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11 days ago
Fantastic end to an epic season!
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11 days ago
I haven't watched this episode yet but does it bug anyone else that every episode in season seven starts with "The" except for "Arrears in Science"? Just me?
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11 days ago
  • by Repressed Grotesque Human
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I think it's an homage to The Hudsucker Proxy and other inscrutible, old-guard titles. It'd be a good question to ask Doc and Jackson at the NYCC panel.
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11 days ago
I think every Doc Hammer episode is "The Blank Blank" too. Weird difference from their other seasons with more varied episode titles.
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11 days ago
Not at all
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10 days ago
but... the symmetry!
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9 days ago
  • by Repressed Grotesque Human
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I guessed the season would end with Hank starting his vigilante training with Nite Dick, but here's Hank's back as The Bat.

If there is a season 8 coming maybe they'll get into Rusty and Malcolm being blood relations and find Bobbi Saint Simone, actress, and Hank and Dean's mom. Maybe she'll live out in LA and Hank will Bruce Banner's his way cross country to meet her. Maybe Dean will follow Hank and they'll get to meet her together and she's more a Dr. Orpheus than a Jonas Venture, Sr.
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11 days ago
A "Darkman" reference at the end, awesome!
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11 days ago
Thank god for the end to an increasingly crappy season.
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11 days ago
  • by zombiejesus
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No need for that beb.
It's okay that you didn't like it. A lot of others here did.
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11 days ago
You should probably just find another show to watch if you thought that was crappy.
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10 days ago
Could you repeat that beb?

We couldn't hear you over Your Mom screaming Brock's name.
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10 days ago
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. No need to razz on those who see some things differently from the majority. I can sort of see where beb is coming from. I don't feel as strongly about it as them, but there were a few points in the latter half of the season I wasn't totally jiving on, but still not bad. Overall way better than most shows anyway. Such is the nature of entertainment media.
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8 days ago
While one is entitled to an educated opinion, one is also not protected from suffering the obvious consequences of acting as a petulant child.
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8 days ago
How is beb calling it "an increasingly crappy season" being petulant? You don't have to agree with it, but there's no need to put someone down because you have a difference of opinion with them. Are you the appointed VB Opinion Guardian? Must everyone love it as much as you? (Oh, wait. This is the internet) I've been here since about a year after Mike started this site. This has always been more of a Fansite than a FanBoy Site. There's Reddit for that.
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7 days ago
I expected there would some push back from that comment but I wasn't expecting to be told to (in effect) "drop dead and go away." Harsh man, really harsh.

Look, I've been a fan of VB since the first season. I have followed every season, bought most of the DVDs, and wrote a half-dozen fan-fics (which you can find at FanFiction.net. My handle is "beb") I have been invested with this series. But the last couple seasons just haven't thrilled me like they had before. And this year, which started out OK totally grossed me out with The Unicorn on Captivity. I felt like was gut-punched, much the way Captain V was gut-punched in the Forecast Manufacturer episode. That episode left such a pall over me that I could not enjoy any of the remaining episodes, often finding myself bored and wishing the episode would hurry-up and finish. And finally I found the whole Dean sleeps with Serena illogical. First because Dean has not been that bad a brother to Hank. Sleeping with Hank's girlfrieind seems like the kind of line Dean would not cross. The other thing is that saying Dean slept with Hank's girlfriend denies Serena any agency in the matter. She was the only who could consent to having sex with Dean. If anyone is at faultl here, it is Serena.

Finally, adding insult to injury, neither Barbarella or The Empire Strikes Back were great science fiction movies. They were OK but not great. Better SF movies were Forbidden Planet and "Star Wars" (aka A New Hope)
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2 days ago
A show like this was eventually bound to attract fanboys who tend to get all worked up when someone dares to criticize the show, or not totally adore it every bit as much as they do (how dare you). I'll bet they're mostly Jonny-Come-Latelys too who heard about it from a friend and now it's all hip to be a Venture fan. Also, just look at our current trumpified social climate. The prevailing "You're either 100% on OUR side or you're not one of US so we mock you" attitude.

While I wasn't down on season 7 as much as you I can at least respect where you are coming from and understand why not everyone might have thought it was a perfect season end to end. It is pretty hard to top the beginning 3 episode arc, but that was intended to be the true finale of last season. And while I was not put off by the, er, graphicness of Unicorn (more like surprised they finally went that far) I can understand why others might not have liked it.
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17 hours ago
Man, its gonna be a long wait to next season.
-I love that Dean knows so much more than everyone else. He's really evolved so much as a character over the years.
-I laughed harder at all of Brock's stuff this episode than I have all season, so that was great.
-Everything with Monarch/21 was fantastic, I love that they openly call each other best friends.
-Hank's coma purgatory was clever and threw some curve balls at us. I really didn't expect Phage to show up. I should have given Doc and Jackson more credit, I thought they just forgot about him. :-P
-I can't wait to see where they go with the Rusty/Monarch connection. I love/hate they they didn't explicitly say brothers or half brothers. They could be either, or something Jonas Sr. cooked up in the lab. Maybe we/they will get their answers next season. :)
-Overall, great season, and great finale. Not quite as epic as some previous ones, but felt like more of a finale than last season's abrupt end.
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11 days ago
"I learned to count when I was 3"
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10 days ago
  • by Mr. Mostly Mittens
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Wow! I loved this episode! My only critique is that we still didn’t get to see the Order of the Triad in their new NYC HQ. Well, I guess we’ll get to see more next season two years from now. Or a between-season special again. Anyone else pine for the days of the old 13-episode run? 10 episodes go so fast. I’ll have to tide myself over by purchasing the art book. And Red Dead Redemption 2.
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11 days ago
  • by zombiejesus
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Ok, I love that the Guild guys are teleporting in, and have no idea of the surface that they're teleporting in on, and keep tripping off the shelf on the receive.
I want to remind you all of this amazing treatise on teleportation:
https://www.e-reading.club/chapter.php/75689/7/Niven_-_All_The_Myriad_Ways.html

And, yes, Hank is correct that Empire is the greatest Space Fantasy Movie Evar {I still like Barbarella, which gave us Durand Durand. And his Orgasmatron. And the Black Queen [Pretty Pretty (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak1227_mOqU)]}.
The "actors in front of a movie background (probably post-camera editing)" styling of Hank and Rodney on the sled was spot on.

Where does the Blackout team come from? The Guild is never shown recruiting the rank and file.
I presume Watch and Ward are in charge of that crap.
But, Brock piled up a lot of Guild guys. How many do they have?
Okay, I already know that the answer is "more".
I have really missed Brock going sick-house.

Monarch is reaching up inside a log.
No chance that that isn't already a euphemism for "turd". Right?
(Yes, I know, it's from something else. Everything is. "There is nothing but collage." -Ephige, 612 BC.)
And he's reaching in a log, through shit, to find some gem, like any good sport. (I didn't have to actually paw through shit during my Fraternal Initiation, but there were similar indiscretions.)

Next:
Unkel Vatred is a stand up guy. He's sincere.

"Saphrax, heavy with goat, and burdened with terrible chicken..."
I have chaired Manitiations. They are exactly like this. Necessarily absurd.
"Are you certain that you are not a cabbage, or something, in disguise?"
(Okay, I'm giving too much away. Shut up zeej.)

"I'm jealous that you don't care you're dressed like Batman in public."
I did, actually get over that with my brother (TMI).

"What about you, guy with a bead on me who needs to reload?"
<Click.>
Can anyone love Brock more?

And, I totally don't mind Phineas Phage (Gage) turning up as John Philip Law's angel.
"Angel IS love."
I've seen Barbarella, like, dozen times, and I still don't know what the Matmos is.

That kid has moxie:
https://www.drinkmoxie.com/img/timeline/full/20_01.jpg

"I love you. I lo- POOP!"

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I love you all.
Chat with you in two years.
Go Team Venture!
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11 days ago
  • by Aaaanon
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I love that after 7 seasons we finally have a working definition of 'arching', courtesy of the Saphrax story: Turning a grudge into a career.
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6 days ago
I, too, wonderd where the blackout team came from. All through this season it appeared that the Guild consisted of 5 council members and Watch and Ward. A vast downgrade from the vast and all-powerful agency seem in the first season's Trial of the Monarch."
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2 days ago
  • by Eartha Kite & Dismalicious Winds from Provo
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Oh...Phage phucking rules! Diff Strokes! HA!!! This was so devastatingly good, the bounce around storyline was so well done.
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10 days ago
Anyone need a pee break?
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10 days ago
Fuck yes.
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9 days ago
  • by Rented Mule
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So why was Brock looking for a gun under Hatred’s desk? Brock would never use a gun, that’s cheating!
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9 days ago
  • by zombiejesus
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Captain V, I look forward to your deep take on this episode.

Jeez, every season seems heavier than the last.
New pro- and antagonists get introduced, and we (I) want so much more history and lore.
10 episodes are never enough.
I would love some more ancillary materiel, from the source.
Trading cards (yes, I know of these, and they are spectacular: https://venturebrostc.tumblr.com).
Comix, encyclopedia entries (yes, I know of the wiki http://venturebrothers.wikia.com/wiki/Venture_Brothers_Wiki, and refer to it often).
I want notes from the whiteboard at Astrobase.
I want the deep lore of everything.
I want the histories and connections of all of it.
Please?
This universe is so reflective and reactive and repetitive.

Om. Nomnom.
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9 days ago
Rewatching the episode for, maybe the 8th time now, I do have a question about the teleporter.

There were 2 discs originally, so I'm curious if the Guild was able to reverse engineer the disc to create more, or if there are still only the 2 discs, how did the Guild successfully get one of the discs into Ven-Tech Tower so the blackout team could complete their mission of getting Rusty out?
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9 days ago
Definitely still only two, since someone was griping about having to travel to Meteor Majeure. I have the same question about why they needed the transporter if they could get it in there, but I assume it's something along the lines of "it's easier to sneak one guy in when everyone's out than 15 people when Doc's home".
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9 days ago
Knowing Rusty the Guild just shipped one of the disks to him via UPS and Doc was like, "Cool! I got one back!" and stashed it in that closet without even thinking that it could be used as a means of ingress and egress. I guess it doesn't have an off switch, and that whichever member of the blackout team went first drew the short straw. Though in the end, they ALL drew the short straw.
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8 days ago
This is how I took it, but I'm guessing Doc and team don't know what was in the box and they just placed the package labeled something mundane for the research division in the appropriate storage room. Given the dimensions of the box sent, it makes sense how the guildmen knew how low to duck when being teleported.
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8 days ago
  • by Blixa Barfgold & Followpillow1&2
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Since this is pure fantasy astral coma / unconscious stroke projection in Hank's playtime brain, but, do you want to take a guess if Think Tank
is out of the hospital yet? Also why was Stars & Garters serenading him? Is he a hospital worker? Knowing only the professor-college side of Think Tank (ex student)? A member of the NY Dolls who works for anyone with insurance?
KILLer seaSON!
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8 days ago
Stars & Garters (Prof. Tomkins for U.S. Military History) is Think Tank's substitute teacher, I guess they are work friends.
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8 days ago
I think this is more Protagonists needing their Antagonists. Same thing as Captian Sunshine freaking out at Boggles The Clue Clown's funeral.
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7 days ago
  • by Destroyo
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Well, all of my plot predictions were a bust. Still a nice end to see the Monarch and 21 bond so well this season.

The log test was a ref to the movie Flash Gordon; Doc and Jackson must have been on a schlock sci-fi kick when writing these eps.
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7 days ago
  • by Aaaanon
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Thx for the Flash Gordon ref. The log test was itching my brain and I couldn't make any connection.
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7 days ago
  • by Aaaanon
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So many parallels and doppelgangers. Of course we now have 2 sets of Venture Brothers. Hank and Dean are on track to also split into one good and one evil (to use designations to which the Guild vehemently objects). But which is which -- Hank adopts Batman mask, which is clearly a good guy persona, and Dean just got done articulating why he's a bad brother. I'm even getting confused about the Monarch and the Dr.... Rusty is crappy in so many ways (but he's not out to harm the Monarch). And the Monarch is in a (somewhat) solid, loving marriage, and has a bestie in Gary, but wants to harm Rusty.

Bring on the Ocho!!!
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7 days ago
While the Bat (Batman) is a good character that Hank is wearing a mask makes him more like the Monarch than his father (who does not wear a mask, but has been a crappy father.

Despite his long list of reasons Dean has been a bad brother most of the items listed are pretty trivial. He may be a crappy brother but he hasn't been an evil one. So I think Dean will because like his father while Hank will become Dean's Archnemesis., like like Malcolm and Thaddeus. Why does Malcolm hate Rusty so much, because suub-consciously he does remember Rusty taking his truck away from him as a child.
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2 days ago
18 days ago
  • by Captain V
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I can't believe Dean was fucking her and Hank found out that way.
Scare Bear not wanting chips was great. And of course Hank saying he's not sharing.
I had a horrible day. And this episode fucked me up.
I thought the love triangle angle would be fun... nope.
Poor Hank. Dean Venture... doesn't give a fuck anymore.
It literally makes me feel awful.
I'm on Team Hank. Fuck Dean. He's the new Jonas Sr.
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18 days ago
So does Sirena have nanobots in her now too? Recall the point of entry.
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18 days ago
  • by Captain V
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Damn. That's a good joke.
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18 days ago
  • by zombiejesus
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Hearts and hugs for you Captain V.
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18 days ago
  • by Captain V
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Thanks. I appreciate the kind words.
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18 days ago
Yup, I didn't realize how real the characters seem now, its a completely different show to Season 1, something like this feels like a major punch in the gut. At first I felt like Doc and Jackson didn't properly set the audience up for this, but after a 2nd watch I'm really glad they didn't because it really puts the viewer in Hank's shoes, and lets you sympathize with his pain.

There something not quite right about this whole scenario though with Scare Bear somehow knowing that Hank should go to the dorm or even how to get there, Hank concussed (or still even in snow at the pole, hallucinating.) And then Grover Cleveland's presidential time machine with Doc and Billy trying to fix something in the past. They said they had to go back even further to "fix this too".

At first I was hoping this wasn't real, but now I'm hoping Doc and Jackson stick with it.
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18 days ago
I too was disturbed at how this one ended, and have a hard time forgiving Dean.. but on second watching this episode had a lot of great things.

The return of the Grover Cleveland time machine, remember that old piece of stupid, I have been waiting for that since season one. With a time machine and teleportation the final episode of the season should be interesting.

I have a prediction for "scare bear". With him holding Hank we get an idea of his scale. He could really only be either Brock or Hatred. With Brock being dressed at different times as a wookie, a yeti-mummy, a robot, and at one point in the Christmas episode as the ghost of Christmas future he has dressed in costumes before. I don't know why he would reveal that to Hank or how he physically could be able to ( time travel?) but my guess is "scare bear" is Brock.
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18 days ago
"And he's got a knife-superpower." - So it could be Brock, I suppose. JB says in THE BOOK he had a whole story planned for Scare Bear for last season with a happy ending for him but they had no time to fit it in. Hmmm.
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18 days ago
  • by Repressed Grotesque Human
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Jackson also says in the 'Faking Miracles' section of the book: "A little Easter egg is that there's a crazy homeless guy in the background of the jogging scene [in Central Park] who was supposed to be a setup for a whole subplot that I had to cut out of another episode. I wrote twelve pages of this thing that I am definitely going to use next season."

Scare Bear also found Hank with his head cut open near Central Park. When Hank said he had to 'rescue his girlfriend', Scare Bear knew who he meant and where she would be. Maybe Scare Bear is that homeless guy. He could have been watching Hank and Sirena, and then Sirena and Dean from afar.

Or Scare Bear is just magic and the homeless guy may or may not have his own subplot this season. Completely unrelated.

It's cruel for Dean to essentially cheat on Hank with Hank's girlfriend, but it'd be even crueler if this was Brock's way of breaking it to Hank. There'd be a lot more crying and yelling with Sgt Hatred.
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18 days ago
Scare Bear is based on an art piece called "Sleeper" so maybe Hank is not really awake. Probably not, but it's a possibility. I actually stumbled onto it myself about a year ago online. As soon as I saw the image I knew that's where they got the idea from.
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18 days ago
  • by Captain V
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Glad I wasn't the only one deeply disturbed by the ending.
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18 days ago
Another fantastic episode!

I really wonder if we will see more of Rusty and Billy using Grover Cleveland’s Presidential Time Machine, which then leads to when does Rusty start calling the Monarch by his first name?

