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A Very Venture Halloween Discussion
Here's your discussion thread for "A Very Venture Halloween"! For the uninitiated this is a place you can pop in to talk about the episode either while it's airing or after it's aired. You should note that there will probably be spoilers in the comments, so if you're not into that sort of thing you should probably stay out until you've seen it. As always, please respect your fellow Venture Bros. fans and enjoy! Don't forget to rate the episode after you've seen it (on the capsule page) and if you haven't you should also enter the Mantis-Eye Halloween giveaway. Have fun, and don't eat too much candy!

Update: If you missed the episode and have access to watch Adult Swim Gold episodes (generally if you pay for some sort of cable or satellite TV) "A Very Venture Halloween" is up on Adult Swim Video. No word yet on when it will be up as a non-Gold video, but probably next weekend.
Dean's goth style?
Dafuq?
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Oct. 28, 2012, 11:36pm
And Hatred's boobies?
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Oct. 28, 2012, 11:37pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I feel like we came in in the middle of something.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:20am
That's what I was afraid of...
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:22am
  • by joel
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We did. I believe this was supposed to be the fourth episode of season five, but production went faster on this episode to get it out on time.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 10:53pm
  • by Push You Down
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I think it's a reference to Fight Club and Meatloaf's "bitch tits."
Dermott did call their schnenanigans "project mayhem."

I do hope they aren't dipping into the sex-change well again.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 3:06am
It's called "gynecomastia". It's caused by aging, weight lifting, or (drum roll) chemical castration. You didn't think it was... odd, a sex offender handing out candy to kids?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration#Effects
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Oct. 30, 2012, 12:22am
  • by kid cadaver
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He must be trying to impress Triana
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Oct. 28, 2012, 11:40pm
or raging against the world
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Oct. 28, 2012, 11:43pm
Lets hope that's the case!!
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Oct. 28, 2012, 11:58pm
probably raging
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Feb. 16, 2013, 10:05am
YOU HUNGER FOR IT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKcybZZDH3U

MY...PLEASURE TOAST.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 7:30am
Pleasure toast is terrifying
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Feb. 16, 2013, 10:06am
I think Doc is trying to push the whole teen angst thing at least with Dean anyway. Throughout the special there were lots alluding to the boys trying to redefine themselves. The goth clothing, the dorm like bedroom makeover, the feeble attempts at facial hair growth.
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Nov. 2, 2012, 12:21am
  • by kid cadaver
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its over already!!!? Noooo!
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Oct. 28, 2012, 11:58pm
So.....do you think Dean tells Hank at the end? I'm thinking no, and rest of the season plays out with that in mind.

Who is Ben?
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Oct. 28, 2012, 11:59pm
  • by kid cadaver
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Yeah, I don't think he tells him either. And could Ben be another Uncle?
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:03am
Old Ben? That wizard is just a crazy old man. Now, tomorrow I want you to take that R2 unit to Anchorhead and have its memory erased. That'll be the end of it.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:03am
Who is Ben?
Benjamin Edlund.

"I brought you into the world...."
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:04am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I think that was J.K. Simmons.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:18am
  • by Ancient Romans
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I thought it was Gary Cole at first, and then JK Simmons. And then I blinked during the credits and missed the answer. So now I'm waiting for the west coast airing. (Computer down, sent from phone.)
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:28am
It was JK Simmons (I was 99% sure by the voice, and did catch it in the credits).
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:41am
  • by Ancient Romans
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Cool! J. Jonah Jameson!
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:45am
He'll always be Emil Skoda to me.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:37am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I agree, although I don't think it's going to come up again until at least mid-season.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:19am
I disagree. I think it will play out with Dean going through some inner turmoil over a few episodes while Hank blissfully continues to be Hank.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 9:08am
  • by General Hunter Gathers
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Looks like we've got another one of those premos here. Sonny, you're about to get that future-ball-bearing ass probed by O.S.I.! Be proud that we love to shove a vacuum tube inside your rectum!
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Jul. 30, 2013, 3:22am
  • by Joel
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This episode was mid-season.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 10:55pm
  • by V-Time
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Remember that Boys-Brigade-Picture in the Jonas-Venture-Museum of Jonas Venture?

