wondered why the boys died so many times after they turned 16. It's a sad fact that kids die all the time, but Hank and Dean seem to have a really bad habit of getting killed over and over again. This is just speculation, but has anyone else ever thought that maybe Rusty's cloning process isn't perfect?
Sure he brings the boys back each time but after so many generations couldn't defects and anomolies begin to manifest themselves? Defects such as testicular tortion, decreased mental ability, and a tendency to be accident-prone (if that could even be considered a genetic predisposition)? Rusty has talked about fixing things "in the prototype phase" so if the boys' genes can be modified to their benefit, it stands to reason that harmful changes could also occur. That's the Nature part of the argument.
The Nurture part brings us to the learning beds which Jonas invented for the young Rusty and haven't been updated since the 1960's. The boys' knowledge of the world is out of date and since they don't associate with other children their age, apart from Trianna, they are extremely out of touch in regards to how modern kids act or think.
Presumably, Rusty can also program the learning beds to leave out inconvenient information, such as memories of the boys' mother and their own deaths. No offense to anyone who might read this, but the average 16 year old is going to be naturally curious, fool-hardy and a little naive about some things. Once you factor in the boys risky lifestyle and the fact that their clones don't get to learn from past experiences and it's hardly surprising that they continue to make the same kinds of stupid mistakes that got them killed in the first place. Just a thought, but that could explain why the boys have become MORE death-prone and not less.
Sure he brings the boys back each time but after so many generations couldn't defects and anomolies begin to manifest themselves? Defects such as testicular tortion, decreased mental ability, and a tendency to be accident-prone (if that could even be considered a genetic predisposition)? Rusty has talked about fixing things "in the prototype phase" so if the boys' genes can be modified to their benefit, it stands to reason that harmful changes could also occur. That's the Nature part of the argument.
The Nurture part brings us to the learning beds which Jonas invented for the young Rusty and haven't been updated since the 1960's. The boys' knowledge of the world is out of date and since they don't associate with other children their age, apart from Trianna, they are extremely out of touch in regards to how modern kids act or think.
Presumably, Rusty can also program the learning beds to leave out inconvenient information, such as memories of the boys' mother and their own deaths. No offense to anyone who might read this, but the average 16 year old is going to be naturally curious, fool-hardy and a little naive about some things. Once you factor in the boys risky lifestyle and the fact that their clones don't get to learn from past experiences and it's hardly surprising that they continue to make the same kinds of stupid mistakes that got them killed in the first place. Just a thought, but that could explain why the boys have become MORE death-prone and not less.
- by Aquezio
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Man, I loved this one. I enjoy trying to figure out whether Doc or Jackson wrote a new episode as I watch it, and this one was even harder to guess than usual because...
IT WAS WRITTEN BY BEN EDLUND, CREATOR OF THE TICK! I've been looking forward to seeing what he would do with VB writing on his own, and this did not disapoint! The original comic series for the Tick was both hilarious and VERY dark in spots. I am a fan of both TV incarnations of the Tick, but most of that creepy darkness was lost in the translation. This ep is just about the creepiest and craziest VB ever, it's nice to see Ben writing without concern for a younger audience again.
Dolphin fucking
Psychedelic drug puking
"Earn a shower"
Real murderers
Men are like abortions.
So many lines were crossed, holy shit!
The best part has to be Brock's conscience bothering him, forcing him to examine who and what he is, and getting a peek inside his mind. That angle alone makes this one a great among greats!
I know there's been a million POV shots in movies, but a friend of mine mentioned a particular episode of MASH where the whole thing was the POV of a wounded soldier, he seemed pretty sure the beginning of this ep was a reference to that.
I love every fucking episode that Jackson and Doc have written. This show is thiers, and without them it would go to pot.
That being said...
Are there any other writers the rest of you guys would like to see take a crack at VB? Ben did a great job, I would like to see what EVAN DORKIN could do.
I think other people writing is unlikely since Jackson, Doc and Ben go way back. Still, I'd like to hear your ideas.