Also poor Hank. I wonder if what he saw between Serena and Dean along with being led there by Scare Bear could lead him to becoming a super villain
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18 days ago
  • by Danny B
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wait, is the Cleveland time machine a warped reference to him having two presidential terms?
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18 days ago
That's the best I can figure. Archer had a similar joke. "Hey, Grover Cleveland called. He wants his watch back. He left two nonconsecutive messages."
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18 days ago
  • by Danny B
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and The Simpsons, "Grover Cleveland spanked me on two non-consecutive occasions!"
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18 days ago
I had a rough week so this one sorta threw me for a loop. Work's been sorta crazy and my crazy brother went to Nepal. Yes, Nepal. Gotta unwind and blow stuff up (4X space game), then I'll view it a coupla more times over the weekend. Looked good. Just a bunch to digest... did... did Shiela set Kimberly up?
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18 days ago
  • by zombiejesus
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This has been an especially rough week on everyone.
It is my wish that we all prevail.
I also wish that reason and charity shall win out, too.

Also, also, I wish that I won that icecream cake.
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18 days ago
  • by Eartha Kite & Dismalicious Winds from Provo
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Mr. Maybe's INDIFFERENCE MACHINE? Hahaha! Epic callbacks & weird Canadian hodge podge. The Slasher Bear, KILLER! sO GoOd!!!!
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18 days ago
One more angle to consider: looks like Hank had a head injury, so there is no telling how much of his experience after that was real, and how much may be a hallucination.
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18 days ago
OS SparkleDream and dream sequences and vr have been big this season. Wouldn't be surprised by a Dallas type season ender where nothing this season was real.
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18 days ago
I'm leaning to Hank hallucinating. Hank has had grievances against Dean from a few seasons back when Rusty told him that he favored Dean because Dean was the weak one and needed protecting. Maybe he said that to Brock but I'm sure Hank knew it anyway. This would explain how the magic, giant teddy bear knew where to find Dean. And what would Hank's worst dream be --- finding his weak brother fucking <I>his</i> girl.

Doc V's reaction to this episode is very similar to my reaction to "The Inamorata Consequence" For half the episode it appeared as if Dr. Mrs The Monarch moonlighted as a common whore for the Ilumminati. Only in the after-credits did we learn that it was a dream. I suspect Hank's worst day is a hallucination from his concussion.
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17 days ago
Hell, even in the hospital Doc was asking for Dean over Hank
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16 days ago
  • by Eartha Kite & Dismalicious Winds from Provo
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*Scare Bear

Also, anyone remember when lawn darts were causing injuries all the time? http://mentalfloss.com/article/31176/how-one-dad-got-lawn-darts-banned
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18 days ago
Yes. We had them as kids. I think they had somewhat rounded off the points by then, but still dangerous! What were they thinking?
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18 days ago
  • by Aaaanon
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Death-by-lawn-darts -- only on the Venture Bros. But it seemed too obvious of a result. I was waiting for someone (Dr. the Mrs.?) to show up and yell at them. "You could put an eye out!!!"
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15 days ago
Favorite part was Grover Cleveland's Presidential Time Machine and how it was used. I really hope that story thread is revisited in great detail, but given how Jackson and Doc typically throw in these things in, I'm not expecting it. After this episode, I would love to see that epic Rusty and Billy adventure.

This episode had a LOT crammed into it, one of the best of the season. Episodes like this typically move so fast that it doesn't have a lot of classic Venture humor, but this one still had a log of gags scattered in.

I'm guessing Sirena and Dean got stuck at the dorm during the storm and as time passes with little to do between 2 young people who have a mutual attraction...I guess that happens? I don't know, I can see Dean kissing her in that scenario, but immediately regretting it and backing off. Sirena would have to be the one pushing for it to go further. Hank really worked hard to romance her, he didn't deserve that. A girl who would do that is clearly not worth the trouble for either boy, but this will divide them like they've never been divided before.

Who is Scare Bear and what is his connection with the Venture boys? May have been happenstance that he came upon Hank, but bringing him to Dean...he must be someone they know.
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18 days ago
  • by Destroyo
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"Who is Scare Bear and what is his connection with the Venture boys? May have been happenstance that he came upon Hank, but bringing him to Dean...he must be someone they know."

This ep I got a distinct Frank from Donnie Darko vibe. What's the furthest time-lag we've had with the clones? We previously had a misfit Dean who was stalking the boys. SB may be a prodigal Hank who has had a few years of growth. If he's of actual Jonas genetic stock, it's foreseeable he'd become that tall and wide. The knife may just be his tribute to Brock.
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18 days ago
Ha! I like this outside-the-box thinking!
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17 days ago
The problem with Hank is he lives in a fantasy world, and I think Sirena realized it.

Dean seemed like a nice guy who shared interest. Obviously, likes her and in their brief interactions seen earlier, he does not act like the weirdo Hank does. Also, he is pretty open about how he hates his life as a "Venture" much like she hates being smothered by her father.

Though here is the irony: Hank lost his virginity a few seasons ago but does not remember it. Dean remembers this.
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18 days ago
Technically, it isn't clear they...ahem...actually started. It would be especially cruel (though kinda funny) if Dean was STILL a virgin after this.
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18 days ago
Yeah, I thought that may be the case that Hank interrupted them before, though I suspect the "damage" is done to his relationship with Sirena.

Though with all of his nervousness and prudishness, it is nice to see that Dean got to at least second and probably third base.

Now did Sirena get to second base?



What?
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14 days ago
Well, we just learned that he is not!

Sirena's more of a "Dean" girl anyways.
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10 days ago
  • by Aaaanon
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So much for (literal) bro code...

Put me in the Hank-goes-evil column, if it all really happened.
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15 days ago
This season is just firing on all cylinders. Dean, man...need another S4 type season where everyone is mad at Dean to make me feel better ;__;
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18 days ago
  • by Captain V
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The episode is great.. but that ending. Holy shit. It's rough to watch.... on an especially rough day for me personally.
I'll never fully like Dean as a character again... but at least he didn't lie when caught... I guess.
At this point... I wouldn't be surprised if a main character dies a shocking and realistic/permanent death in the season finale. Hank is too obvious. But maybe Billy or Brock or... Dean? The show feels extra dark this season.

What if Scare Bear is actually Pete White? I'm obviously just kidding.
I also think the homeless guy either knows Scare Bear or is him.
He has an orange glove on (his machete hand) when he finds Hank, a clue maybe?
Scare Bear almost feels like it could be actually be Brock... or a rogue clone of Brock.
But Scare Bear is left-handed and Brock is right-handed. So, that disproves that theory.

Billy having the thermal regulator (plot device) up his ass conveniently just for stopping the weather machine didn't totally feel earned, too much was happening in the other stories for that bit to totally work for me.

Glad Doc Hammer's obsession with Lawn Darts finally got into a script.
All the callbacks and G.C. time machine callback was crazy. I'm sure we'll never see that Billy or Doc again... or will we.

The tie on the door... remember when Doc did that to Dean.. while writing his musical?

Dean and Sirena are pieces of shit. Forget what happened. Hank's head was bleeding all over and they just sat their caught like rats.

Hank's ADD would lead to him getting mortally wounded again.
It's in his DNA to get lost in fantasy, and just jump off a roof, so to speak.

Best Doc Hammer episode of the season. But you have to wonder if he pulled from his personal life for that ending. Meaning he may have been Hank or Dean in that moment once in his life. He writes from his life, as all writers do, but is pretty fearless in telling how life really works in an animated comedy.
The show has organically morphed (Blue Morpho-ed) into a black comedy/ drama over the years in my opinion.

Trailer SPOILERS for the finale:
We know Hatred is shirtless next week and trying to visit Hank in the ICU.
Brock is also shirtless next week covered in blood and killing guys in the penthouse.
The weird ceremonial robes the Guild Council are dressed in... maybe inducting a new member? Could it be the Monarch perhaps? Something... something... b/c of the teleporters bumping his grade up and killing the Creeper this week too.

I assume Kimberly is going rogue next week, or that was the end of that entire storyline... at least for the season.

"Crap! After we eat the chicken statue, we need to eat this paper!" - Dr. Z
I wonder who ate the paper then?

"Brock.. say... ma-nip-u-late." - Doc Venture
Nice to see Brock be the joke for once.

"Oh my God, yes, obviously, kill him!" - Dr. Mrs.
I love when any character yells " obviously" at moron subordinates in animated cartoons. The trope happens very, very frequently.

This is a really beautifully animated episode. They pushed it (the animation) real good.

I believe this is only the third episode of the season where (any) characters (not in flashbacks or space) are shown to be off somewhere besides NYC. I really appreciate that. The show was feeling slightly claustrophobic being set only in NYC. I mean, I love it... but I like seeing other places as well.

The weather machine design is definitely from pop-culture. Not sure where I've seen it before.

The time machine dopplegangers: It is implied Rusty sank the Titanic, and verbally stated he lost a finger somewhere in time. And the way Billy is dressed reminds me of General Custard.

Hatred wears the helmet b/c he is scared of debris. Probably smart when living with the Venture clan. Could be foreshadowing that Brock dies of a head injury in the finale. However, it's probably just foreshadowing what happens to poor Hank.

Hank's heart and head gets broken this episode.

Billy is Team Venture. Go Team Billy!!!!

Brock staying behind... may be a conveniently need plot point b/c he fights guys in the penthouse next week. Thus, he really is holding down the fort and is not Scare Bear.

Good CG animation in this episode too.

Of course that book would be used. Hatred only reads pre-owned books. Maybe he's a book collector.

I'm gonna go watch the VB7 trailers again, see what I can dig up on the finale.
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Holy Shit. We haven't seen the yeti this season yet. Next week is going to be insane!
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18 days ago
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Artbook S7 preview findings:

Rodney has a crazy Scare Bear like suit on in the artbook. Hank has a crazy costume on in the artbook. Almost looks like he's dressed as Lando from Star Wars. S464 is wearing a new costume and 21 is dressed fancy in the artbook. There is an ice cave in the artbook as well. Scare Bear's home? The Yeti's home?
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18 days ago
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Oh, and Doc gets teleported to Meteor Majeure.
And the Yeti appears in the ice cave.
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18 days ago
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Hank is definitely having a coma dream sequence next week.
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18 days ago
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Here's my edited/updated repost on the finale:

Trailer and artbook SPOILERS for the finale next weekend: We know Hatred is shirtless and hitting on that nurse next week, trying to visit Hank in the ICU. Brock is also shirtless next week covered in blood and killing Guild guys in the penthouse.The weird ceremonial robes the Guild Council are dressed in... maybe inducting a new member? Could it actually be the Monarch perhaps? Something... something... b/c of the teleporters bumping his grade up and killing the Creep this week too. Remember, The Monarch wanted a seat on The Guild, but Killenger originally denied him. Anyway, his wife would be an equal again... and he'd probably figure out a way to arch Venture (secretly) while retaining his seat. [Side Note: Killenger probably knew he was destined to become the Blue Morpho and do all this stuff first. But knew it was the Monarch's ultimate destiny all along.] The Yeti has not made an appearance yet this season. Scare Bear could definitely be the homeless guy. But Rodney has a crazy Scare Bear like costume o
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Continued-

But Rodney has a crazy Scare Bear like costume on in the artbook VB7 preview section. Hank has a crazy costume on in the artbook as well. Almost looks like he's dressed as Lando from Star Wars. S464 is wearing a new costume, looks like he's found serenity. And 21 is dressed fancy in a dapper suit in the artbook preview section.There is an ice cave in the artbook. And the Yeti appears in the cave in the trailer. Could it be Scare Bear's home? Or more likely it's the Yeti's home? Oh, and Doc gets teleported to Meteor Majeure.
VB7 Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnCWXGYeGfs
SDCC Trailer / Starts at 22:22: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiK7kROoPJs&t=1335s
Hank is definitely having a dream sequence in a coma next week. Count on it.
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18 days ago
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"Did you see the little jack-in-the-box guy? Hark Hamill."
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18 days ago
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It just occurred to me that head injuries and broken hearts were the theme of this episode.
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18 days ago
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Exactly.
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17 days ago
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Both S464 and Hank got broken hearts and heads.
And the Creep got lawn darted through the head... and you could say he was broken up in the heart as well... from the OSI turning him away for murdering kids.
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17 days ago
What was the point of bringing Kimerly in to see S-242 (?) knowing that they'd adjusted his memory so he doesn't remember her. Why break Guild protocol just to breat a woman's heart?
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17 days ago
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To set up the finale next week.
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17 days ago
To confirm the memory wipe worked?
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16 days ago
To torment Kimberly because Sheila still has an ax to grind.
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16 days ago
My longshot guess for Scare-Bear is older forgotten Hank clone. They brought up the boys being clones in at least two separate episodes this season, and one of Rusty's closing lines this episode was about how he would never play fast and loose with super science (which could have just been a set-up for the time machine bit, but also a reminder that Rusty has before and continues to do so).

Less longshot guesses would be Jared or Rocco. My first thought was he had more to do with Hank/Dean, but maybe it was Sirena he was looking out for.

Speaking of the time machine, I appreciated the fact that Rusty calls Monarch "Malcolm" implies that they have some sort of change to their character dynamic at some point in the future, and I hope we get to see it. *fingers crossed for season eight*
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17 days ago
We don't know how GCP Time Machine Works. Rusty thinks he time traveled 70 million years into the past, but that clearly didn't happen. Perhaps the time machine is a fraud and is only a teleporter between universes (remember the alternate universe Rusty from "Bright Lights, Dean City", and whatever alternative universe Fat Chance's hole is connected to). Maybe that isn't our Rusty who has a relationship with our Malcolm, but a different Rusty who has a relationship with a different Malcolm.

I too would love to see that story thread explored further, but sometimes Jackson & Doc love to throw these curveballs for no reason other than being a curveball to remind us how crazy of a Ventureverse there is (glimpses of other stories we don't see that just intersect ours briefly).
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16 days ago
My favorite thing about that time machine is it lets you move through time (possibly between timelines?) but only to where the time machine is physically located during that time? Makes sense if you think about it but it's pretty non-standard for general time machine lore.
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16 days ago
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I can honestly say I was not expecting the karate dojo logo to be the next shirt.

There is soo much going on in the new episode... I was expecting almost anything else to be the shirt.

Glad I ordered a Dr. Z shirt last week, b/c it's the best shirt of the season (so far) in my opinion.
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16 days ago
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Jonas Venture tee, respectfully, begs to differ:
http://astrobasego.com/images/2018/Week_3_-_Shirt_Club_Product_Image.jpg
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16 days ago
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Definitely. The Blue Morpho one is really good too. As is the Rusty's Machine exclusive shirt.

Damn. Only one shirt and one episode left this season.
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16 days ago
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Holy shit! Of course Dean is wearing the Jonas Sr. shirt. It fits him so well... being a two-faced jerk like his grandfather.
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16 days ago
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It's all making sense now...
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16 days ago
I respectfully disagree. The Big Villain shirt is definitely the best so far.
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16 days ago
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Shirt a bit meh, in an otherwise good season selection. I like the more obscure shirt references (versus shirts with major characters), but that dojo was a brief episode, and we'll never see it again. I'd order another Shallow Gravy shirt in a heartbeat, however.
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15 days ago
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Episode 10 better show the Order of the Triad in their NYC HQ. Been waiting on that since it was mentioned earlier in the season.
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16 days ago
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Was Hatred reading "The Day After Tomorrow"? That's not a book, unless a novelization of the movie. Appropriate given the storm, however.

Oh, and a prior question I had is again answered. "Doppelganger much?" Even got directly mentioned here.

Finally, big plot hole. Dean leaves the tie on the door (nice callback to the Doc) to warn off roommate, but leaves the door unlocked???
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15 days ago
There is a novel titled 'The Day After Tomorrow' by Allan Folsom, but it has nothing to do with the movie of the same name. He is likely reading a novelization adaptation of the film. Note the "Used" sticker on the cover. Likely an acknowledgment that they are borrowing a plot element from the movie.
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14 days ago
Man, the writing this season has been so good.

Also: "Nat King Cobra" was, is, and will forever remain my favourite super villain name of all time.
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15 days ago
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I dunno, Princess Tinyfeet's dad is Chief Justice. That's a pretty good one.
Is he in judge robes with an Indian headdress? Or Indian chief with a judge wig?
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15 days ago
Informative
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Jackson and Doc will be at NYCC 2018, fuck yes!