Dr. Venture Senior has his hand on his shoulder? Could be him...
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Oct. 29, 2012, 4:25pm
  • by Pete
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I think that's Burt Manstrong, based on the build and physical characteristics. However, the boy scout with the afro is unaccounted for...

On a related note, Acton Johnny (who J.J. called "Mr. Quest" in '20 Years to Midnight') would have a father named Benton...so, that maybe? Ben, for short?
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Oct. 30, 2012, 4:22am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Yeah, no one ever said he was dead, did they ...
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Oct. 30, 2012, 12:40pm
Interesting. I don't think it's Benton Quest, he didn't talk at all like the Benton we knew from the old show, and I think he would given how Race was done well in the episode that he talked.
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Nov. 1, 2012, 9:50am
All I can think about now is how much I want some pleasure toast.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:09am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Well, that was ...epic. Always nice to see Jon Benjamin back in another wacky form. For a moment there, I thought they resurrected Santa after that jet incident in the 60's, but still not sure if anything in the Christmas special was canon.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:27am
I was thinking the same thing!
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Oct. 29, 2012, 9:09am
  • by Justin
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Good episode. I laughed at lot. I was looking forward to the Halloween Special just because I knew it would be Orpheus centered. It was cool to see more of the magic users in the Venture Bros. universe. The fact that Red Mantle was at the same meeting/party as The Triad and The Outrider would seem to suggest that the alliances of good and evil work differently amongst magic users vs. the other superheroes and villains.

Also....

Liked Dean's goth look.

Hatred's boobs. Was that his costume or is VB getting ready to head into some Mr./Mrs. Garrison South Park territory?

Will Dean tell Hank they are clones? That seems like a good moral quandary for the next season to rest on. Also who is Ben???
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:54am
  • by Justin
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So after watching the Halloween special I wanted to watch another Orpheus themed episode so I went back to watch A Better Man in Season 4 and something jumped out at me. In Season 4 The Master tells Triana about Dean and Hank being clones. He also tells Triana not to marry Dean because his "gene pool is more like a gene septic tank" and their children would be deformed. At the time I remember finding this very bleak but then also wondering if The Master was lying to Triana in an attempt to try and get her to go live with her mom and The Outrider.

Well in this episode we get some follow through on that because Ben (whoever he is) after examining Dean says that he's a perfect human specimen, "a miracle", with the exception that he'll one day need glasses like his dad. So maybe The Master was lying. Or Ben could be wrong. One of the underling themes in the series has been science vs. magic and this could make for an interesting test case.

Thoughts?
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:28am
The Master was lying. While there were several copies made, each copy was only cloned once (as opposed to "so many times [his] genepool is more like a gene septic tank")

At least that's what I'm counting on.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:44am
Good thoughts there. I always assumed the Master was vastly exaggerating to drive a point home with Triana.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 9:15am
  • by Timothy
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Yeah, that's what I thought.
Ben may be off.. or The Master could be lying.

I thought it was very interesting that Dean found out in a similar bizzare surreal fashion that he was a clone from a man he had just met after wandering into an unknown place, just as Triana did in that other ep when she went into the closet.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 7:35pm
  • by TheEvilEye
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Well... I loved it.

Easily a 9.5 outta 10 rated episode.

It was high time H. Jon "the master" Benjamin came back!!
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:55am
  • by The Tick
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Hatred has boobs now the whole season 5 I believe.

Fatty man boobs... sex change in the works.. or wild bet??

Find out!
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:57am
  • by gotobedjackson
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possibly indulging one of ptf's kinks
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Jan. 20, 2013, 8:26pm
It was okay. I'm as die-hard a Venture fan as I am, but Doc and Jackson are a little too in love with their characters, and not with a forward thrusting plot. As much fun as it was to be back in the Venure-verse... nothing really happened in this episode. The jokes were solid, but meandering episodes like this tend to be my least favorie (IE Revenge Society).