IT WAS WRITTEN BY BEN EDLUND, CREATOR OF THE TICK! I've been looking forward to seeing what he would do with VB writing on his own, and this did not disapoint! The original comic series for the Tick was both hilarious and VERY dark in spots. I am a fan of both TV incarnations of the Tick, but most of that creepy darkness was lost in the translation. This ep is just about the creepiest and craziest VB ever, it's nice to see Ben writing without concern for a younger audience again.
Dolphin fucking
Psychedelic drug puking
"Earn a shower"
Real murderers
Men are like abortions.
So many lines were crossed, holy shit!
The best part has to be Brock's conscience bothering him, forcing him to examine who and what he is, and getting a peek inside his mind. That angle alone makes this one a great among greats!
I know there's been a million POV shots in movies, but a friend of mine mentioned a particular episode of MASH where the whole thing was the POV of a wounded soldier, he seemed pretty sure the beginning of this ep was a reference to that.
I love every fucking episode that Jackson and Doc have written. This show is thiers, and without them it would go to pot.
That being said...
Are there any other writers the rest of you guys would like to see take a crack at VB? Ben did a great job, I would like to see what EVAN DORKIN could do.
I think other people writing is unlikely since Jackson, Doc and Ben go way back. Still, I'd like to hear your ideas.
- by WorstServedCold
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I hadn't even realized that this wasn't written by our beloved creators. The entire episode seemed hugely creative and fresh for some reason, more so than the usual hugely creative and fresh ones. While too many writers is always a bad thing, I vote that they keep this guy around in case he gets any more flashes of brilliance, maybe get him involved in some hot 3-way action.
I remember loving The Tick the animated show too, never caught the live-action one but always intended to. The Venture Brothers does sorta take a page out of that book, in that it's got heroes and villains, but they arn't always the best-paying gigs. I think it was the first episode, where The Tick demonstrated to Arthur that pulling the string on the lamp would slide away a wall to reveal the secret Tick headquarters... someday... that I fell in love.
Money trouble lends a feeling of credibility to any show, I always wonder why so many go the "Friends" rout and just tell you to accept that everyone's rich and no one has to work much.
Again, while this wasn't my absolute favorite episode of the Venture Brothers, it really was a great one, and knowing it's not from the original guys yet still managed to be this good gives me hope for the future of humanity.
Well, not really, but if I was still capable of "hope", I think this woulda caused it.
I remember loving The Tick the animated show too, never caught the live-action one but always intended to. The Venture Brothers does sorta take a page out of that book, in that it's got heroes and villains, but they arn't always the best-paying gigs. I think it was the first episode, where The Tick demonstrated to Arthur that pulling the string on the lamp would slide away a wall to reveal the secret Tick headquarters... someday... that I fell in love.
Money trouble lends a feeling of credibility to any show, I always wonder why so many go the "Friends" rout and just tell you to accept that everyone's rich and no one has to work much.
Again, while this wasn't my absolute favorite episode of the Venture Brothers, it really was a great one, and knowing it's not from the original guys yet still managed to be this good gives me hope for the future of humanity.
Well, not really, but if I was still capable of "hope", I think this woulda caused it.
- by Mistress Mattress
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"Hot 3-way action"? I would agree with you if Ben Edlund didn't have a Story By credit for two of the the worst VB episodes ever - Careers in Science and State Dinner. I say leave the writing to Doc and Jackson. Look, I love the Tick too, but I don't need to have that kind of writing in VB. I say "Bring back the Tick on Adult Swim!" Then I get both!
- by Doctor SnOZdream the Mephitic
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Yea.. I was "stoked" to see Ben wrote that ep. I figured he would have more of a hand in this season than last. I was a huge fan of the animated series. I LOVE THE TICK! Season 1 is out on DVD now, but I'm too broke to buy it. One day...one day. I loved the live action series as well, but I only got to see the first two episdoes. I hate Fox for not giving that show a chance. They put it in a time slot where it had no chance to develop. Fox also bought all the rights to the Tick, so I guess that there is no chance for a Venture-Tick cross over, but HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE! I only wish I got to read some of the Tick comics. I had no idea it was a comic before a cartoon. I am assuming it had a large underground following.