An artbook signing and a nice Q&A session.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KenPlume/status/1046909368959209472

Doc Hammer also has an artshow:

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/doc-hammer-the-black-ones-tickets-50287509294
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15 days ago
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So I can assume Sheila’s answer after last week’s cliffhanger was she was giving up her arching to remain on the council as she and Dr. Z were in charge of assigning that mission to The Monarch?
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14 days ago
Looks that way, but why leave us hanging with that "Ummm" answer of hers? This season doesn't have the same level of continuity as last season did and I'm wondering how many of these loose ends they'll wrap up in the finale, how many will carry over to season 8 and how many will just remain unanswered.
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14 days ago
It was fun to see Billy doing a callback to Jonny Quest, getting his skin stained purple by the silver nitrate (Race Bannon stained his skin purple with berries to help impersonate a PoHo water god). Though silver nitrate does stain skin purple (or black), silver iodide would make more sense in a weather modification machine, since it is the compound used for cloud seeding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

Also, nice to see Doc acting in a competent manner and getting a win, taking out the wx mod machine.
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12 days ago
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Season 8 confirmed! Season finale!!!! Go Team Hank!!!!

http://www.adultswim.com/videos/the-venture-bros/the-saphrax-protocol
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11 days ago
Thanks for your diligence. Also a new discussion thread! http://mantiseye.com/news/2018/10/season_finale_discussion_the_saphrax_protocol

Try not to post any spoilers for the finale in this thread in case people have seen "The Forecast Manufacturer" but not the new episode. Save those for the new discussion!
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11 days ago
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Got it. I'll never post again.

Goodbye... forevermore.
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11 days ago
That’s not what I said!
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11 days ago
25 days ago
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An interesting and more lighthearted episode than normal. It was overall pretty good.

Dr. Z and Johnny's interactions we're funny and sad, good to see them get together again.

It's been a long while since Doc Hammer wrote a Billy free episode.

Anyway, what do you think Dr. Mrs. will choose?

Only two episodes left... I believe next week will be the big snowstorm, then the finale is about the teleporter and the Peril Partnership.

In the SDCC trailer you see Rusty getting teleported to Meteor Majeure where Watch and Ward are waiting. We've haven't seen Brock go apeshit yet, or scare bear, or the bit about Hank in the hospital or running around Hatred shirtless.

I'm surprised how much footage of the final two episodes are in the trailers.
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25 days ago
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"....hospital or running around Hatred shirtless. "

That should say: "....hospital or Hatred running around shirtless. "

My bad.
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25 days ago
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Cap'n V, I read your comments in the voice of Dragoon.
I always have.
#compliment
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23 days ago
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Noice! High praise indeed.

And I got my Dr. Z shirt ordered today!
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20 days ago
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Onscreen tpyo: GULD THREAT: 1
So, I guess she'll need an aspirn?

I'm not clear on why Rusty's flirting with death for some nookie. But it was nice to visit with Night Dick again. I love his narration voice and diction.

I did want to see Rocco's showdown with Sliwa.

When did Red Death become a candidate for the Council? He didn't bring in Blue Morpho. Was it because he collected Dr. Dugong?

It was fun to see all of their lame final archings.

Has Race Bannon been retconned to have red hair? Or has be been merged with Dr. Quest into a Doc Savage type of character? Funny to see Hadji race-swapped into also an Indian.

So many questions.
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25 days ago
In the Art of The Venture Brothers book, they say they aren't allowed to use the actual Race Bannon or anything from Johnny Quest anymore, but they can parody it.
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25 days ago
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Have the book.
Didn't read it yet.

The parody is spot-on.
Lots of actual Johnny Quest bits in that Dr. Z flashback.
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25 days ago
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I was thinking Z's flashback was completely lifted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceD4zhA6Hws
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23 days ago
Huh . . . I thought on one of the commentaries, maybe the one from Ice Station, they learned that Comedy Central owned the rights to Johnny Quest? That is why they could use them? They then started calling him "Mr. Quest" in 12(!) to Midnight rather than "Action Johnny."

Maybe that changed?
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22 days ago
I miss Dr. Phineas Phage! Why isn't he on the new Guild Council? Was he just absent from the meeting?

Hadji wearing Native American costume didn't make much sense...his name is Hadji and we've heard him speak in a noticeable Indian accent and wasn't he living in India when we previously met him?

They killed off Race Bannon on the show (and briefly talked to him in a flashback), so he is canonically in the VB universe, but he may not be associated with the Quest family in the VB universe (I don't remember any connection between Quest family and Race mentioned on VB). So I think Race not being in Dr. Z's flashback makes sense.

I also really loved all the vanilla arching all the characters did...I just wish we saw more of Dr. Venture's 'date'.
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25 days ago
I laughed probably way too hard at Silwa being Wale's arch.
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23 days ago
@hardyworld: they killed off Race in present time during the Ice Station--the GOLIATH SERUM!!!--episode. Johnny, at the time, is 40ish and tweaking in a diving bell!

The flashback has a child Johnny so Race is still alive. There are other references with both Dr. Quest--torturing someone at OSI--and Race at OSI as well.
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22 days ago
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Gathers definitely replied to Limb:
"What, you want to measure our dicks in Central Park?"
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25 days ago
A cliffhanger? That was unexpected.

There too many subplots for this to be an enjoyable episode. Too often I was wishing for a fast-forward button so I could get to something interesting.

With all the money Rusty is supposed to have I'm surprised he doesn't go the Trump and hire Playboy models to have sex with him. Playing around with a black widow type seems stupid as well as dangerous. But then Rusty, like his "sons" is a death-prone guy.

This seemed like a eulogy type episode. The whole season seems like a Eulogy. We finally learn about Jonas's death, and who the Blue Morpho is. Rusty's origin is mostly clear. Then there's so many members of the council retiring and so many ofo the rank and file membership getting killed this year. It's hard to see the Guild going on.

There little things in the episode that I enjoyed, like the dick measuring contest between Col. Gaithers and Phantom Limb. Considering that the Col. had his dick removed at one point I was surprised that he had one to measure, then wondered if when he had it re-installed he asked to have it .... enlarged. There were other little bits I enjoyed.
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It accidentally (maybe intentionally) feels like the penultimate season in a weird way, doesn't it?

I earnestly feel like this season could be setting up a final season.

Maybe, behind-the-scenes, Mike Lazzo told Jackson to start wrapping up the series, and that season eight could be the last.

The higher ups (and Adult Swim) may want to move on and make new shows and such.
It has been fifteen years. Seventeen years by the time a possible season eight would release.
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25 days ago
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"With all the money Rusty is supposed to have I'm surprised he doesn't go the Trump and hire Playboy models to have sex with him."

He probably doesn't trust paid women, not after the prom. Since Brock most likely didn't tell him that they were actually hired assassins, he still believes that he was shut down all night by prostitutes. And he isn't about to use his special "spanish fly" again.
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23 days ago
We are dealing with a man who purchases a mail-order Korean bride. Unfortunately, they forgot to put holes in the box: "Assassinanny" with Molotov!

An episode with extended Clancy Brown? Awesome.
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22 days ago
I believe the expired "bride" was Chinese.
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20 days ago
I love Doc Hammer written hangout episodes. Ro-Boy! Red Death stuff! Sheila! Just 22 or so minutes of hanging out in this great world.
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25 days ago
Buuuuut it did move a few things forward: Red Death essentially over-ruled "the Council" decision to pay the Peril Partnership. Or, given that Watch and Ward under the auspices gave him the order to arc the fool, perhaps it was all part of the plan!
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22 days ago
So, absolutely no follow-up from last week? I know we still have two eps to go, but I find it odd.

Does Doc know his experiences were not real or did he just wake up in his own bed afterward and still thinks he joined that Illuminati group?

What did The Monarch do with the teleporters? Turn them in to the Guild, or does he have his own purpose for them in mind? Did his EMA level get bumped up?

Did Copy Cat survive? No fallout from the decoys setup? No mention of any of this in the Council meeting? As Hardyworld points out, where's Phineas Phage? You'd think this whole final arching mandate thing would require mandatory attendance. He probably would have arched Professor Impossible, or maybe an earlier foe like Bacterion or Iron Rod (see if you get the references). They had his voice actor playing Night Dick *snickers* in the episode, so....
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25 days ago
I also was expecting at least a few minutes of followup concerning Dr. Venture's experience and The Monarch's sudden disappearance with the teleporters.

Given that Gary and The Monarch had literally 2 seconds to escape from the OSI and nowhere to run without being chased, I was expecting them to both stand on 1 teleporter while simultaneously holding the other teleporter upside-down above their heads and turn them both on at once, resulting in them all disappearing, but to an unknown location (fail-safe/backup teleporter located in the middle of Venture Industries?).
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24 days ago
I was under the impression that The Monarch and 21 just skedaddled into the subway entrance and hopped on a conveniently departing train. You could hear one in the tunnel as Brock and the OSI troopers were looking down at where the guys crash landed. But yeah, you'd still expect the OSI to try and head them off at the next stop, but the teleporters might still have come into play with their escape.
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24 days ago
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Sheila will resign the guild. Doc and Jackson have learned the hard way with 21 & 24 that they shouldn't break up partnerships.

Red Death's arching mirrors Godfather 2, where Vito Corleone interacts with local extortionist Don Fanucci. Under the guise of giving in to his shakedown, Vito actually kills Fanucci, leading to his becoming the local crime boss. Guess Blind Rage caught that train after all. With Sheila back to costumed villainy, a power vacuum now exists. Red Death control of a criminal organization, plus "70 years old", plus Sheila's black uniform = VB's Red Skull parody!

I just hope Dr Z doesn't come to mirror Hyman Roth.
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25 days ago
Doc and Jackson have learned the hard way with 21 & 24 that they shouldn't break up partnerships.

How do you figure that one?
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22 days ago
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Their commentary tracks from the DVDs.
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22 days ago
"I just hope Dr Z doesn't come to mirror Hyman Roth."

There was this kid I grew up with; he was younger than me. Sorta looked up to me, you know. We did our first work together, worked our way out of the street. Things were good, we made the most of it. During Pyramid Wars, we ran molasses into Schenectady ... made a fortune, Rusty Venture's father, too.

As much as anyone, I loved him and trusted him. Later on he had an idea to build a city out of a desert stop-over for American medical tourists on the way to Cabos. That kid's name was Speedy, and the city he invented was Tijuana. This was a great man, a man of vision and guts. And there isn't even a plaque, or a signpost or a set of wings for him in that town!

A minion put a dart through his eye as a mercy when someone was strangling him. No one knows who did the strangling; all of the witnesses were run over by Dodge Charger. When I heard it, I wasn't angry; I knew Speedy, I knew he was over-eager, talking loud, saying stupid things. So when he turned up dead, I let it go.

And I said to myself, "this is the business we've chosen!" I didn't ask who did the strangling, because it had nothing to do with business!

--Dr Z to Brock
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22 days ago
So when are they going to email me to let me know I won an ice cream cake?
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24 days ago
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The contest doesn't end until September 23rd.

Call 'em again, b/c only four people will win.
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24 days ago
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Had a hard time hearing all the dialogue, slurred or non-enunciated (Wide Whale/Dr Z "bungle" talk). This has happened on a few episodes for me. Will watch again with closed captioning in hopes to get the whole skinny.
The Johnny stuff was hilarious!
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24 days ago
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Red Death's incognito outfit.
A 7-foot red skull guy.
And him chairing Councilperson Dr. Mrs.
(There's a better term than "chairing". Sorry.)

I still don't understand why he gets a seat on the Council, except BECAUSE HE IS AWESOME.
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24 days ago
Likely because Sheila made that deal with him in Arrears in Science so that he wouldn't spill the beans about her husband being the New Blue Morpho... and also BECAUSE HE IS AWESOME! He's just what they need in these rough times for The Guild.
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24 days ago
  • by Captain V
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Next episode looks great, and is infact the big snowstorm!
Brock certainly never gets made fun of by Billy... until now! Hilarious!

And I want to order a plethora of the new shirt... now!!! Dr. Z!!!!!

https://www.titmousestuff.com/products/week-8-dr-z
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23 days ago
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I saw on Quite Interesting this week that tying someone to the train tracks had only been done in one film, originally, and the villain tied the hero to the tracks, and the damsel freed him before the train. All other incidents of it are parodies of the original, and they show the damsel tied to the tracks.
(I apologize, I can't find a legit link to it. But, you should watch QI.)
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23 days ago
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It s episodes like this that make it really evident two people are writing this show and splitting up the work more or less. There is zero callback ( maybe not zero, but very little) to the last episodes main plot lines. While the premise of this episode is cute and funny maybe we could have come in after some of these interactions had taken place? A lot of them seemed very anti climactic and the jokes falling flat. I guess they can't all be winners?
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23 days ago
  • by Captain V
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2018 Series Rewatch Notes:

- Albino bomb. Will this backstory for Pete White ever get explored further?

- The boys mother. Will we ever get real answers? Do we even want all the answers?

- Is Rusty just a clone? Or does he have a mommy? The clone theory explains Jonas Jr. and why he looks just like Jonas. Rusty was one messed up clone. Damn.

- Moppets big revenge? They can't be dead. Right.....?

- The villain dubbed Wall-Flower. Will he ever show up in a big way?

- Fat Chance... where art thou?

- Baron Underbheit? Where'd you go? They finally made him awesome around VB4... then he stopped appearing after the move to NYC. He robbed a space casino... Isn't That VVild... enough for a return!!!?!?!

- Girl Hitler and Catclops? Gone forever???

- Billy is stated to be 35. Then in VB4 (not many episodes later) he is stated to be 37.

- The shrink gun will always return. Always a Gloria!

- Hank is actually diagnosed as a "crybaby" in VB3 before being called a crybaby in VB4 by Rusty.

- Hatred mentions blowing up the Monarch's house in VB4. It was foreshadowing, he does just that in the final episode of VB5.

- Hatred mentions burning the compound down in VB5. Foreshadowing in motion, he eventually fails to stop the fire set by the Monarch and the compound is burnt to cinders.
He destroyed the fire trucks due to negligence with the security lasers. It was his ultimate fault.

- The PROBLEM Light is visible in certain shots for all of VB6. Simply sublime subtle foreshadowing. Almost feels like an easter egg in a weird way now.

- The Peril Partnership and the teleporter pads could definitely play huge roles in the VB7 finale.

- The disembodied Jonas head is most certainly coming back.
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23 days ago
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Yup, from prior comment in 'Unicorn' thread, Wide Whale is out of subcontractors (with the demise of Copycat), and with his resignation from the Council, will be directly arching Rusty... and thereby forcing a showdown with the Monarch.
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22 days ago
Some of the councilmen... er, councilpersons' interactions with their old enemies, particularly Lady Au Pair's, kind of reminded me of bumping into someone you went to high school with many years later whom you did not have a good relationship with back then. It's only happened to me a couple of times but it would be people who harassed me back in school, basically were total assholes to me. Then I'd be in a convenience store parking lot or a movie theater lobby, they'd recognize me and act as if we had been best of pals back in the day and it was good times galore. I'm not one to hold grudges, and I don't hate those people. I assume most of them have finally grown up, so I just acted politely and chatted for a few minutes, then we wished each other well and parted ways. Awkward...
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22 days ago
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Valid perspective, cpc65. But I look at those final archings as typical of management -- they really don't want to get their hands dirty (or get injured!) in a real arching. They're on the Council specifically to avoid that.

That said, they were all pretty damn funny.
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22 days ago
  • by Captain V
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Red Death stole the money... right?

He said he was gonna make the drop... but he tied Blind Rage to the tracks and flew off instead.

I suspect he hasn't given up killing either. It's implied he's done arching, thus he's done killing too, just for his seat. I know he said something about doing this for his wife... but his bloodlust has no end.

Anyway, looks like I didn't win a VB cake.

Did anyone?
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20 days ago
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If Red Death is as honorable as he seems, he gave that Peril Partnership payoff right back to the Guild ("Here it is, counted and folded. Just like you gave it to me."), and scored points for it. Otherwise, he dumped it all into his IRA.

I think we will never know who his final arch was. He chose Blind Rage, instead.
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14 days ago
  • by Captain V
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So.... fans think Dr. Mrs. is pregnant... and they may be spot on.

Blind Rage mentions her breasts were swollen (possibly getting ready to lactate) and she wasn't on her monthlies (like she missed her period).
She also got emotionally distraught while talking to Novia.
Later on she told Gary that she, in fact, vomited. A common occurrence during pregnancy.

Anyway, her being pregnant would explain her wild mood swings this season.
Remember how she almost killed Kimberly, over practically nothing?

Kinda sad they figured it out... and I (mostly) missed it... it's pretty fucking obvious.
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20 days ago
  • by Captain V
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That's a quote from reddit in the middle.. but I edited it... slightly.
Forgot to mention that. Forget who wrote it though, I was going to credit 'em.
I added the Kimberly bit.
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20 days ago
  • by Captain V
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Also forgot to mention that I recall Doc Hammer mentioning that giving them a child would be the end of the show. I think it's in a commentary. That he considered the henchman their kids. But... now they only have 21... so... I dunno.