/irritatednerdrant
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:03am
The Revenge Society was above bar, we'll get that outta the way first.

As far as a special goes, it isn't supposed to be plot forwarding. It's a.. well it's special.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:07am
I don't even mean the overall plot... just, any plot. One doesn't bring in undead OSI and Monarch henchman if you're not going to fully utilize them.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:27am
  • by Justin
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What do you mean fully utilize them? What did you want to happen?
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:29am
And one simply doesn't raise an army of zombies just because one can. I think we can all learn something from this lesson.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:51am
  • by The Tick
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I disagree.

Dean finding out he was cloned was big plot advancement!

Spoon!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oct. 29, 2012, 2:11am
  • by Truckules
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DAMN Sexy Freddy Krueger!
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:32am
  • by Cartoonofilia
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How dare you guys, it was bad enough that I have had a boy crush on Dean since I accidentally saw the show on AS years ago, and since then became addicted, even losing my reallife BF over my obsession, yet...now you tease me further as a monkeyesque creature sniffs then fondles my precious DEAN.... and then making DEAN a tad darker and dare I say SEXIER, Lord help me, I am a Cartoonofile, lock me up, but seriosuly, growing up closeted and intially dreaming about Johnny Quest was bad enough, being a fan of Patrick W did not help and being a Bowie worshipper to boot, this series is my entire life growing up from D&D to role playing to wishing I would never grow-up, get out of my head ...... LOVE YOU GUYS!
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:54am
Must've been hard for you when they raped him in season 3.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:59am
  • by Tim
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The new show was great, but my Mom wants to know why so many male characters get boobs on this show?
And do the creators have a bizzare man breast fetish??
Hunter and Gentleman are good past examples.
Can anyone answer this?
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Oct. 29, 2012, 2:13am
Col Gentleman never had boobs. I mean he had man boobs but that's different.

The answer to your question is probably "because Jackson and Doc think it's funny" though
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Oct. 29, 2012, 2:23am
"Yes, I belong in here, I just have a deep voice."
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Oct. 29, 2012, 2:25am
Brock kinda had them after staying with with Steve Summers and Sasquatch too.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 3:05am
We now know what Doc was talking about when he mentioned "something has changed in Season 5 and it's obivious in the Halloween special". Well, that would be Hatreds new rack! Fave part was "Super-F'in-Runaway!"
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Oct. 29, 2012, 10:11am
I loved that part too. New Hank cusses.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 10:42am
  • by Snailo
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The Wilhelm scream is back (I think) when "Santa" kills the zombies!
Also, Dragoon and Red Mantle are hilarious as always.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 3:41pm
You are correct, sir! The Wilhelm scream lives on. It seemed a bit of an odd choice at that moment since: 1) they are zombies 2) there was only one discernible scream, not many.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 4:15pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Hive mind, perhaps?
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Oct. 30, 2012, 12:41pm
It seems that rusty has accepted that he's Dermott's dad and assuming some responsibilty in his upbringing. 'go back out side and ring the door bell'.

'your dressed like an enchanted mime'

'Bacon brownies in the backdoor...'

'Beer taste like pee-pee'
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Oct. 29, 2012, 6:09pm
  • by Dinobot 2
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Yes, it seems as though after the SG special Rusty has accepted that Dermott is his other son, and is treating him as such now,

Also you forgot to mention: "Super fucking run away!"
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Oct. 29, 2012, 7:25pm
  • by cpc65
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I think Dermott said "Bakin' brownies in the back door". That's what I got out of it anyways.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 9:25pm
Yeah, "baking brownies" is a somewhat common euphemism for someone who is farting a bunch. "Bacon brownies" just sound kind of awesome.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 12:23pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I'd eat bacon brownies if they were offered, but yeah it's baking for sure.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 12:42pm
Awesome. 'Pleasure Toast' Cenobite!
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Oct. 29, 2012, 6:27pm
  • by The Tick
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Update: If you missed the episode and have access to watch Adult Swim Gold episodes (generally if you pay for some sort of cable or satellite TV) "A Very Venture Halloween" is up on Adult Swim Video. No word yet on when it will be up as a non-Gold video, but probably next weekend.