As for new writers, I would like to see E.L.Doctorow do an ep. It is HIGHLY unlikely, but a boy can dream, right? Or what about Chuck Palahnuik? ah...it tickles the English major in me. Too bad I don't read comics, or I would have a better idea of who would be an actual real good candidate for writing a venture ep...
hell...
...I like to write...
...maybe...
me?
...
...a boy can dream, right?
As for new writers, I would like to see E.L.Doctorow do an ep. It is HIGHLY unlikely, but a boy can dream, right? Or what about Chuck Palahnuik? ah...it tickles the English major in me. Too bad I don't read comics, or I would have a better idea of who would be an actual real good candidate for writing a venture ep...
hell...
...I like to write...
...maybe...
me?
...
...a boy can dream, right?
- by Aquezio
- (unregistered id: CD64D62624)
The Tick live action series is available on DVD too, it's awesome. Jackson Publick (then known as Chris McCulloch) was a writer for both that and the animated series. In the first season of the animated series he only wrote one episode, and it was omited from the DVD for legal reasons.
As far as the comics go, everyone should check out the trade paperback collections of the original Tick series (written and drawn by Ben), and the first couple collections of "Tick: Karma Tornado" which were written by Chris McCulloch as well.
Getting some "legitimate" writers to work on the show would be wild! Maybe they'll farm out some episodes eventually to interested parties.
As far as the comics go, everyone should check out the trade paperback collections of the original Tick series (written and drawn by Ben), and the first couple collections of "Tick: Karma Tornado" which were written by Chris McCulloch as well.
Getting some "legitimate" writers to work on the show would be wild! Maybe they'll farm out some episodes eventually to interested parties.
- by S. Protagonist
- (unregistered id: DB9A9A39A0)
Hey, I guess I can stop lurking this forum for long enough to say that this episode was amazing, probably my new favorite (for the moment!). Did anyone else catch the subtle Trainspotting reference? When Brock passes out and starts hallucinating, he sinks into the carpet. It's the same as when Renton ODs on heroin in Trainspotting.
- by Bhaakon
- (unregistered id: AD711EE68D)
Awesome, awesome episode. If anything, they pack too much good stuff in, they could have made several great episodes out the plot lines in this one, wow.
the only thing is that the SFX and music were so loud that they drowned out some of the dialogue in the opening and Scooby Doo scenes.
the only thing is that the SFX and music were so loud that they drowned out some of the dialogue in the opening and Scooby Doo scenes.
- by WorstServedCold
- (unregistered id: 9C9A58C61F)
Jesus, how many shows can you think of off the top of your head where at least one out of every two new episodes released rekindles the debate of "best episode ever?"
It's not even like each is a vast improvement, you can go back and watch the prior "best" episode and it's STILL great. I love South Park, and even they in their later seasons (where they are at their best) can only pull a brilliant one out of the hat every 3 or 4 episodes, and THAT used to seem like such an accomplishment to me.
Speaking of South Park, what was done with cartoony sounds in this episode is what's done with animation and context there. Like, they can have a boy on steroids beating up his girlfriend and mother, and no matter how serious it's played or how shocking it COULD be, it's just funny as hell because it's a cartoon kid (a crippled one, no less). In this, all the most horrible or dramatic parts were overlayed by these goofy noises (*boink* when Ted was bullying Sonny stands out to me in particular) and it totally changed the tone without changing the scene. I love it.
I also agree that all of these episodes could spend some more time in the sound mixing booth. Some music is just too loud, and some lines just aren't clear. I know they are rushed and all, but really how hard would it be to have a couple outsiders that don't know the lines by heart come in and watch it and make note of anything they didn't quite catch? Of course, some things you couldn't even catch with this system “I never drive mad/men”, but it would probably help overall.
By the by, I think everyone here should make a point to bring this show up whenever possible to people or groups who perhaps don't yet know about it. It's got adult-oriented humor to the degree that most of it's target audience probably wouldn't find much else on AS (not including Family Guy) their cup of tea, and thus don't even know what they are missing.
I mean, I guess this show isn't going to be canceled any time soon (I swear at this point I can't remember if I heard season 3 was probable), but I still think we should do our parts to grow its' collection of loyal minions. Let us go spread the good word.