More proof the show could be reaching it's natural conclusion? Maybe.
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20 days ago
Remember the season 2 finale Showdown at Cremation Creek, Part II?

Sheila: "Monarch, I'm..."
The Monarch: "WHAT?!"

Many fans speculated that she told him that she was pregnant. It was the obvious guess. The Monarch had even pointed out that he thought her breasts were larger than normal and asked if she was "riding her cycle". Then in Shadowman 9, it turns out she actually said, according to The Monarch, the last f@*#ing thing he expected her to say.

So it would be funny if she really was pregnant this time around. Although Doc and JP have stated that when enough fans start to guess their plans they change them and therefore we sometimes wind up shaping the show in ways we might not always like. Plus they've red herring-ed us before. We'll see soon enough unless they make this a season-ending cliffhanger.
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19 days ago
One final (probably) observation: If all of Red Mantle and Dragoon's past nemesis are deceased does this mean that Desmond has passed on?
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19 days ago
  • by Captain V
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Thanks for reminding me...

Shouldn't Red Mantle and Dragoon's final arch actually be Phantom Limb?
I get that they are all bad guys... but damn, you kill me and sew my reanimated head onto my friend's body... I'm not letting it go.

I mean, I get why PL and Hunter are arch rivals, since it was Hunter's covert operation that caused the accident (Billy's robotic eye exploding the machine) and ultimately created PL.

Anyway, I feel PL got off to waaaay to easy with regards to everything.
Everyone has basically forgiven him now... expect for the Monarch. Thank goodness... b/c the Monarch has never felt out of character to me.
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19 days ago
  • by Captain V
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The new one:

I can't believe Dean was fucking her and Hank found out that way.
Scare Bear not wanting chips was great.


I had a horrible day. And this episode fucked me up bad.
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18 days ago
  • by Captain V
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I feel sooo bad now.

I feel badly depressed after watching the new one.
I thought the love triangle angle would be fun... nope.
Poor Hank. Dean Venture... doesn't give a fuck anymore.
Absolutely awful. It literally makes me feel awful.
I'm on Team Hank. Fuck Dean. He's the new Jonas Sr.

Sorry for the spoilers if you missed the stream.
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18 days ago
Informative
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1 month ago
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Best episode... ever! Holy f'n shit!!!
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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Addendum:

It was the best Eyes Wide Shut and Ocean's parody I've ever seen.

The only one... I've ever seen. Jackson transcended his art in this episode.

It broke my brain. It was so, so well written, acted and animated!

Wow!
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1 month ago
I'd say there were influences from Caligula (architecture as well as the sex) and Nightbreed (that moon mask) as well.
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1 month ago
Mark Hammill was great in both roles he voiced...and that post credits scene!
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1 month ago
I listened thinking, "wait . . . is that . . . no way!"

Awesome! Great guests this season!
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24 days ago
Half way through; WTF IS GOING ON HERE!!! So much "disclosure"...
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1 month ago
I'm gonna sit here and listen to Sprit of Eden by Talk Talk all night to counter part 2 of this one. C-hair close to losing me a fan with this one. Tim and Eric think it's outta bounds...
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1 month ago
You are the Weakest Link.

Buy-bye.
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24 days ago
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Was the VR fake out a reference to mark hamill in last Jedi? Maybe not, but it’s the first thought I had
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1 month ago
I love Mark Hamill so much ;__; what a wild episode!!
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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There was in fact a little snow in this episode at least once.

Pirate Captain teleported into history. Although, Rusty dimension jumped through Fat Chance previously. But it is ultimately different.

RIP Tiny Eagle? Maybe he was just very, very badly injured and didn't bleed to death?

This episode was in fact, a game-changer and a bit of a unicorn, in that it was soo good.
But VB is always good. Probably the most consistent show ever.

Dot Com got a new voice actor. Seems SNL stars get busy w/ films and ditch the show. Hader also eventually ducked out. Anyway, the new VO did a great job.

I wonder how much Rusty experienced was actually in VR?
Brock blindfolded him, so... it's implied the whole orgy was a VR dream.

Good to see Manolo again.

Two films are the basis for the A and B plots. The heist is an Ocean's parody / while the Orgy is an 'Eyes Wide Shut' parody.

Red Moco Cooler returns.

The Illuminati members include many recognizable silhouettes. The Mexican doctor from "Dia" is the most interesting one to me. Brizzby (spelling?) is the most obvious. He even wears a bee mask.

This episode in particular is hilarious and felt somewhat like a season finale.

21 is almost always more capable and competent vs. The Monarch.

The Monarch is accidentally indestructible, just like his bro Rusty, and always survives disastrous falls.

Orgy Dr. Mrs. is surprisingly hot!

Copycat has his logo on his helicopter, not great for a heist. Even if you frame bozos.

Mark Hamil was really great as Presto. And Presto was damn funny.
Brock stuck on stairmaster Presto was hilarious!

RIP most of the crew from the heist. But... Copycat and Presto may have lived...
we'll see. Presto may get brain damage and live. Maybe he'll be extra psychotic and more Joker esque perhaps?

If an episode has teleportation... you must make an 'The Fly' joke.

Both Rusty and Malcom are unicorns. Ventunicorns.

The Driver X (non-existent) character is a Speed Racer parody.

Dummy Corp is an OSI dummy corporation that "makes mannequins" as the cover. I just got that.

Presto never changes into a Man Truck during the heist.

While obviously not intentional; Presto is very Meatwad like and the portals are very similar to Rick's portal gun.

I think next weeks episode is the black widower/gold digger storyline.
So maybe Venture realizes he didn't actually get laid.

(Part 1 of 2)
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1 month ago
Love the Speed Racer "Racer X" reference, but I thought initially "The Stig" from the TV show Top Gear. Anyone else?
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1 month ago
  • by Aaaanon
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I first thought of the Stig, too, but the racing uniform needed to be white. Oh, and we DO see who's inside the helmet.
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29 days ago
  • by zombiejesus
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I think Driver X was also The Stig from Top Gear:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stig

Glad to see the lesser villains get some extended play. And good to get the clever throwaway names they give to them. I want to know the name of the guy with the stovepipe hat and the radiation symbol:
http://venturebrothers.wikia.com/wiki/Unnamed_Magician_Villain_With_Hazmat_Hat

I was anticipating some Larry Niven stuff on the teleportation. Or maybe Tron. Or a quick Portal gag of someone falling infinitely.
https://www.scribd.com/document/106876485/Niven-Larry-Theory-and-Prctice-of-Teleportation-The

And, hey, didn't Rusty have his dad's old prototype teleporter? Or did JJ build that first one, from S02E01? Did he actually make a teleporter himself, or did he just reuse his predecessor's achievements?

I am curious of when the vr session started. I hope we never know.

R.I.P Ramburglar.
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1 month ago
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Not sure if anyone will get some Niven teleportation, pretty obscure ref there!

I am so proud of this episode going (Publick with &) deeper into the whole gestalt of the VB world. We are seeing behind the curtain & it's a mugs game folks..
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1 month ago
  • by zombiejesus
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Also, I think one of the Illuminati was L. Ron.
"We Can Thank Them"?
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1 month ago
Among the silhouette heads, I think I spotted Gen. Manhowers (the hat), and the Mexican University dean from S1 E1, and possibly Dr. Quentin Ball as seen in the G.C. I. Facebook that The Monarch was perusing in from Home Is Where The Hate Is.
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1 month ago
Dr. Q Ball is a double agent; he was seen getting one of those Uber-large checks from Dr. V last season & seen @ Don Hells. Double Agent.
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1 month ago
I think it might be "You can thank us"
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29 days ago
  • by zombiejesus
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"Dummy Corp is an OSI dummy corporation that "makes mannequins" as the cover. I just got that."

Riddler, 1960s:
"When is a man a stupid relative? When he's a mannequin."
A man, akin.
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1 month ago
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Presto is likely a reference to "The Impossible Man" of Marvel.
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1 month ago
Plastic man, the Elongating Man, Mr. Fantastic, Elastigirl Mr. Impossible ....
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29 days ago
The color scheme and wacky attitude point to The Impossible Man. I chuckled at Brock’s solution for dealing with him.
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29 days ago
  • by Aaaanon
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-- Dunno if I'd use the word 'surprisingly' when noting Dr. the Mrs.'s hotness.
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29 days ago
So that's four episodes in a row with four "fantasy" sequences. I smell theme.
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1 month ago
JJ's special project for the Science Now conference was called O. S. Sparkledream. Just throwing that out there. We never did learn what that was.
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1 month ago
I think it was just a reference to Apple and Android naming their operating systems thing like "Ice Cream Sandwitch" and "Leopard"
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29 days ago
Please - God - Let - There - Be - An - Uncensored - Bluray - Edition!..... Sheila (shudders)

I'm a little confused as I never saw the movies you guys reference. So was EVERYTHING after Doc got shackled to the chair fake or just his personal experiences and the heist was still real?

I was guessing that Driver X was really Molotov infiltrating the team for the OSI. Oh well.
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1 month ago
Nah, that's too Hardcore. I for one don't wanna see that.
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1 month ago
Just Lady M. Yeah, the rest is too much but I'm willing to FF over it for that frontal view.
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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I demand totally uncensored genitals in all of my favorite cartoons!

But seriously, Sheila looked shockingly sexy in this one, especially for a cartoon character.

I surmise Doc Hammer can't wait for the Orgy Sheila cosplay!
I know I certainly can't.
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1 month ago
I do not want to see Peter Griffin's uncensored genitalia.
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29 days ago
Everything Doc experiences after he gets in the chair is VR. The heist is all really happening.
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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I assume everyone gets that....
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1 month ago
  • by bigmeanbastardmachine
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I don't have cable, and decided to buy the season on Amazon, rather than trying to fool around with other ways of seeing it. From that, I can confirm a very uncensored version exists.
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29 days ago
I felt like this episode was too overboard even for the Venture Bros. It was more often repulsive than funny. And them it ends up being a dream sequence, a cop-out on the part of authors that I really hate. As a result I would rate this episode as the worst in several seasons. Slimey and disgusting.
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1 month ago
It was like that terrible scene in What Goes Up, feeling wise but like for the whole episode. It was over the top for sure. And you can guess what the tee will be, uh no thanks...
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1 month ago
And going by the upcoming schedule it looks like it will get 1 airing. I would go so far as to say it will be the only viewing, ever.
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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The schedule listings on Mantis Eye are a bit messed up currently.
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1 month ago
  • by zombiejesus
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What in the what?!?
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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I like hearing the alternative opinions. I wasn't a huge fan of last weeks episode, but for very different reasons. Just know there are still three more eps. coming soon.

But this one, this one I love tremendously.

Anyway, Monarch and 21 making off with the teleporters will likely be very important.
We can assume Monarch may use them as bargaining chips to get his level bumped up very high, or perhaps he'll use them for something even more sinister and clever.

I assume the heist stuff played well with everyone.

And surely everyone can agree Mark Hamil did great with his roles.
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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What in the... Sweet Zombie Jesus is going on!
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1 month ago
The Unicorn in Captivity is an actual tapestry (thanks Art History class) and you can buy yourself a repro to grace the wall of your humble castle or one bedroom apartment (orgy not included). Just do a Google image search.
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1 month ago
Also (from what I can remember) one interpretation of the The Hunt of the Unicorn/The Unicorn in Captivity is that the Unicorn represents Christ (I think the horn is considered magic and can purify or cure) with the hunters representing those who would try to weaken Christ and render him powerless, but who also may want to have or control the Unicorn's power for their own purposes. (I think its unclear whether the two tapestries are definitely connected as part of a series.)

But I thought it was an apt metaphor for both Doc and the Monarch having something special about them which sets them apart and gives them power only to be corralled by both the OSI and the GoCI. In fact I'm beginning to think that maybe that was the point of the GoCI in the first place, not to be "evil" but rather to take powerful antagonistic people and make sure they DON'T cause too much trouble in society by reigning them in with rules and regulations.
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1 month ago
" who also may want to have or control the Unicorn's power for their own purposes" - aka the Catholic church.

"not to be "evil" but rather to take powerful antagonistic people and make sure they DON'T cause too much trouble in society by reigning them in with rules and regulations." - Precisely! Some of the "bad" guys even do charity work. Recall Phantom Limb's "What do you know of evil?" speech to a young Sheila in the Shadowman 9 episode.
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1 month ago
This is pretty much the theme of the last three episodes, that the Guild and OSI, while antagonists, work to restrain the damage that super-scientists (evil or otherwise) can do. They have regulated rules of engagement, strictly control who can attack who, and what weapons they can use, and make concerted effort to keep "game changing" technology away from the public. How they missed the cellphone I don't know).
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1 month ago
This just further enforces my belief that the original Guild as seen in Orb split into the OSI and GCI. The original Guild's logo even has both the OSI sword and the GCI dragon in it. Remember both Eugene Sandow's and Brock's orders to kill their assigned charges if either tried to use the orb. Even had it been not a weapon but a source of unlimited energy THAT would have been a 'game changer'.
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29 days ago
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Do you guy's think Malcolm and Rusty are older version of clones made by Jonas?
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1 month ago
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Rusty is always taking over his dad's projects and slapping his name on them....
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1 month ago
In the scene with Venturion chocking Rusty, for me Rusty looks like he's not in his teens but according to the VB time line he should be, so long answer, yes...
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1 month ago
I think Jonas's cloning system is definitely at play with at least Rusty and possibly Malcolm. In what way and to what extent is still a big question mark. The fact that the learning beds are required to update memories of the boys into the clones (using the ancient computers seen in Powerless in the Face of Death), the learning bed was used by Rusty his entire childhood, Rusty is mentioned as a clone by H.E.L.P.eR. 2.0, etc. makes it 100% confirmed concerning Rusty. But, like the boys, I believe Rusty to be a clone of himself (with some genetic engineering thrown in), not of Jonas or someone else.
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1 month ago
I just realized something watching Arrears in Science again which may have already been covered but....when Venturion sees Rusty and Malcolm at play in 1977 and starts choking Rusty, he flashes BACK to the plane crash which orphaned Malcolm/The Monarch in 1976. Which means the Malcolm playing with Rusty is definitely a clone and would explain why the Monarch has no recollection of ever playing with Rusty when he sees the photograph.
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1 month ago
Actually I just double checked the Monarch's photograph and while they are wearing the same clothes in 1977 as in the photo, the photo has what I am assuming are the Monarch's parents laughing with Jonas so it must be from the previous year. The fact the Monarch doesn't remember it is still suspicious though.
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1 month ago
I think the only unanswered question is whether Rusty and Monarch are both clones of Jonas or whether the Monarch is the natural son of Jonas and Rusty is a clone of the Monarch.

I favor the former. Jonas, we gather has had sex with lots of woman, You would expect in that situation that he would have had lot of illegitimate children. Lots of super-geniuses. Unless the enture Guild is Jonas's extended family it looks like Jonas was shooting blanks. So the only way Jonas could guarantee Blue Morpho a child is if he cloned himself. And remember Ben examined Dean for two features, a tendency for one fetus to eat another fetus, and weird hair growth around the eyes. This last indicates that Ben and hence Jonas, know about these side effects from experience. And that indicates that Rusty and Monarch were both clones.
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1 month ago
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It’s implied that Tara Quymn is Jonas’s illegitimate daughter.
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29 days ago
  • by Captain V
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It's definitely implied that Rusty almost fucked his own half-sister.

Plus, they look so much alike it seems obvious. But we don't really know for sure.

Jonas was all about being a biological father to other peoples kids.

Isn't that right.... Blue Morpho?!?!?!?? Dun Dun Duuunnnnn!!! If it really is you!
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29 days ago
  • by EJ
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I think the Monarch is Jonas' natural son and Doc is a clone of Jonas. Assume that Jonas went through a few Rusty clones (which would make sense of the timeline that gets jacked up as the show gets more compressed but they still incorporate real world events). In every other iteration, the JJ fetus consumed Doc and was born as a Jonas clone. But something went wrong once, and they got a dud Rusty. That's why Doc doesn't look much like Jonas - the genetic material that became him was just there for the good clone to feed off of.
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26 days ago
  • by Destroyo
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The Monarch's tactics were on point. His immediate rant to hit Ventech high and hard was Copy Cat's actual plan, complete with CopyCoptor. Bet next episode sees him and 21 pursued by both Guild and OSI goons in the subway, like in John Wick 2.
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1 month ago
All these movie references are starting to sour me on Doc and Jackson. It makes it feel like they can't write anything that isn't swiped from a movie.
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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I'm pretty sure the constant film parodies are purposefully an integral part of the main underlined themes of the new season.
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1 month ago
  • by Juggly
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Actually, this is something that has been baked into the show since season 1. They have always intentionally lifted camera angles, scene set ups, dialogue, themes, and characters from movies, whether it is obvious or not. It’s more pronounced in this season but this is nothing new
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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Well, yeah.