Update 2: Adult Swim is reairing the episode once on Halloween night as well.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 7:23pm
  • by The Tick
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Update 3: The new episode is also up on itunes for sale.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 10:15pm
Informative
Finished my review. Spoiler: I loved it.

http://noiselesschatter.com/2012/10/29/review-the-venture-bros-a-very-venture-halloween/

I used to write these for Noise to Signal during season 3, for those of you who were around then. I seem to remember them going over quite well, but if for any reason I'm not welcome to post these here, please let me know and I'll stop. :) But know I'll be doing the whole season anyway, on my blog, and I hope to see you there.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 8:42pm
Nice review was nice.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 11:26pm
  • by TheEvilEye
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An excellent review that actually has depth and thought written into it.

I agree, Venture Bros. is one of the last places I feel welcome and I'm not just watching a dumb T.V. show like with everything else these days!
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Oct. 30, 2012, 6:33pm
That means a lot. :) Thank you for the kind words!
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Oct. 30, 2012, 10:04pm
Great job!
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Nov. 2, 2012, 12:46am
The capsule/notes will take longer but I put the screencaps up last night: http://mantiseye.com/episode/a_very_venture_halloween

For this season the full sized ones are in full 720p resolution, so if you have a big enough monitor they should be in full HD! If not they'll just be scaled down.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 12:26pm
  • by Jory
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I thought the episode was okay. The show looks and sounds pretty good. The plot was a bit of a mess but overall wasn't too bad. The entire zombie element felt entirely perfunctory and unthreatening, though the zombie crowd was full of fun callbacks and it was good to see the Master again. I thought a lot of the dialog felt pretty strong and natural. Ben was a fun character and I enjoyed Dr. Venture's and Dermott's characterization throughout. What a couple of assholes.

Did anyone but me think that the gags had no teeth? The episode had a few light chuckles but for the most part the jokes just completely failed to land. Are we really supposed to find the word "balls" funny? Like, three times? I feel like a dick for saying so, but I wish J&D would have someone else critique their scripts so they can figure out what needs punching up. They obviously care a lot about the characters and the stories, but the goofs need some serious "oomph".

That said, the 'sode was not a bad start at all. I'm looking forward to the new season, though I've still got my fingers crossed for some female characters (with speaking parts, please!)
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Oct. 30, 2012, 5:31pm
  • by cpc65
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I didn't see any complaints about the quality of animation from Titmouse so I assume everyone liked it. I liked some of the little touches like through the kitchen window at the beginning you could see some leaves on the ground by the pool instead of them using the same old view of that area.

I know they only had so much time here, but it would have been a good episode to bring back Venturestein. I thought I saw him as one of the zombies but it was so quick I couldn't be sure.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 5:48pm
The animation was done by the same studio that's always done the show (in Korea), not Titmouse. Them animating the Shallow Gravy thing was a one-time deal. The storyboards and layouts are now done at Titmouse, however, but the staff seems to be mostly the same people who have worked on the last couple of seasons.

Also Venturestein is confirmed for season five! Would be too easy to bring him back in an episode with zombies though.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 5:56pm
  • by Exactly, Go Team Mike!!
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Titmouse also has a bunch of the old crew from World Leaders working on pre-production as well.

Only the SG special looked strange b/c it was all done in New York.

The shows animation is still all done in Korea, pre-production and post is what gets done in the USA.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 6:31pm
  • by Joel
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When will quotes from this episode be up? I really need to save Orpheus's quote on Halloween. Loved it and the whole episode!
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Oct. 30, 2012, 11:01pm
  • by cpc65
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It is up on dailywav.com, both written and the audio clip.
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Oct. 31, 2012, 10:44pm
  • by cpc65
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It was posted on 10/31, of course. If you go there now you'll have to click "previous month".
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Nov. 1, 2012, 6:41pm
  • by TheEvilEye
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Big Ratings News:

Just under 1.5 million tuned in.
Those numbers are very good!
That beats most (all but two) new "Futurama" episodes this year in pure number of viewers by comparison to another adult themed cable animated program.
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Oct. 31, 2012, 7:00pm
  • by cpc65
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Yeah, I was a fan of Futurama during it's original run, but like so many other animated shows that have come back from the dead I don't find it to be as good as it was. Not bad, mind you, just that it's lost it's edge somewhat.
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Oct. 31, 2012, 9:51pm
It sounds like this is a fantastic episode, now I just need to find it online
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Oct. 31, 2012, 11:30pm
  • by GO TEAM ME!
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A big thanks is going out to Jackson and Doc for the wondeful new eye candy.

Love, the Fans.
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Nov. 1, 2012, 8:29pm
I absolutely loved Orpheus in this episode! Holiday specials tend to rest on the premise that they're making a statement about the true meaning of that holiday. The notion that Halloween is when we're our true selves, or that it allows us the time to explore our options fit perfectly with the rest of the episode. It created a wonderful symmetry that brought together the various story threads in really productive way, while also keeping up with traditions of other holiday specials.

Given that VB is one of the few Adult Swim series concerned with character development, this sort of work is always a treat. If things continue as they did here, I think we're in for a real treat next year!
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Nov. 1, 2012, 10:31pm
  • by kijunshi
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OK, as a long-lurking fan, I'm going to indulge myself and write a stupidly long comment outlining my best guesses about what's going down this upcoming season, based on hints in this (amazing) Halloween special.

--Hatred's boobs - think the commenter above nailed it; chemical castration seems to be the reason. Which most likely means that pedophilia jokes are over, at least for now. Which ALSO means that he is most likely *not* with Princess Tinyfeet in any way...

--Doc changing his attitude to Dermott - wouldn't be surprised if this is referenced in the season opener next spring. I wonder if there was any phone call to the Fictel house or any other, uh, consultation that took place after the realization? Probably not.

--Dean being goth - oh man, oh man. That is going to be THE thing in the season opening. I suspect there's going the be a new resistance to super science and to inheriting the Venture business right along with it... He's been the kid who's changed the least so far, so this is going to throw everyone for a loop. Unless Doc and Jackson do a cold-cut away from it (OK, that is also entirely possible) there is going to be some serious conflict with Rusty right off the bat.

--Related to that - how in god's name did Dean get Rusty's/Hatred's OK for the black speedsuit? I don't think you can just go buy one of those at Hot Topic...

--Also related to that - Dean made a crack about it "burning when he peed" and referenced a woman. Granted, it was just for a moment, but Rusty seemed to think this was *a thing that could actually happen*. I don't think he would have believed it in the middle of Season 4. Two possibilities: Dean actually hangs out with a new crowd (doubtful), or he's become even more withdrawn and less likely to spend time with anyone, and his Dad has no idea what the hell he does anymore. Oh, poor Dean ;_;

--Who else wants to bet money that Dean now includes a selection of badly-written emo poetry in that newspaper he prints? I'm in for $50.

--Brock - almost certainly off doing awesome shit for OSI. Probably doesn't visit all that often any more. Patrick Warburton didn't even seem to know the season's plot, which is a sign that he's not super-involved in it. I wonder if this will change for Season 6?

--Pete and Billy - still together, uh, probably not in that way, but you know what I mean. Still living together, despite Billy making noises about dumping his lame roommate late last season and gaining the means to be independent. I think there will be at least one episode referencing that this season.

--Dermott dressing up as The Crow was all kinds of hilarious. He's secretly super-dramatic on the inside, even as he projects very successfully the image of a douche. Ah teenagers!

--There's something a little touching about the thought that the friendship Hank currently has with Dermott was so important to him that he erased his own memory of the first time he had sex to preserve it. Yeah, it would have left a bad aftertaste no matter what, but watching this episode I was struck that the friendship was probably also a big factor.

--Deep irony that Dean was the one called a "baby" in this episode, but that he was the one whose childhood effectively ended through finding out about the clones.