It's not even like each is a vast improvement, you can go back and watch the prior "best" episode and it's STILL great. I love South Park, and even they in their later seasons (where they are at their best) can only pull a brilliant one out of the hat every 3 or 4 episodes, and THAT used to seem like such an accomplishment to me.
Speaking of South Park, what was done with cartoony sounds in this episode is what's done with animation and context there. Like, they can have a boy on steroids beating up his girlfriend and mother, and no matter how serious it's played or how shocking it COULD be, it's just funny as hell because it's a cartoon kid (a crippled one, no less). In this, all the most horrible or dramatic parts were overlayed by these goofy noises (*boink* when Ted was bullying Sonny stands out to me in particular) and it totally changed the tone without changing the scene. I love it.
I also agree that all of these episodes could spend some more time in the sound mixing booth. Some music is just too loud, and some lines just aren't clear. I know they are rushed and all, but really how hard would it be to have a couple outsiders that don't know the lines by heart come in and watch it and make note of anything they didn't quite catch? Of course, some things you couldn't even catch with this system “I never drive mad/men”, but it would probably help overall.
By the by, I think everyone here should make a point to bring this show up whenever possible to people or groups who perhaps don't yet know about it. It's got adult-oriented humor to the degree that most of it's target audience probably wouldn't find much else on AS (not including Family Guy) their cup of tea, and thus don't even know what they are missing.
I mean, I guess this show isn't going to be canceled any time soon (I swear at this point I can't remember if I heard season 3 was probable), but I still think we should do our parts to grow its' collection of loyal minions. Let us go spread the good word.
- by TheHumanStain
- (unregistered id: BB000E7478)
Thank Cthulhu other people have noticed the poor sound quality - I thought I was just turning into an old fart!! Rushed production might have been a viable excuse 20 years ago, but with modern digital recording technology that no longer flies. It's either not caring or blatant incompetence at this point.
What did you say sonny? What's this I hear about endangered FECES??
What did you say sonny? What's this I hear about endangered FECES??
- by Mr. Flibble
- (unregistered id: 0A24E2C76D)
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
The audio mix on this episode was even more messed up than in "State Dinner". This is the second time the dialogue levels have been way below what they should, and I haven't got a clue what the hell they did to the sound effects tracks to make them so "echo-ey". I almost sounded like one of the channels was out of sync with the other.
It was too distracting, and then add the fact that I had to concentrate so much on the dialogue to fingure out what the hell anyone was saying, and I couldn't enjoy it at all.
I just hope they get it fixed for the DVD's.
The audio mix on this episode was even more messed up than in "State Dinner". This is the second time the dialogue levels have been way below what they should, and I haven't got a clue what the hell they did to the sound effects tracks to make them so "echo-ey". I almost sounded like one of the channels was out of sync with the other.
It was too distracting, and then add the fact that I had to concentrate so much on the dialogue to fingure out what the hell anyone was saying, and I couldn't enjoy it at all.
I just hope they get it fixed for the DVD's.
- by LBJ
- (unregistered id: D7FE743404)
I noticed the problems with sound too. I had the sound turned down as low as possible because my VB-hating girlfriend was in the same room watching something else. It seemed like every scene change involving the Scooby-doo-ish people was accompanied by harsh, loud sounds that made me turn the volume down. Then the dialogue would be too hard to hear and I'd have to turn it right back up.
- by LBJ
- (unregistered id: B3321FDCA5)
Hmm, yeah, she DOES have a pleasing contralto voice. How'd you know that? O.o
I haven't given up on converting her to VB. Her hatred of the show is born of sheer jealousy and ignorance... I'm certain that if I could tie her up and force her to watch the first season a few times, she'd see the light :D
I haven't given up on converting her to VB. Her hatred of the show is born of sheer jealousy and ignorance... I'm certain that if I could tie her up and force her to watch the first season a few times, she'd see the light :D
- by Roscoe
- (unregistered id: 9DD083DB39)
I just watched this one again and I noticed some new things I hadn't payed attention to before.
- I wonder who was giving the wrap it up signal to the Monarch? could it be that Dr. Killengers tactics worked and Dr. Girlfriend is back in the #2 spot?