It's a reference heavy show.
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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Actually, every single character in the show is a parody of another character.

Brock = Doc Savage. Venture = Quest. Orpheus = Doctor Strange.

And almost everything is a reference to something else since the pilot fifteen years ago.

It's not a revelation (Juggly) or something to complain about (Beb)... it's literally what V Bros. is and has been... forever.

I just meant the plotlines are especially all movie based this particular season perhaps a bit more than normal.

Or maybe the movie references are more obvious to everyone this season.
The show is in season seven after fifteen years and slowly approaching 100 episodes.

Maybe people are just moving on.

The lack of advertisement and ratings seems to suggest [AS] has lost some interest too.

Regardless... I'll keep watching.
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1 month ago
Brock is not Doc Savage. Jonas Venture is the Doc Savage look-alike.
Brock is the look-alike of Quest bodyguard Race Bannon.
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29 days ago
  • by Captain V
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Right.

But then why would Jackson and Doc say he's also based on Doc Savage in a commentary track?

Obviously, his is based on Race Bannon too.

Characters in this show are amalgamations of many, many things.
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29 days ago
  • by Captain V
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Jonas and Brock are each influenced by Doc Savage, to end the discussion. I forgot to mention that.

DS looks like Jonas and ORB here -http://adventuresinbronze.com/product/doc-savage-flight-into-fear-softcover/

DS looks more like Brock here -
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Franchise/DocSavage

Again, I'm pretty sure Doc and Jackson mix influences together like paint on a canvas. Shades of many characters may be influenced and informed by numerous things.
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29 days ago
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Hey Sgt Sloppy! Your flying jeep jalopy aint shoddy!

https://jalopnik.com/yes-the-u-s-army-actually-developed-a-flying-jeep-wit-1829029636
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A question that's been bugging me since the Morpho Trilogy. When did we first learn that Jonas died on Gargantua 1 and during "Movie Night." All I remember is that in the episode where Rusty mets Brock in college we'er just told that his father had died. And later I recall they dug up Jonas' coffin and found it empty. But the Morpho TRilogy made it sound like everyone knew Jonas died in space. Did "everybody" know this before the start of this season? I can't tell if I'm being gaslighted or just have a bad memory.
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The shirt is basically the Illuminati flag.

https://www.titmousestuff.com/products/week-7-illumina-tee
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Hilarious! (com/products/week-7-illumina-tee) (^o^) [illumina-tee]
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thank goodness...I was a wee bit terrified on what it could have been
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If they'd have included some of the orgy scene element, they'd have a naught-tee shirt.
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The title/motto/slogan/whatever on the shirt roughly translate to (using an online translator, I don't know any Latin):

The Order of World Power

We Thank You
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Final Notes:

The number 4 repeating can foreshadow death. And Copycat's apartment number... 44-44. In Japanese culture the number four sounds similar to death, allegedly where this all originates from. Or just new age internet culture in general.
Anyway, Copycat and everyone on the team besides Monarch and Dot Com appears to die, (at least gravely injured) and the heist was in fact planned in apartment 44-44.

The Illuminati silhouettes and voices are all just taken from Doc's subconscious mind. Likely, the second Brock and Hunter leave the advanced VR simulation begins.

According to the simulation Doctor Venture's most desired woman appears to be Dr. Mrs. the Monarch.

Gary is a nerd and has on a 20 sided die (dodecahedron) t-shirt.
Gary Fischer = Gary Gaygax, the co-creator of Dungeons & Dragons.

The Monarch lands on the very bed he was talking about earlier.

Apple experiment #6 is the one that actually worked.

Snow seems to only appear at The Monarch's in NJ and not anywhere in NYC in this episode. Although, a big chunk of the episode was a simulation.. so I'll let it pass.
But man, they are really building up to the big snowstorm episode. You can tell.
May even be the season finale.

The main trailer and especially the SDCC exclusive trailer apparently contained scenes from the final three episodes, as we haven't seen bloody penthouse Brock yet or Scare Bear, on and on like that.

Copcat's (Copy Cat's?) real plan is in fact entirely foreshadowed by the Monarch.

Hunter once again has a secret base on Venture compound, well, VenTech Tower technically.

Couldn't Hunter have just "washed" Rusty's brain clean with the "washing machine"?
I thought OSI had the too. I know Sphinx got blown up. I just meant wouldn't the OSI have one. Didn't Sphinx steal it from the OSI in the first place?

Are White and Billy liabilities? Since they clearly did most/some of the work on the teleporter?

The teleporter was probably something Jonas Jr. started and put away, and Rusty and crew picked it back up and finished it.

With only three episodes left... the teleporter pads could play a big role in the finale.
Particularly, with regards towards The Monarch getting everything he wants.

The upcoming "The Terminus Mandate" is about a black widower. Get it? Terminus Man Date.

This episode rocks and the heist stuff makes me laugh every single rewatch, especially towards the end when everything goes off and gets insane.

The Monarch survives astonishing accidents and both 21 survive a car crash relatively unscathed. Go Team Invincible Plot Armor!

I hope Mark Hamil returns in season 8. He's damn good and I'm not even a Star Wars fan.

The Monarch drops breaks his cool phone with the phone case I want in real life.

Ramburglar is the most brilliantly / most ridiculously named character this season.

The Monarch clearly dislikes him now, but it's great that he still thinks his apartment and style are cool. Good writing and characterization.

I love every episode where Pirate Captain appears, even if only briefly.

Since Brock keeps Tiny Eagle's carcass in his pocket... I'm guessing he's totally dead.

I want the Monarch's finished kitchen. Gorgeous! Maybe not in blue... but more or less.

The giant hand holding the world in front of Tophet Tower finally comes into play. This is of course a real world reference. What's interesting? The Hand literally delivers the Monarch the teleporter at the last second. Thus, granting him all the power in the world.
I.E. he's got the world by the balls now, errmmm, ball now.

Manolo appears briefly in the Monarch Cave / Basement but does not speak.

"Looking at me like a Johnny-stupid." - The Monarch
I've honestly never heard that one liner before.

Rated for broadcast TV-MA LS.

The eye patch strap on the back of Billy's head briefly disappears. He also wearing goggles. So, I see why it happened.

Boh Pirate Captain and Billy have similar eye patches. Counting Moltov and others.. this is a show full of eye patch people. It's just that kind of universe. Cigarette holders and eye patches.

This entire episode is Poetry in Motion.

Not only is "game-changer" said several times, so is the word unicorn.

Dot Com's real name is probably Dorothy or just Dot. Could be an accidental "The Tick" reference. Jackson wrote for every single iteration of "Tick" ever made. Even when it was a comicbook, he wrote some early issues. And Ben Edlund of course did help write a few early V Bros. episodes as well.

When the chair unlocks, Venture is still likely in the simulation, or they just put in back in, b/c the next shot he has a blindfold on. Meaning the VR simulation has definitely started.

I wonder who previously spray painted the big red X on the subway wall that Tunnel Vision drills into upon arrival? CC duplicate?

The Owl, often representing wisdom, an item associated with The Illuminati and other secret societies, appears in the episode. The fountain has an Owl atop it fr example.

Abort!! Abort!!! You're being set up!!! You're decoys!!!!

Dr. Venture laying down in his underwear, awaiting sex, is very similar to a poster from VB6.

Ramburglar's nickname is... Rambo... of course.

Sgt. Sloppy falls in the pool mid chase. Thus, he lived up to his new nickname.

Again, Driver X = Racer X.

Damn good traditional animation in this whole episode, but great CG animation too.

I love how 21 and The Monarch greet eachother nonchalantly after crashing.

Anyway, the most disturbing shot of the episode is the final beat. Dr. V hooked up to a sex machine... *shudders* two times.

And lastly; Night Dick finally returns next week.

(Part 2 of 2)
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The Poetry in Motion reference??? The Thomas Dolby song?
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Of course Dr. the Mrs. is Rusty's #1 fantasy... She's the longest female relationship he has going, such as it is.

I liked that upon hitting it big ($$-wise) Rusty's thoughts go to retiring to Spanakopita! (exclamation point required)
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29 days ago
Snow easily can happen in NJ and not NYC
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I did like the caper plot. The orgy thing was what set me off.
Drive X must have been one of Copy Cat's clones because just as Monarch warned that the team was a decoy Driver X's uniform collapsed, as if the body had been recovered.

Your comments about the number 4 in Japanese culture and Copy Cat's room number (44-44} was really interesting.

And speaking of Japanese anima / Manga -- there are a lot of one-eyed people in action-adventure stories. It's you can't be a bad ass without losing an eye.
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So who are the real villains, the Guild or the OSI?
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With Copycat's failure, is W Whale about out of subcontractors?
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The apples:

Experiment 1: red liquid - Dr Horrible style (smells like cumin)
Experiment 2: neatly cubed - makes me think of the digitizing laser from tron
Experiment 3: teratoma apple
Experiment 4: a neat cube - like one of those japanese molded watermellons
Experiment 5: "The Fly" apple
Experiment 6: Success? In my Venture Brothers? It's more likely than you think.
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The tiny eagle here is whole different thing from previous tiny eagle (as seen in Hate Floats, also with teleportation....). Original model TE had a different voice, was much smaller, and piloted a little eagle sized jet.

Hunter uses "Group Therapy" as euphemism for an orgy. I'm so stealing that.

Monarch's cape wings are for showing not for going. Gary/21 said his were "for showing, not for blowing" in Showdown at Cremation Creek part 2, only to find out he was wrong. "This changes everything!" says 24. Gamechanger!

Human sashimi would be a terrible idea even if you could ethically source the meat. The wikipedia article on cannibalism specifically flags prions (twice under #Medical_aspects, the brain diseases in the second paragraph are also prionogenic), but most pathogens could be transferred this way. Always cook your long pig thoroughly.

What is Gary's "Ph" bag and uniform a reference to?

I think the whole Eyes Wide Shut sequence feels a lot like Metalocalypse stuff (titmouse FTW). People eating, gratuitous and kinky sex, metal-ass costumes with a red tinged black color palate Tiger's knife strap-on has that show's groin-based-weaponry thing going on. Just ring your death bell!
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Gary's get up. Pharmacy chain called Duane Reade
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"Monarch's cape wings" - I think in the past few seasons the guys have made attempts to explain or at least acknowledge stuff in the show pointed out by fans, like when 21 complained about the doors in the cacoon all being tapered and they wear those wings, which fans had pointed out. That anaphylactic BM costume with the backstory was because of A) Don Fitzcaraldo was somewhat smaller in stature than he is as Vendata, and B) Gary made alterations to the original costumes, so Doc and JP knew we'd call them out if Vendata just slipped into the original BM costume. Also, I'm sure they knew some of us were wondering what was in that third pod.
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I agree with the Dean Martin reference for CopyCat and I enjoy that character.

However I always think of improv comedian Greg Proops when I see him on screen.
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Better TV ratings this past weekend -

Cable TV Sunday 9/16 Top 25: #14. - V Bros. - 0.680 million viewers.

I hope the numbers get back up to 0.700 soon!

Even if cable is dead... TV ratings are still important to networks... until cable TV totally disappears. Which seems like it'll be pretty soon.
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Sorry if somebody brought this up and I missed it, but was Copycat doublecrossing the Guild or just the decoy team? Is he with the Peril Partnership or was the plan to make a show of saving a botched operation and maybe scoring one of those open Council seats? I could see it working either way.

Heck, he's Copycat. He could have one body with the Guild and one with the Partnership and he'll just pick the side that comes out on top.
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Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter, EJ.
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Well, I'll be damned... this episode is completely uncensored on Amazon video.

You want nudity and f bombs uncensored? Here ya go.
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Yeah, I've been pleased at the unfiltered language (and the HD, and the Sunday night access) of the Amazon Prime Video feeds of this. I was not actually expecting all of that pixelization would be removed. All of it.
Yowzah.
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They've stepped up their game... with much more game!
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25 days ago
I'm willing to get past all the dicks (like actual, literal dicks) to get to Sheila. 'Bout damn time!
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24 days ago
Informative
Discussion for this weekend's episode is up! http://mantiseye.com/news/2018/09/the_terminus_mandate_discussion
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On further review... Is it possible Copycat also meant to scoop up Rusty as part of his plot (in addition to the teleporters)? The old Rusty's-bed-dumping-into-the-panic-room device might have worked, except that Rusty was in the OSI VR chair. Scooped up the Monarch though.

Oh, and the Monarch also takes some glass stabbing, like Rusty previously. Doppelganger much?
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I really, really loved this one.

Everyone who watches the show has speculated on two things:

1. Are Rusty and the Monarch brothers?

2. Is Rusty actually a clone as well, in a long, sad twisted tradition of family cloning?

This season seems to answer both. However, just not totally definitively... yet.

To me Rusty definitely died multiple times and was cloned. He and Malcom are definitely related. Likely brothers. And maybe BOTH are actually clones.
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The lack of a Mrs. Jonas Venture has made me wonder if Rusty wasn't a clone. In the end Morpho it sounded like Jonas has inseminated Blue Morpho's wife. Now it looks like he pulled a couple worms out of the clone farm. Just as Rusty did 23-24 years later.

I was wondering why HELPer didn't have a vocalizer, and now we have a model 2 with a vocalizer. Pity he wouldn't join the ventureverse, but like Ben seems to exist solely to pass on information that no one else was in a position to reveal.

I agree that Rusty probably died multiple times. In season 2 when we saw the computers used to program the Hank and Dean slugs they were antique, refrigerator-size tape machines. So probably the original equipment of Jonas' creation.

That Dean is Rusty's clone kind of answers when Ben was looking for signs of that frtus-eating gene in Dean. Rusty obviously had it, was a known problem with the first generation of clones and Ben was looking to see if it had been fixed in the second generation of clones.

And if Ben still has cloning equipment one has to wonder if Jonas will come back as a clone. (Though I think by the time he does Rusty will have concluded that Da-Da was better off dead.

This means that Dermet is the first Venture to have a mother since Jonas.

Back in the 1st ep of this season Jonas said something about how assured his virility was. I've wondered for a time that since Jonas seemed to sleep with any woman around either the world would be filled with a lot of baby Ventures, or Jonas was only shooting blanks all this time.

Loved it when Rusty had the breakthrough that OSI/GCI were just a bunch of children in silly costumes and deadly weapons.

This was my most favorite episode so far this season.
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Ben was also looking for extra hair growth around the eyes, which more-or-less confirms that The Monarch is an imperfect clone as well.
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Nice to see a call-back to the Shallow Gravy - Jacket video set.
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I know right? I laughed really hard at that bit!

It's also just hilarious that mountains of flammable jackets survived the fire b/c they were in the hanger.

I'm really pleased with this one. It addressed many things that needed to be touched upon. And it was all a great excuse to hash everything out with the GCI and the OSI, while showing Rusty can call everyone out while actually being competent, but also giving Hank and Dean great adventures that touched upon important things.

Darby did a great job voice acting too!

For an episode with no 21 or Billy or the Monarch... this one rocked!

Oh, and no Hatred in this one. First episode in a long time he wasn't in at all.
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I meant to type Pete White. Billy is actually in the episode very briefly.
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Episode 5 already...... Dang. Just let that sink in a moment. It's like season 7 just, just started after all this time and so suddenly it's already half over! Well, at least it sounds like the fellas already have stuff in the planning stage for season 8, so maybe it won't be as long til next time?
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Return of the PP!! Thrown off by Dermott's new look!! Guessing this weeks tee would be H.E.L.P.E.R. related..
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It shoulda been a H.E.L.P.eR related shirt... An army of them running amok. Although the Superman knockoff on the OSI shirt brought a chuckle.
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A great episode that felt like other classic "a bunch of weirdos get together on the venture compound for stuff" episodes like "Tag Sale, YOu're It!" and "The Buddy System". All three stories felt great and 2/3 have huge unexpected consequences down the line.
And both seem intresting. Rusty possibly being a clone is a great plotline and explains a lot, as one of the commenters here showed, and I look forward to seeing the Peril Partnership and an actual fully functioning rival to the guild. How do they work? While why their striking now is pretty damn obvious, a few months ago in-universe the guild had a massive upturn and just went through a crisis where they lost 15 to 20 members and had two hospitalised, how they function and if any of them are familar faces should be fun to sort out.
It was also nice to get a reunion between Hank and Dermott even if Rusty is bribing his son to keep quiet for now, it was still nice to see Dermott, like his brothers, is trying to make something of his life and his new role means we'll hopefully see him again in the future, especially since Hank and him play off each other well, as well as how it subtly shows how hank has changed. While he's always been willing to take the piss out of Dermott, here he not only does so well but actually solves the conflict and gets him promoted. He also has the biggest laugh of the episode with his fucking bizzare fantasy sequence involving pete's dragon, dwarves, and his girlfriend in an american flag dress for some reason, proving that while hank may be growing up he's still Hank.