--I'm certain that even though we didn't see it, Dean also found out the identity of his mother in the same conversation. It's been *the* animating question through the last 3 seasons, even though it's clear that Rusty has no intent of answering it, and I think the temptation of finally meeting someone who will give him a straight answer was too much to overcome. Given that, and given his dejected expression, I'm more certain than ever that his mother truly is Myra. I'm pretty sure he remembers her from Season 2. That means that not only was he thinking about his clone-ness, but also probably dealing with the end of the last of his fantasies that he had some sort of a female figure somewhere out there who would love him unconditionally - without trying to kidnap him or breastfeed him at 16, anyway. Ouch.

Weirdly enough I think that Rusty's decision to take the kids away from Myra was more loving and protective than the cloning - Myra was unstable from the beginning, probably snapped completely due to post-partum depression. She may have even tried to kill them (and didn't she succeed a few times, also?) Whereas the clones were more because Rusty wanted to keep living his father's lifestyle...

--The master - wtf? I thought he was the devil, but instead he ended up doing the morally right thing? Or perhaps he has his own reasons. Beyond human understanding and all.

--I have a feeling those yearly magical society meetings used to be a lot cooler back in the day.

--This series has all but spelled out that Orpheous got dumped by his wife because he couldn't satisfy her in bed, but holy cow, was this a signpost or what? Also: I'd thought that the relationship was on the rocks between Tatiana and the Outrider, but it looks like they're going strong again.

--I think that Ben will appear again in the series - as a guide to Dean if nothing else, as he's the only one in the entire series so far willing to talk straight to him (and even he uses words like "boo-boo", but maybe Dean just inspires that in people). I think there's a good chance that Dean could start to dabble in some black science this season as well.

--OK, I'll just call it - I think Season 5 is going to be for Dean what Season 4 was for Hank - hella loads of character development, ending with his destiny relatively clear ahead of him. Hank is pretty clearly going to be a successful business owner, most likely after a stint in OSI. He'll always be involved with and love this crazy lifestyle. I hope - hope hope hope - that Dean learns how to deal with it and escape it, but I suspect his arc will be a lot darker. I also suspect he will lose his virginity this season as well, and it will be just as awful as Hank's but in a different way.

And that's it... a thousand words on a Halloween special. Sigh. Why oh why do I love this show so much...
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Nov. 2, 2012, 1:31am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Because it's a good show. I agree with the last 5 points but still have my doubts about what's happening with everything else. We'll have to see though ...
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Nov. 2, 2012, 4:14am
  • by beb
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Ben is very problematic for the series. He is a major character, living on the Venture Compound introduced in the fifth season. It's hard to believe that Hank and Dean have never violated their father's order to stay away from the old Potter place. They're death-prone kids; tell them not to run with scissors and they will run with scissors. So in 18 years they have never run into Ben before. And he doesn't look like the kind of guy who goes around mind-wiping people just because they learned an inconvenient truth. This is a major Retcon and I think it's a badly done one.

Myra has to be the boy's mother because she knows they're older than they think they are (Time lost warming up a new set of slugs). The question is, did she go insane before the boys were cloned, or because the boys were cloned. I think the latter. Burying your chldren one day and a month later being presented with ... "your sons" still alive would break a lot of people's minds.

And if Dean suffers from Fetia whatever like his father, does that mean he's carrying Jonas III inside him?
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Nov. 2, 2012, 1:19pm
More importantly regarding the Fetia (I forget what it is to but looked it up and it's a deformed fetal cyst), is does this mean it's a possible by product of cloning (since Ben knew about the cloning) and that Rusty may also be a clone?
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Nov. 2, 2012, 1:47pm
Yeah if Ben and Jonas are the ones who perfected cloning then it's entirely possible they did so because Rusty died at some point.
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Nov. 2, 2012, 1:59pm
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Or that Jonas was sterile and needed an heir to continue the leadership of the Guild. Remember that Dean had to anoint Bowie as Soverign to end Phantom Limb's take-over attempt so So a son was vital for Jonas but for all his philandering there are no bastard Ventures, just the one and only Rusty (and his embedded twin Jonas, Jr.
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Nov. 2, 2012, 6:26pm
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Are you *sure* there are no bastard Ventures? I can think of two pretty strong possibilities - Dr. Quym and the Monarch - right off the bat...