-"We two souls have shared a cheese sandwitch more than twice."
-Astronaught ice cream.
-If the shaman is so damned smart, why did he call a dolphin a fish?
- Venturestien was wearing deans batman mask.
- I wonder who was giving the wrap it up signal to the Monarch? could it be that Dr. Killengers tactics worked and Dr. Girlfriend is back in the #2 spot?
-"We two souls have shared a cheese sandwitch more than twice."
-Astronaught ice cream.
-If the shaman is so damned smart, why did he call a dolphin a fish?
- Venturestien was wearing deans batman mask.
- by WorstServedCold
- (unregistered id: 9C9A58C61F)
One thing that came up on a different forum that I totally missed...
At the end, Venturestein made a shoe out of the dog foot. He did this because his bed training up to that point was in shoemaking. I hate having to spell out the joke, but I didn't even get it, and it was somehow obvious yet not.
Very, very funny though.
At the end, Venturestein made a shoe out of the dog foot. He did this because his bed training up to that point was in shoemaking. I hate having to spell out the joke, but I didn't even get it, and it was somehow obvious yet not.
Very, very funny though.
- by jus10ray
- (unregistered id: 4F9B48E63B)
"I feel like I got a stomach full of drunk bees."
Wow...just wow. Patrick Warburton has quite possibly the best job in the universe, if only because he was fortunate enough to say that line.
I agree that this was a f'ed up episode - perhaps the most f'ed up in VB's run so far, which is a remarkable assessment after watching a malformed clone with an oven for a torso try to kill its twin brother. I didn't care for it at first viewing; it seemed to complicated and noisy to follow. On second viewing, and after associating a washed-up Scooby gang with a handful of psychos, it's just brilliant.
It takes brains and balls to write a super-hero-type show in which the most action-packed scenes are tiny subplots, afterthoughts, and/or context-building snippets. The FPS scene in Viva, the Office-smashing opening of Caged Bird - less imaginative writers turn moments like those into drawn-out climaxes instead of intriguing prologues.
The quality of this show is off the charts. I can confidently and without hyperbole say that it makes every other endeavor in the history of human entertainment look like baboon vomit in a brown paper bag.
Wow...just wow. Patrick Warburton has quite possibly the best job in the universe, if only because he was fortunate enough to say that line.
I agree that this was a f'ed up episode - perhaps the most f'ed up in VB's run so far, which is a remarkable assessment after watching a malformed clone with an oven for a torso try to kill its twin brother. I didn't care for it at first viewing; it seemed to complicated and noisy to follow. On second viewing, and after associating a washed-up Scooby gang with a handful of psychos, it's just brilliant.
It takes brains and balls to write a super-hero-type show in which the most action-packed scenes are tiny subplots, afterthoughts, and/or context-building snippets. The FPS scene in Viva, the Office-smashing opening of Caged Bird - less imaginative writers turn moments like those into drawn-out climaxes instead of intriguing prologues.
The quality of this show is off the charts. I can confidently and without hyperbole say that it makes every other endeavor in the history of human entertainment look like baboon vomit in a brown paper bag.
- by Lady Au Par
- (unregistered id: F6A2B8027B)
- by Mondocurry
- (unregistered id: C3BB3D3F69)
sorry if it's been menntioned...had to skip down a ways to avoid seeing any spoilers about the final 2 episodes (don't want to see even a summary capsule before watching 'em)...
but..."They're not ghosts. They're the boys from Brazil." or something to that effect. 'best line ever?
I also thought it was interesting to see Doc coming out on top in this one, or at least sort of, compared to other episodes.
'love when truly twisted violence, like the boys getting bludegoned to death by "shaggy" and satanic "scoob," (another really great bit of ingenious writing)gets mixed in with the hillarity.
'can't wait for the final two!
but..."They're not ghosts. They're the boys from Brazil." or something to that effect. 'best line ever?
I also thought it was interesting to see Doc coming out on top in this one, or at least sort of, compared to other episodes.
'love when truly twisted violence, like the boys getting bludegoned to death by "shaggy" and satanic "scoob," (another really great bit of ingenious writing)gets mixed in with the hillarity.
'can't wait for the final two!
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