As a quick aside I did love the whole romance subplot even if it ended sadly and on a wham note as well as the runner about pee on the belts.

WHile I talked abotu the clone side of things a bit, I did love dean's plot, bonding with helper 2, played by the wonderful rhys darby, as we learned ben just sorta fucked off to new zeland but left behind a new friend. And while Dean's new buddy sadly is too afraid of dying to leave, they do leave with Dean promissing to watch skins and Dean, despite his hangups, coming to realize just why his dad's so crewed up.

Finally we have the confrence the entire episode was built around which was just comic gold. Shore Leave's introductions were fucking gold, and I missed the character terribly for most of season 6 and was glad to have him back. Shiela's line about rusty to dean was also the most accurate thing that's been said about the character so far. And Rusty actually gets a moment of triumph, berating the council for acting like squabbling kids and outdoing his dad for once in his life. It was a feel good moment and James Urbaniak really sold the hell out of the moment. There was just too much hilarious about this subplot to get into.

Overall this was an amazing ep, and having finally caught up on the series, this season is proving to be a step up: taking the serilization and underarching plots (Setting up one with the guild and having Dean possibly rush at his dad and grandad's old fraternity in a future ep), but scaling it back, while touching on things they kinda left unreslolved like ben and dermott (even if they still haven't fully dove into Rusty being his dad, they have at least one more season for that and given this show we may never get an answer.)
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I concur completely, great comments Mogo.
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Conference was funny. Dunno about comic gold, but definitely funny. It seemed to me that for the first 3 of this season the (very interesting) story line considerations crowded out the humor. My comic gold: Brock trying to escape his duties when Rusty was in the hospital In "High Cost..." by reaching over and clicking the hell out of Rusty's meds infusion pump.
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The puzzle is not complete, but it is coming together:

Jonas got Mrs. F drunk and pregnant with his sperm.
Malcom is the real Venture.
Rusty is just a clone of Malcom, and it was the start of all the cloning.
Mrs. F was gonna tell BM everything, or already did.
Next, Jonas crashed the plane to cover everything up, and out of guilt rebuilt BM.

Then... *something something* ... Hank and Dean's mom is revealed. And it is fucking mind-blowing!!!
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Oh, and Malcom could be the true Venture... but also a clone b/c he died at some point. Maybe he died in the plane crash even? Jonas cloned him... and dropped him off at the planes crash site... out of guilt or whatever. Nothing is off the table!
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If Dean is a clone of Rusty, there would be no mother, either of Rusty or of Hank and Dean.
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Miss Clair Chenelwith is the name of the woman that was "rescued" by Jonas from the freezing water in the newspaper shown during H.E.L.P. eR. Mod-2's narration. I couldn't find any references to somebody by that name online. Anyone recognize the name?

Maybe the rescue of a damsel in distress itself by a celebrity is a reference to an actual event? I wonder if she plays any significant role in the Venture family saga? Perhaps she becomes Mrs. Fitzcarraldo?

Also, H.E.L.P. eR. Mod-2 tells Dean that he cannot go to New Zealand because he is an abomination, and he is voiced by Rhys Darby who is from New Zealand.

I also wonder if Ben's "trip to NZ" is just a cover story, as the timing seems suspect, and he's really at OSI HQ working on cloning Jonas?
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All of the newspapers have interesting bits about the history and hysteria of H.E.L.P.eR., and why model 2 is so afraid of humanity. I recommend pausing and reading each article. Jonas rescues Ms. Chenelwith a couple of weeks after all the bots were burned in protest regarding some incident. He was not worried about the long-term effects of that fiasco because the public's memory is short, and he did something great right after to make everyone forget.
The [AS] feed is in HD. Click the window to pause. Go read those articles.
(I'd screencap and post them all somewhere, but people better than me have more capable hands and skills.)
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I did read the stories, but good advice for the viewers. I did suspect that the "rescue" was just a PR ploy and likely Ms. Chenelwith's name is bogus, perhaps played by a young Grace Kelly? Jonas allegedly slept with her after all, and he also had connections with other actresses.
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"I've never seen curves like that on a seal...."
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Story indicates a H.E.L.P.eR going bad in Cold Springs, Montana. Don't think that's an actual town, tho there are any number of Cold Springs locations. There is a Cold Springs grade school in Missoula. There a MT connection doing some writing?
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I always thought Ben was an author's convenience rather a real person. That is, he was injected into the show to tell Dean he's a clone and had no other exist beyond that. And in a sense this is true because he just disappeared with Helper mk2 explains things to Dean, then refuses to leave the creepy old house. Helper2 like Ben in a sense don't exist and never will.
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Ok, where did they find a Carvel near Colorado Springs?
Or did they bring Fudgie all the way from the East Coast?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fudgie_the_Whale

"Forget it, Jake. It's Ventureverse."
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Amazing episode. This season is so dark! Even the setting has mostly been at night or cloudy. The morphic trilogy acted as a finale for season 6, but now it seems to be the perfect intro for this season’s arc. Anyone else notice how ambiguous all the language Has been in these first five? It’s like they take us right up to the edge of the truth without saying it. Even the episode titles are obscure
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FYI Ars Technica has an short article on Titmouse animation. One comment about the Venture Brothers was that they can't begin begin work on the early episodes until all the episodes are written in case they want to drop a clue into an early episode about something revealed in a later episode.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/09/between-cintiq-and-streaming-animation-is-thriving-ask-titmouses-chris-prynoski/
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So I'm just stringing together some facts here with the apparent confirmation that Rusty is a clone. I'm sure some of you have already pieced this together. Nonetheless...

Red Means Stop - Col. Gentleman says that Rodney killed a baby. Rodney claims it was a werewolf and Gentlemen says all he saw was a wee little baby with a silver bullet in its BRAIN.

Powerless in the Face of Death - In the 'many deaths of Hank and Dean' montage the boys are apparently mauled to death by what looks like Doc as a werewolf.

Assisted Suicide - Inside Doc's mind, two of the dead Hank and Deans look like they had been mauled. Doc later tells Hank that the Action Man used to wake him up in the middle of the night as a child by putting a gun to his HEAD and pulling the trigger. "Not today, Rusty. Not today." (a silver bullet in the baby's brain)

So if The Action Man had killed a baby Rusty, then Doc would have to be a clone to still be around. Doc must also have been cured of his lycanthropy at some point as there was a full moon in A Party For Taran and he didn't change. He still got shot though.
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Now that's some next level Venture sleuthing!!
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Nice!
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1 month ago
I hadn't put any of that together, nice work.

I did immediately think of the video from Now Museum Now You Don't:

Interviewer: Dr.Venture. What would you say was your greatest adventure and, eh, parenthetically eh what is your greatest invention?

Dr.V: Well, Dick, those are both excellent questions. But I'm afraid I only have one answer- My son.
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I hadn’t put those pieces together. Nice job!
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1 month ago
Informative
I called in as Augustus St. Cloud, that was fun!
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1 month ago
Ha! That was interesting (although my response was not clever or funny), still glad I called the number to listen to the Monarch for 15 seconds.
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Perhaps Rusty is just a clone of Jonas afterall.

Jonas Jr. is actually making more sense now.

Two clones formed together and screwed eachother up.

Plus, dudes a Peril Parnership mole! Dun. Dun. Dunnhhhhh!

Great episode, and SL definitely kicked PL's ass during the commercials!
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1 month ago
Called that hotline and am embarrassed by my attempt but I tried my best ;__;
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1 month ago
Whatdidjado? I had to call twice bc 1st time didn't leave an email. 1st time was White & Billy, then Brock.
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1 month ago
Did the best Hatred I could muster hahaha.
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1 month ago
Wait. Shouldn't you have been Hank? Or was that one of those "If there was ever a time I needed you NOT to be Hank it's now" moments?
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PROBABLY I NERVOUSLY WENT TO MY FIRST IMPRESSION ON HAND. Hank might've been easier too but harder to come up with what he'd say.
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VB7 Cake Giveaway Commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2seXWeEnkY

I called and did a bunch of bad voice impressions, go me!
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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I'm now noticing a theme with the S7 episode titles...
 
S07, E09 - The Forecast Manufacturer - 9/30/2018  
S07, E08 - The Terminus Mandate - 9/23/2018  
S07, E07 - The Unicorn in Captivity - 9/16/2018  
S07, E06 - The Bellicose Proxy - 9/9/2018

"Arrears" is the only exception... but obviously they had to parody the title from "Careers" in season one. It was too perfect.
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1 month ago
Argh! USPS sucks! The first shirt club shirt shipped from Los Angeles on 8/29. Tracking info just said "Your package will arrive later than expected, but is still on its way. It is currently in transit to the next facility". I click on History and it's still in Los Angeles... STILL... seven days later... and I'm on the East Coast! Okay, I get that Monday was Labor Day and all, but seriously I could walk it here faster, and I have a slight limp due to losing the toes on my left foot a few years back.
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1 month ago
I ad the same issue getting the tracking number last Friday and as of Wednesday it was still showing as "Pre-shipment".

Thankfully I got an update that it should be delivered tonight by 8 pm (fingers crossed!!!)

It's a little infuriating when I've seen other people on Facebook already posting pictures of getting their shirts from 701 & 702 though. I'm hoping I'll get those shirts tonight in addition to the Rusty's Machine one.
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1 month ago
  • by Pyros
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Titmouse has confirmed that the subscribers shirts will be shipped at the end of the run with the tenth shirt.
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1 month ago
Did not know that, thanks for the heads up! I was under the impression it would’ve come with the first shirt like the last seasons
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1 month ago
I got my email 2018-08-31 and my tracking number says it arrives tomorrow.
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1 month ago
Update: I get home from work today (just as a massive thunderstorm begins unloading. Uh, oh - the lights just flickered) and shirt 1 is sitting in my hall. So I guess their tracking wasn't so accurate. So I got it and shirt 2 is on the way. Edit: I opened the package and both shirts 1 and 2 were in there, so Yay!
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1 month ago
  • by zombiejesus
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I don't know if this has been mentioned here before regarding the t-shirt club, take a look at the Page Source code for the astrobasego.com site.
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1 month ago
LOL that is fantastic! And very well done too
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1 month ago
R.I.P. Burt Reynolds. Maybe I'll watch me some Sharky's Machine this weekend. Just not in the cargo bay.....
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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Nice, the new V Bros. finished in the top ten in cable ratings for the night -

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-sunday-cable-originals-network-finals-9-2-2018.html

This is really good news!
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1 month ago
  • by Aaaanon
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I'm doing my best to hold up the old-people numbers... You know, the ones the advertisers couldn't give a rip about.
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1 month ago
Informative
  • by Captain V
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  • by Destroyo
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That BETTER be this week's shirt - I'm ordering 2!
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1 month ago
I'm down for 3!
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1 month ago
Great episode! So fun to watch the parallel stories and the "behind the scenes" type stuff.

"The tub" was also just like wow.
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1 month ago
  • by zombiejesus
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"The tub" is a version of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism
Warning: this is gruesome.
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1 month ago
  • by zombiejesus
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And, a little bit of 1984 rat-cage on face implied there.
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1 month ago
LOVED this one. This is such an amazing season. Definitely am getting that shirt if that's the one.
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1 month ago
  • by zombiejesus
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Every episode is rewarding an HD pause. They write all of these documents knowing that we will eat them up, and they are loaded with gags and lore!
I'm not going to spoil anything, but I must say: "pinguid laurels".
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1 month ago
Pause it just before St. Cloud crashes through the window and check out that book Colonel Gentleman is reading. Looked it up on Amazon - real book!
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1 month ago
  • by zombiejesus
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AND, we need to get to start this conversation in a new thread on Friday afternoons, when the new ep drops at [as].
Period.

Please.

(And, yes, That Shirt.)
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1 month ago
Whew I need to be more diligent about getting the new discussons up. Go, go, go! http://mantiseye.com/episode/the_bellicose_proxy
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1 month ago
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From the baby/Helper article-

Today’s Think Thought: Old people drink less yet urinate more than the average teenager. Scientists say: “Weird, right?”
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1 month ago
Ok, (very) late to the party, but better than never.

Love the reference to the James Bond photo shoot for the poster ("From Russia, with Love"). The gun in the photo shoot was indeed a Walther LP 53 (though not a "BB gun", as Shore Leave said). The actual Walther PPK wasn't available for the photo shoot, but the photographer did have his own personal Walther LP (Air Pistol) model 53, so that is what was used (http://www.007museum.com/Walther_LP53_Connery_Bond.htm).

Ok, as a guy who actually shoots a Walther LP 201 in competition, I am a bit biased, but I am still impressed.
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1 month ago
Another fantastic episode and I pray this weeks shirt is what appeared in the episode
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1 month ago
I think it's a wee bit obvious! That Dr. Z dream sequence...!
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1 month ago
"Then we all get milkshakes!"
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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That shirt the Monarch had on will DEFINITELY be the new shirt available for purchase.

I'd bet $1000 on it.
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1 month ago
It's the shirt...
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1 month ago
  • by Destroyo
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It's cheaper to ship two separate orders than two in the same shipment - weird dat.
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1 month ago
With USPS that is likely because there is a weight limit for 1st class mail, so one shirt is below 1 lb. whereas two shirts would probably be over a pound so they'd need to use another service like Priority Mail. For UPS and FedEx, it would be cheaper to ship two shirts in one package then it would to do two separate shipments. I run a shipping department.
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1 month ago
  • by Destroyo
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I was afraid Astrobase Go was going to troll us this week with a "Truck Yeah" shirt.
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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I was a little surprised that Shiela lost her temper so easily just because some OSI grunt didn't know who she was. And why did she tell hubby that he saved her "life"? I wonder if something's eating her and she's been keeping it bottled up?
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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It was a bit weird and very out of character for her.

And oddly, I actually have some minor gripes/issues with this episode.

Anyway, definitely not bad... but the whole episode felt very much like Doc sat down and tried to write a goofy madcap season 2 episode... but in season 7.

And I wouldn't doubt it if he intentionally did this, b/c he mentions in commentary how he'll take vastly different approaches to each episode he writes each and every season to keep it fresh for himself.
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1 month ago
  • by gnormie
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Did Monarch call her Councilwoman Smith? Did he just invent a generic last name or is her real name Sheila Smith Fitzcarraldo?
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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He was just covering for her... listen to the line delivery on 'Smith'.

He stumbles slightly while he quickly thinks of Smith.
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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Some Notes:

While this is arguably the most hilarious episode of the season, it's not my personal favorite. However, I just re-watched it and liked it much better.

Some jokes are extra hilarious to me; like Billy being a giant Pepsi can and especially Rusty being so genero...greedy with the donuts.

I loved St. Clouds version of the bubblegum line from "They Live" and yes, many shows use/parody it at some point.

The bathtub bit was gruesome, Doc is really good with that kind of stuff; Red Death's monologue from the second episode this season is another great example... and is also a riff on the famous monologue from Jaws.

Speaking of Jaws... it gets mentioned yet again. Doc sure loves himself some Jaws.

Unrelated, but I realized Hatred was getting stale to me b/c I'v really enjoyed him not being in the last two episodes. I think he works best as a character you only use when you need him, just like Dr. Orpheus. Or just use him for a joke about only cooking eggs w/ ketchup, you get what I mean. Both characters worked great, were funny and had crap to do in "Problem" and "Arrears" for example.

For whatever reason I feel Dr. Z is getting over used this season as well, he could use a little break too. To clarify I love Dr. Z and Hatred... just my opinion for this particular season.

Billy's Mom fighting St. Cloud is literally an idea I also had; probably an idea many, many people have had. But, very weirdly, the main difference is St. Cloud gets thrown out the window by Gentleman in my imaginary version. This was something I thought of back during VB6. So, to see him bust through the window and fight Gentleman and Rose... it was a tad surreal.

I wonder if Rose and Gentleman will become a couple while Rodney is in a coma? Maybe.

Anyway, Dr. Mrs. The Monarch feels off in this one, especially where she snaps at the end just b/c some OSI grunt named Kimberly didn't recognize her. Why would Dr. Mrs. even give a shit? Maybe it's foreshadowing that he job is already "getting" to her? If not... it was a very odd bit of characterization to say the least.