I personally thought that Jonas had an "oops" moment with one of his many women who couldn't or didn't want to take care of a child, and realized that he could make a profit (in the long term) off of Rusty just like all his other inventions.

To take a darker turn, I also suspect that Jonas Jr. is actually an attempt at making a clone of the original Jonas, and that it was grown inside of Rusty either as an accidental byproduct - or perhaps even more creepily, using him as a host. Sure, Rusty was probably cloned with that technology for convenience's sake too, but doesn't it make more sense that as he developed the technology, somewhere in the back of Jonas' mind, he was thinking of making himself immortal?
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Nov. 2, 2012, 8:39pm
Ben said there was no sign of fetiform teratoma in Dean, meaning he doesn't share the same affliction as his father.

Also Myra seemed like she went insane well before the boys were born. The scene where she is being taken away right when Brock shows up they boys are infants and all of their deaths appear to have occurred during their teenage years. She could still be their mother, but she was unhinged from the start.
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Nov. 2, 2012, 1:53pm
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The boys think they are about three years younger than Myra does so there is a limit how old the boys were when they first died. Since the slugs age as the same rate as a normal person. It would take three years to Rusty to grew a three year old slug. Hence the boys were at mostly 1 or 2 when they died the first time. Doc and JP may have shown the boys dying numerous times when they were teenagers but they first time had to be early so that there is only a three year gap between their assumed age and the age Myra thinks (knows) them to be.

I misread the capsule comment about "fetiform teratoma." thinking Ben had said he did have it when he said he do NOT. mea culpa.
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Nov. 2, 2012, 6:37pm
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Though the boys dying as babies would be appropriately ghastly, I suspect that Rusty just didn't think to clone them until they were 3 or so. Perhaps things had been safer for those first years, or perhaps that's how long it took him to resurrect and perfect the technology?
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Nov. 2, 2012, 8:42pm
Ben says that Dean is fine except his failing vision but that he'd look nice with some Buddy Holly glasses. Ben also mentions that Dean is FREE of any fetiform teratoma. The same condition that his father suffered from in Season one.
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Nov. 2, 2012, 9:27pm
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Dean and Hank are clones... the 13th or 14th set... I forget which set they are on.

Anyway, who is to say that Ben hasn't met all the other clones of Dean.. and it just so happens it took this Dean a little longer to go over to that house.

Ben knew that Dean was the 14th clone copy, so maybe he'd met Deans 1-13.

I'm sorry but your rants against the best ainmated show in the world are paper thin.
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Nov. 3, 2012, 4:49pm
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To clarify my comment was at Beb only.
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Nov. 3, 2012, 4:52pm
Nice post. I am surprised you didn't hit the character limit since I don't think I put anything in place to indicate when someone does (though I probably should, I guess!)
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Nov. 2, 2012, 1:20pm
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Heh, thanks! Sorry to clog the page and all - I gulped when I scrolled up after posting ^_^;;
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Nov. 2, 2012, 8:33pm
Never apologize!
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Nov. 3, 2012, 11:59am
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I always thought Ruisty was a clone too, but Jonas Venture Jr. always squashed that theory.

Now your telling me... he almost certainly is a clone b/c of that fetiform teratoma??

Wicked!
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Nov. 3, 2012, 4:39pm
Jonas Venture Jr. doesn't squash that theory. What if a skin particle of Jonas's falls off him into the test tube embryo of Rusty, DNA gets embedded into one zygote cell, and then somehow forms into the embedded twin of Rusty. Happy accident!

I doubt Doc perfected using the "Leaning beds" to acquire all thought processes/memories from a sleeping person, transferring them into a machine, and then transferring them into 'sleeping' clone slugs. I'm sure Jonas and Ben did all this work on someone in the past, and it's likely to have been Rusty. Doc just took over after it was all left to him. Doc does have some super-science abilities, but this seems beyond him.
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