Brock and Doc's final lines at the very end were hilarious, poor absolutely pathetic Billy and White!

Athough they were much, much more nonchalant, everyone also seemed much more competent and realistic in "Maybe No Go", with regards to everything Quizboy vs. St. Cloud. While this episode made them all feel more incompetent than ever before. Perhaps, it was just b/c they were being mentored by idiots like Rusty and The Monarch? This is my weird complaint, and I know it's just my bizarre perception.
But this did feel like a step back with regards to their entire dynamic.

St. Cloud feels especially inept in this episode, I mean he actu..... PENIS!!!! PEENNIISSS!!!! PEEEEEEENNNNNNNIIIISSSSSS!!!!! PEEEEEEENNNNIIIISSSSSS!!!!!!

The Monarch's line about the X-2... interesting.

The way this particular episode starts feels extra abrupt to me, but... sooo many jokes got crammed into it, that I totally understand.

Quite a reference heavy episode.... a bit more notes to come later on.

(Part 1 of 2)
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1 month ago
I think it's pretty funny how Billy has always dreamed of having his own costumed nemesis, and now that he has one, albeit one as pathetic as St. Cloud, he is terrified. He and White were practically pooping themselves over that Guild scroll and Doc tries to show them it's no big whoop.

Doc: (sarcastically) "Come in, Brock. We have a level 1 arching threat."
Brock: "So? What, do you want an aspirin or something?"
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1 month ago
  • by zombiejesus
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"The bathtub bit was gruesome, Doc is really good with that kind of stuff"

I mentioned in the Inamorata thread that "the bathtub" is a variation on this slowly-torture-to-death method, invented by those wily Persians:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism
Again, I warn you, it is really gruesome, and even worse than how Councilperson Dr. Mrs. describes. It could take 12-18 days.
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1 month ago
Rose and the Col a couple? He don't swing that way matey...
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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What? He swings all ways... but yeah, he definitely leans one way in particular.

He was married back in the day.

Basically, he'll have sex with anyone he deems beautiful.
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1 month ago
"I thought I was your beard..!"
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1 month ago
So you also noticed that Dr. Z was in a skirt at the end of his little makeover fantasy?
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1 month ago
  • by gnormie
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He was married to Dr. Quymn's mother. So I always thought he was Bi.
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1 month ago
Loved this episode, definitely one of my favorites this season! The whole storyline of Dr. Venture and The Monarch hand-holding people through a low level arching experience was awesome. In combination with the GCI intro, it lays more foundation on how the whole arching system works in this world.

Stand-alone episodes like this don't always push the overall narrative forward, but I enjoy the world-building or adventure they often bring with classic Venture Bros. comedy!
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1 month ago
The previous week's is still my favorite episode but this got a lot of laughs out of me. It's good from time to time to do a standalone episode. especially when the episode connects to the story universe, like the Evil Mentoring Program. Some people are saying that Dr. Mrs. The Monarch's behavior at the end of this episode was out of character. Well, I kind of thought all her #metoo objections were kind of out of place, too. More than likely actually running the Guild is getting to here. But I also think that this was done to show that The Monarch really cares for Sheila and acted to save her from her own temper, and that she cares that he cares. There hasn't been a lot of warmth shown between the two even though the second and third seasons were really all about them.
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1 month ago
  • by Destroyo
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some quick refs:

- oh no, it's Guardo! from S107 Home Insecurity
- the Monarch's laugh scene evokes Cameron's scream from Ferris Bueller's Day Off
- Delta Boy of Venus seems from Anais Nin's "Delta of Venus" smut book
- Pete's tale takes full lines from Billy Batts's epic beating in GoodFellas
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1 month ago
Another possibility for Delta Boy of Venus could be "Delta of Venus" by Boy with Wings? https://boywithwings.co.uk/news/delta-of-venus.html

It was the first result of my Googling it anyway. Probably something totally different. We'll probably have to wait for the commentaries or the next art book.
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1 month ago
It's too bad the Mego figures, DOLLIES, aren't doing well enough to make a White and Billy from this episode...
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1 month ago
Some are good, most are okay and some are just creepy bad. And the fabric for the clothes is too thick for that size so it bunches up. The ones I had back in the 70's were an overall better quality I think, and they used a thinner fabric for the clothing.
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1 month ago
WHHHHAAA?? You opened their boxes? That was mint in box!!!
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1 month ago
I know, but how else was I gonna make my Joker and Riddler kidnap my cousins' Barbie dolls, then have Spock team up with Batman to save them?
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1 month ago
"Dean has 6-pack abs" I hear...
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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Bif Bang Pow! officially retired their V Bros. merchandise. years ago.

I literally bought everything they put out... three times over.

I liked the company b/c if you sent them an email they'd write you back.

I remember distinctly asking for a St. Cloud MEGO right before everything VB ended.

The merchandise they produced varied wildly in quality.

Hilariously, Helper is particularly crappy and the arms break off just sitting on a shelf. So... I glued the arm back on. Good as new!

I have doubles/triples of MEGO V Bros. characters MOSC and out of box. Bobble heads, mugs, cups, blah-blah-blah.

Counting the Moppets, 26 MEGO type figures were made.

That's better than most toy lines actually.

Now, Kidrobot officially makes V Bros. stuff.
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1 month ago
I really liked this episode as a quality "pallet cleanser" after all the big revelations this season. Aside from Monarch mentioning the X2 being familiar, there weren't any "history mysteries" brought up. This was a funny breather episode. I really enjoyed when Rusty decided to get involved when he realized the Monarch was somehow connected. Its rare to even hear Rusty say the Monarch's name out loud, so it was a treat for him to take it personally. Speaking of the Monarch, I love the dynamic between him and 21 this season and last. Like sure the Monarch is the boss, but those two are literally best friends now. Who would have guessed that back in season one that the tubby comic relief henchman would have such a long character arc?
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1 month ago
  • by gnormie
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Monarch's parents arrived at the X-2 when Jonas bested L Ron Hubbard's robot in a previous episode.
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1 month ago
  • by Yarwoodart
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Are the buildings at the beginning the Cosby townhouse?
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1 month ago
  • by Matt Jones
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The building with the black windows that they go into is really the Brooklyn Heights Subway Ventilator.
https://untappedcities.com/2014/09/25/hiding-infrastructure-with-fake-townhouses-in-nyc-paris-london-and-toronto/
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1 month ago
Awesome! Thanks for the information/link, I didn't know about this but that is spot f**king on.

A screenshot I took:
http://i.imgur.com/mMGMWIJ.jpg
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1 month ago
I got three shirts today:

Jonas Venture
Modern Enemy Monthly
Problem
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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Noice!!!
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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More Notes:

Opening establishing shot: What is with that green car? It stops where there is no stop sign, then quickly speeds off. Strange.

Where the fuck is the snow? It's January in NYC!? As Dot Com would say... Epic Fail.

King Diamond is an eccentric Danish musician.

Television broadcast rating / 0.551 million.

The Monarch and 21's outfits are a specific nod in the beginning of the episode, I'm just not sure as to what. But they look familiar. Maybe someone else knows?

Next week is the big "heist" episode, should be fun. Copycat would be involved an Ocean's parody, it's beyond perfect.

The helicopter is from Blue Thunder, a action thriller from 83 starring Roy Scheider.

The makeover sequence is from everything ever... even Family Guy did it... probably.

The original Sigmund and the Sea Monsters was a kids show from the 70s.

Animation error: Doc's glasses are incomplete as Billy is shot leaving the bathroom.

The purple pineapple flavored fog may actually be referring to vape devices, as a pineapple flavored vaping liquid was quite popular in recent years. And Doc mentions them in the commentary tracks

This season needs more Pirate Captain and Crusaders Action League. Also, Red Death needs to return for the season finale. Oh, and more Wide Wale too.

This episode seems to have way more jokes than usual and less focus on plot. A first for the season.

Christopher Street is pretty accurate... I think.

PEEENNNIIISSSS!

Col. Gentleman's book is a direct reference... but I forget now. Someone else will know.

Humira is obviously for arthritis. However, it is also used to treat many things.

$9.00 for a latte actually sounds cheaper than the prices currently in NYC.
Although, you can still find a latte for $3.00 if you know where to go.

Truck Yeah!

Dr. Mrs. hates truckers and happy endings.

The final beat feels like a season two capper, the way Doc's head barely moves and he says... "Never." I totally love that moment.

They no longer have a copyright year in the ending credits, it comes during the WS end card only now.

We actually get to see Killer Drone's costume.

VenTech Tower gets messed up yet again, level 6 lighting is serious!

Dean had no lines but appears briefly at the end.

I had more... but this is good enough. Thanks for reading.

(Part 2 of 2)
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1 month ago
I looked and see plenty of snow, you should ease up on them, I bet it hard to put in. or something, besides we get a snow packed ad-Venture soon...

And The Egoist SPEAKS SLLLEEEEPP!
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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I was mainly just kidding around. And earnestly don't even really give a fuck.

But seriously don't make me out to be a liar, b/c there is ZERO snow in this episode.

Again, there is literally zero snow in the entire episode.

You must be getting purple fog and snow confused.
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1 month ago
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  • by Captain V
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That's it! Nice find!
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1 month ago
Also, second Rosey Grier reference (Remeber the two headed man costume from the Halloween episode)
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29 days ago
  • by Captain V
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(Addendum)

When Doc said: "We're stepping up our game!"

I so, so badly wanted him to instead say: "We're stepping up our game... with much more game!"

Missed opportunity. Oh, well.
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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Are you f'ing kidding me. I want like 5 of those.
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1 month ago
  • by H. Killinger
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  • by Captain V
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Doctor, you are on point!

Wow, I like the episode even better now just knowing this is based on reality.
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1 month ago
  • by H. Killinger
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Screenshot for comparison: https://imgur.com/mMGMWIJ
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1 month ago
To me St. Cloud seemed a lot more confident and like a bigger threat during "Spanakopita!" and when he attacked Pete and Billy's trailer, eventually taking their ball and Robobo. He was was just totally incompetent in this episode.
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1 month ago
1 month ago
The star of Sharky's Machine has fallen today, let it be noted...
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1 month ago
1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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A great episode that's an absolutely fantastic and hilarious way to come back after last weeks BIG episode.

The Helper bit was the highlight, had me laughing very, very loudly.
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1 month ago
I didn't make it, but here it is in gif form
https://i.imgur.com/sCJ6U3X.gif
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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You sir, Go V Deep!

Just the exact gif we all need... but don't deserve.
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1 month ago
Interesting love triangle seeming to form. Sinterklaas hinted at it in an interview a few weeks ago where the interviewer talked about the boys dating girls and he corrected them by saying something like "well, dating *girl*."
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1 month ago
Love the blueprints for The Hank Cave. Includes a heart-shaped bed, skylight, an oven, conversation pit, water feature, movie monster make-up station and, but of course, a Batpole. Gotta have the Batpole!

Oh, and did anyone else enjoy seeing The Monarch's house get renovated? Must be residual from my former This Old House addiction from way back in the Bob Vila days.
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1 month ago
  • by zombiejesus
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Professor Helpful is Harvey Birdman!
(and Carl Sagan)

Cap'n V, I look forward to your always cogent analysis.
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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Thanks!

I was actually going to guess the new t-shirt would be the Handy Dandy lid.

And then...

https://www.titmousestuff.com/collections/venture-bros-2015
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1 month ago
  • by zombiejesus
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I was pretty sure the shirt would be that.
Added to cart.

(I'm a Dapper Dan man, myself.)
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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Now, obvious not always... but quite often the shirts will use in house animation designs from the episode proper.

Meaning, Doc Hammer already made that design and somebody put it on the can once the animation comes back from Korea.

Then they take the file with the design in it and put it on a shirt.

The BM shirt was also just key prop animation from the magazine cover.
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1 month ago
  • by Captain V
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Damn that first sentence I typed got all messed up.

Yoda I am. At least... my keypad is.
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1 month ago
  • by Destroyo
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There was a Guild bounty on the head of the Blue Morpho. Shouldn't The Monarch be able to collect on that?
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1 month ago
You would think. They obviously didn't give him a seat on the council, though that was Red Death's demand. They must have figured out that The Monarch didn't actually bag BM after interviewing the other witnesses present. They seem very thorough in those regards. I'll bet he didn't even get the free Guild dues either, or his weight in mugs.
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1 month ago
So Dean's rooming with the Brown Recluse. Does he know that or is this another case where the least likely people end up together, like the way Dean bumped into Sirena. (Consideing how closely guarded she is in her own home, I'm surprised that her father lets her walk to class without a bodyguard.

Hank can't find a job but Dean can whip a million dollar check just like that...

That The Monarch's Trust Fund money has run out surely proves that he's just like his brother, Rusty.

And when Hank was talking to Rusty in the hospital, and Rusty seemed to like him, did Rusty really know he was talking to Hank or did he think he was talking to Dean.

Between the old hover bikes and Hank's personal transportation module (who built that Jonas Sr or jr?) and JJ levitation belt there's enough good tech to put VentureTech on a firm financial basis. Of course we never see any of the tech goodies used by the Guild or OSI being introduced to the public. Is there some law against introducing high tech? And who decides what is or isn't high tech.

Is Hank going to turn evil and war against his brother. It seems like he has all the right conditions ... he always take shortcuts to his goals, tends to cheat people with Hankco, hates his father and has good reason to hate his brother if Serena starts liking Dean better than Hank.
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1 month ago
Rusty ended his convo with Hank by calling him Kate Jackson, so I guess that's who he thought he was speaking to.
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1 month ago
  • by Aaanon
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More odd is Dean rooming with an upper classman (at least my assumption, since Brown Recluse was giving orientation tours a year ago... ok, a season ago (which in Venture years is 3 or 4 years)
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He is the Brown Widow. I had just assumed he was a postgraduate student. He told Dean he got his condition while working on his irradiated spider thesis in Bright Lights Dean City, though we don't know how long ago that little accident happened.
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I had assumed the same last season (graduate student). But now that we see Dean room with him, and take a general education class with Dean, I would presume that Brown Widow (Jared) is a sophomore.

Since we found out that EVERYTHING that has happened over the entire run of the show (other than flashbacks) has occurred only over 2.5 (or less) years....it compresses how quick the characters have grown based on their wild experiences. I never would have thought the show ran over such a short time-frame, but I guess I had presumed it was spanning over about 4.5 years at this point (which really isn't that much more time). I still think the events of Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel had to occur over AT LEAST 9 months (and probably more) and it really can't overlap with any episodes before or after it (well...it conceivably could overlap with Perchance to Dean, but I doubt it).
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I did NOT need to see his ass though, or his very personal hygiene habits. I was eating at the time.
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Liked the Hudsucker Proxy boardroom reference.
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Me too! Loved that movie. And so awesome the suicide of the original is turned into "see I'm still alive" but at the same time Dr. Venture starts to bleed out and could actually have killed himself by accident :)
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Glad the chess happy MODOK professor is back. Pretty bummed when he was car slammed into the V building.
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That was both funny and touching that Stars and Garters was singing to him while he's in a coma. Shows that some protagonist/antagonist adversaries actually care about each other, like Captain Sunshine being all broken up and distraught over the Clue Clown's demise.
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Random (Mostly Inane and Insane) Notes:

- Brock's old football jersey number from State U is 72, and he's obviously still a big fan to this day.

- Two separate episodes this season have characters mockingly mimic people's eyewear with their hands up to their own face. WW mocks BM's mask. Hank mocks Doc's glasses.
It was probably hard and very specific to direct the animation on originally, so they used the bit twice.

- Yes, the Monarch took credit for BM and Jonas's demise. But I guess they didn't believe him (or care) and Red Death basically 'got' the Monarch's seat, b/c a seat was promised to him by Dr. Mrs. The Monarch.

- Dean made the check out to 'The Mighty Monarch' and Monarch clearly got it cashed at the Guild Credit Union. Cause he ain't ever going back to his old bank... and they wouldn't cash a check not made out to his real name of Malcom F.

- I surmise Sirena may actually be a gold digger or more accurately she just likes to play games with boys. Regardless, it'll be interesting if Dean falls for his brothers girlfriend and a love triangle forms. Or... maybe it was all a one off thing. I feel like her being in class with Dean was beyond coincidence too.

- Seems, every single professor at SU is either a super villain or a super scientist.


- Dr. Z would of course use the same palm aid as the Monarch.

- At least two Cohen Bros. film references; Handy Dandy is a reference to the palm aid in "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?" / the board room jump is a direct parody of a scene from "The Hudsucker Proxy".

- Hopefully, we can get a "Barton Fink" reference next week.

- How'd Pirate Captain get Rusty back inside? A stick?

- The Monarch mentions amber grier (spelling?) in the Handy Dandy. Basically, a substance harvested from whale vomit used to make perfume and cosmetics. It comes up in "Futurama" and "Bob's Burgers" too. Basically, only good cartoons mention it.

- Both Monarch and Hank want money for new stuff (Hank Cave / Cacoon) and have very detailed blueprints ready to go.

- Both Rusty and the Monarch have blown through an entire fortune in inheritance money from their dead fathers.

- Full circle alert: The Monarch was a level 6 before all the BM stuff and he got dropped to 4. He is now a level 6 once again.

- Ketchup packet dream catcher by Helper for Dean.

- Burnt Mr. Reachy goes to college with Dean.

- Hank gets it from Rusty. Jumping off of tall buildings I mean.

- Rust 4 Life / Kate - Jackson - Meow. Kate Jackson was a main protagonist on Charlie's Angels.

- Hank Co. will never die... it lives on! Fuck, yes!!!

- The flowers now have a fake monarch on them. Dean's flowers for Hatred had a Blue Morpho on them. The animation design is just recycled and recolored to seem different.
But it seems clever to at least change the fake butterfly.
See: Hank and Sirena's ninja cups from their S6 date for another example. Best w/commentary track turned on.

- Hatred lives and sleeps in the lobby like a loser. B/c of course he does.

- Vigo Von Hellfire = Dr. Doom.

- Victor Von Hellfire/Helping = Kristoff Vernard aka Dr. Doom's adopted son. He isn't based on him exactly. But Doom's son bounces back and forth from good to evil. So it does all fit.

- 21 and the Monarch fly over the cargo ship from the beginning dream sequence.

- Gary Cole is playing Victor Von Hellfire. Gary Cole returns to [AS] as Harvey Birdman in an all-new special this Fall. Probably how they got him, he was already back around [AS] again.

- Monarch definitely uses the Guild Credit Union now. Fuck his old bank.

- Poster references galore!

- Where did the fake-out laundry room go BM activated to trick 21?
Now it's the regular cave again?!? Albeit painted up. Was there another switch in the laundry room?

- Two months later? Meaning it's now January in NYC. Not enough snow in the backgrounds. Epic Fail.

- Full circle alert: The former BM mobile is now a brand-new Monarch mobile. They even changed the doors to stay closed while flying. Yet again, it was destiny Malcom's dad had a flying car too.

- Helper is still the best underrated character. In the show and in the fandom.

- What new throne room? In S6 Monarch mentions this will be his throne room.
I really thought that room was going to be the Monarch's new throne room?
Looks more like his version of a slick expensive office.

- Very reference heavy episode. I left out a bunch of stuff.

Go Team Monarch!
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Corrections:

1. Pomade

2. Ambergris

Damn, I use to know this crap!
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On the photo from Prof. Von Helpings dad's it's signed; You are my greatest disappointment....
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I don't think you can Sirena a "gold-digger" that's a woman who tries to gouge money from a man because the woman is poor. Sirena has a dad issue but not a money issue. It's not really clear whether Sirena is in love with Hank or is just amused by him because of his numerous and persistent attempts to evade her bodyguard and get to her. And it's not clear whether she see Dean romantically or a sympathetic friend who shares her issues with super-hero/super-villain fathers. Clearly Hank and Dean have the trouser tent for Sirena but it's not clear if it's reciprocated.

I wondered how they recovered the unconscious floating Rusty, as well. They could have sent out a helicopter or, what -- Helper has a built in helicopter. They could have sent him out to get him.

Speaking of Helper, I'm reminded of an R2D2 comment I one read. How hard would it be to install a vocalizer in him so he wouldn't have to beep all the time. Of course a Helper that could talk wouldn't be as interesting.

Maybe Red Death got the bounty as well as the price for keeping quiet about Malcolm's double life as the current Blue Morpho. Or maybe Malcolm blew through the bounty money as well as the Trust Fund while rebuilding his house.

Red Death blend of loving to kill people and his happy daddy at home kind of reminds me of another villain who dresses in red -- Deadpool.

Sirena being in a class with Dean is like Dean rooming with Brown Widow or that Ventech HQ is right across the street from Wide Whale. VB is premised on unlikely coincidences.

von Hellfire = von Doom is a suprise but makes sense. I was thinking the professor's was Baron Underbite at the time. Of course underbite was another Dr Doom reference.

I binge watched the season last night. One think I noticed, especially in the 3rd episode was how the byplay between Whale and his chief bodyguard resembled the banter between The Monarch and 21. Apparently super-villans need their confidents.

I always enjoy your summary of references to each episode.
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Nicely done Cap'n.

Re: Ambergris -- good cartoons and of course Moby Dick (a whole chapter, as I recall). Maybe the Handy Dandy people follow Wide Whale around...

Anything Freudian rattling around with the "palm aid"??
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  • by Aaaanon
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Oh, & I'm holding out for a Miller's Crossing reference
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  • by Captain V
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I have it incorrectly written down alternatively as both palm aide and palmade in my notes. So... I'm just dumb.

However, lets say it was a Freudian slip.
Makes me seem more interesting and sexual.
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Fun fact: Ambergris is more likely in whale poop, not barf. Generally with an undigestible bit of a squid in it, usually a beak. It's kind of like a whale-pearl, and it develops so far down the digestive tract that it probably comes out from the exit, not the entrance. And not too many cases of anyone witnessing the ejection of ambergris.

I think Sirena (definitely Siren) genuinely likes Hank (in THAT way). We see her in her bra kissing him goodnight. She probably doesn't have many/any suitors because of her dad. Her friendliness with Dean is possibly for having another boy in her orbit who isn't daunted by WW.

The posters in Von Helping's office are great. My favorite: MAKE WHALES NOT BOMBS.

And, Kate Jackson was the sexiest Angel. The brains of the operation. Mrawr~
I went out and bought a second copy of this TV guide at the time:
https://metvcdn.metv.com/xGtdq-1472760796-embed-tv_guide_2.jpg
(No, I don't have it anymore. Yes, I am an Old.)
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Ooh! Also, also, Vigo Von Hellfire's name is probably borrowed from Vigo the Carpathian, from Ghostbusters II.

Great article about the man from that painting:
https://deadspin.com/the-hateful-life-and-spiteful-death-of-the-man-who-was-1737376537
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Holy crap, that was a good article. And I think you're right about the reference.
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  • by Captain V
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Good work everyone and thanks for the encouragement!

I enjoy reading all of your comments and notes.
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The ck Dean scratches to the Monarch is #0005.
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Another interpretation of Sirena is of the classic sirens who lead men to their doom. Those gills also suggest shark DNA. My bet is at least one of the boys is getting hurt this season, perhaps getting broken-hearted enough to turn. With last season's pool foreshadowing I'm still going with Hank going full Bad-guy.
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  • by Captain V
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Interesting, I have it written down simply in my own notes as: Sirena = siren?

Only time will tell. Hank was already going to join WW to marry Sirena before he had to kill the Monarch. I don't think Hank will ever be truly evil. But... it all could be building to something else just as intriguing.

I just thought it was funny Sirena kissed Dean after seeing him write a million dollar check. I know he "saved" her from 21. But she quickly pointed out they were just level -3 bozos who wouldn't do shit to her. So, the kiss seemed a little less than innocent ultimately b/c she also just kissed Hank the same way before she went to class.

Honestly, it might be nothing more than a thanks, and Sirena is totally innocent. A perceived rivalry between Hank and Dean might be their own doing, as Dean reads far into things as the season unfolds. I guess we'll see.
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Really wished the last beat of the episode was Dean saying; "Oops, the Apaches are back!!"
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My thought, too!
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"Better call Dr. Orpheus!"

Oh, any idea why that dreamcatcher that Dean hung on his dorm room wall had ketchup packets tied to it? Is that from something?
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googling "dreamcatcher ketchup" is very unproductive. I know it's from HELPeR so it's bound to be wonky but I don't recall any reference that would explain it. Maybe it's foreshadowing for a reference yet to come? Some season 8 line that mentions ketchup?
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  • by Captain V
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Helper put unopened ketchup packets directly in the food he made the for the Venture's in S6. It's after he kills J-bot. It's all because J-bot makes them a delicious breakfast and causes Helper's jealousy in the first place.

He thinks humans like unopened ketchup packets and doesn't fully understand why.

It's just a weird running gag.
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Oh, yeah. Like giving Dean a warm freezer pop after he got his balls untwisted.
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I think this got overlooked b/c [AS] posted it a month after the fact, not to mention that the new season is already half over this weekend.

Venture Bros. 2018 SDCC Panel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiK7kROoPJs

Oh, and don't forget to rate each new episode on here after you've watched it.
I see the newest one only got a few votes total so far.
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Just watched The Inamorata Consequence. It was alright. Interesting to say the least. One of the rare episodes where Doc Hammer did more voices than Chris McCulloch or is this a first perhaps?
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  • by Captain V
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The huge revelation in this one!!! Wow, I loved it!

I was wondering if Dean would go back to Ben's house.

And Rusty calling them all out, just awesome!

http://www.adultswim.com/videos/the-venture-bros/the-inamorata-consequence
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A number of fans had been speculating that for some time, and I guess that does confirm it., though what really matters isn't so much as to where you came from as it does as to where you are.... as a person, that is!
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JAW ON FLOOR DANG HOW CAN THEY DROP A BOMB LIKE THIS ON US
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  • by Captain V
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Everyone who watches the show has speculated on two things:

1. Are Rusty and the Monarch brothers?

2. Is Rusty actually a clone as well, in a long, sad twisted tradition of family cloning?

This season seems to answer both. However, just not totally definitively... yet.

To me Rusty definitely died multiple times and was cloned. He and Malcom are definitely related. Likely brothers. And maybe BOTH are actually clones.
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Oh snap I just remembered a thing Jackson or Doc said about Monarch's memory of the plane crash / being raised by butterflies maybe not being as true as he said just cuz he was such a little kid, that could tie into your last point.
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There's also the theory that Malcolm is the original Venture son and that Rusty is a clone of him, likely one of many. That would make Malcolm the actual heir to the Venture "Empire".
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  • by Captain V
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Could definitely be correct.
But I just want the Monarch to find out he's a clone too.
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Anyone else thinking with OSI wanting to take Jonas' head to study and "stuff", and since they already took all of the cloning tanks/research...will we be seeing a Jonas clone by the end of the season?
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Yea, seems like too much of a loose end to not get a follow up @ some point.
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Memo: Clones do not inherit the memories of the original. So a cloned Jonas might be a genius but woulldn't know anything about what Jonas had invented ni his first life.

Also, clones grow as a normal rate so a cloned Jonas wouldn't be ready for 20 years.
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There’s nothing stating the OSI may have messed around with all the cloning tech they took from the Venture compound and developed it to the point of clones aging faster then real time. We haven’t seen what they’ve done with the information since they confiscated it.

And they have Jonas’ brains. Who knows what they’re able to do with it(especially now that they also have parts of Venturion/Vendata)
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My thinking as well. Jonas' old cloning technology was decades out of date, and I'm betting that Dr. Vulcano is a bit more competent than Rusty was at this cloning racket. Jonas even stated that his plan was for Billy to put his brain into Vandata's body until he and Doc could get the cloning tech going again. I doubt he was planning to wait for a new body to age 20 years or so.
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Well the agreement was to disassemble Vendata. The OSI is going to want to debrief Jonas on many things including PROBLEM and Movie Night. I have a feeling in some future season we may see Jonas get exactly what he wants. His Brain in Vendata's Body.
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The closing scene clearly indicates that Rusty has what remains of Jonas's head. I'm not sure he will turn it over to OSI. Also I think that this time Jonas's head is really dead. Previously it had been frozen so it hadn't decayed before being hooked up to the PROBLEM machine. This time it looks like all the life-support machines was destroyed and the brain wasn't transplanted anywhere. Maybe Rusty gave OSI the Vendata brain instead of Jonas thinking no one would notice the difference.
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Well in that line of thinking, take the Blue Morpho. He was technically dead for a good few weeks to months before Jonas turned him into Venturion. And while he didn’t have his memories at first, this last episode showed he still retained a lot of his memories.

And like the cloning tech, don’t think there’s anything Rusty can do to prevent the OSI from getting what they want.
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I thought the first two parts of this trilogy were pretty ordinary but the finale really blew me away. A lot of revealed history. Most of the revelations were pretty much what we expected -- Jonas was Monarch's real father, making him Rusty's half-brother. Blue Morpho was cyborgized into Vendata. And they both die (again) in the end because this series is not about the past but how people deal with the past.
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Anyone got a bead on the 3 bad guys who stole super cool robot guy? Scary Nilsson, Dr Z and....
So Hatebit is probably still around right? I see a sorta same looking guy show up in old eps.


Glad you're on twitter Mantis Eye. Not sure if the Atlantic Council is running the show over there yet.
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Yes Shrill Spector was the other in that scene. Over the moon that Jackson worked in Nilsson! Also one Fredric Mercury is in the diner flash back..
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SHRILL SPECTOR!!!! Ha!!!
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  • by Destroyo
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The robot has a switch like the evil Krusty doll. Also note the magazine's back cover ad from the the diner scene.
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This episode was filled with sheer kick-ass awesomeness from end to end. I must say though that my favorite scene was the 80's flashback with Red Death sporting a Mohawk chilling with his cohorts in the diner. I loved Stab Girl and Laugh Riot but could care less about Mr. Fahrenheit (Edit: Okay. Someone on the VB wiki pointed out he's based on Freddie Mercury, so now I like him). And we got to learn Hate-Bit's name. Too bad a few of them won't be back, unless maybe in an earlier flashback.

Anyway, the scene reminded me of my days during that same time period as a line cook at a restaurant. We'd close at midnight on Fri. and Sat. and got out about 1:00 AM. A few friends and I would meet up at a nearby diner that was open 'til 3:00 and you could order from the breakfast or dinner menu. We'd all grab a bite to eat and just hang. Except my cohorts weren't supervillains, that I know of anyway.
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I love that Red Death outfit. It's very Ghost Rider. Also, Laugh Riot's costume is clearly based on The Comedian from The Watchmen.
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Two years, seventeen days.
What?
From a stroke...good day!
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1766 miles from Newark NJ is somewhere close to Denver CO. which is 1623 miles from NJ.
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Colorado Springs specifically.
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You just wouldn't have thought that so little time has passed between season one and now. So much has happened, so much has changed. We got the first hint when Dean said the Problem light was blinking just a couple years ago, but so many trips through the old mind washer have made the boys a little Sagittarius. I had just begun to assume that Dr. O was either flat out wrong with his prediction or was actually referring to Rodney's wife, Jeannie, dying. I wonder if Doc and JP intended it this way or realized, "Oh, crap. We totally forgot about that!", after reading fan comments? Either way, I'm pulling for the big guy to make a recovery.
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It's hilarious considering the show has been around for like 14 years but Hank and Dead had their sixteenth birthday a few years back (or at least that's how old those clones were) and next episode Dean is going to college, which is something an 18 year old would do, so... yeah I guess it's only been two years? I think the entirety of season six takes place over a couple of weeks or something? Timelines are weird.

Also Orpheus could easily handwave it away by saying these things are never precise but I prefer to believe otherwise.
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Hank and Dean were home schooled so there's no guarantee that they got their GED's at 18. They could be any age just entering college.
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As of S2 E2, the clones were 16 years-old. However, their slightly singed driver's licences (laminating accident!) stated that they were 18, meaning the clone slugs were about 2 years younger than the original Hank and Dean. If 2 years, 17 days have gone by since Dr. O's prediction of The Action Man's stroke in season 1's Past Tense then the boys are about 18 now.
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TOAST!
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The major thing clarified by the episode is that Rusty's dad is/was a real d****. Loved the oops, dropping and breaking of Jonas by his crew. Couldn't have happened to a nicer (mostly) dead guy.
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I loved how Team Venture was like, "Yup. That's exactly how it happened. Uh-huh", when Doc asked if they just found his head floating in space. Especially as it was Rusty's fault.
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New Geographical Data!
Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell, I-285, I-25, and now 1766 miles from Newark.

They weren't just in Colorado, they were in the Denver area!

(Google puts a road trip via I-80 from Newark to Denver at 1769 miles!)

edit: Ron Bonham beat me to it while I was fact checking. Well done!
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Even more there's a picture of Cremation Creek in Mr. Fitzcarralo's study!
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Colorado Springs, home of NORAD
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Lots of good Dr Z callback stuff too:

When Dr.Z is recounting the genesis of Vendata, he is shown riding that drill tank thing from "What Goes Down Must Come Up" (behind an army of H.E.L.P.eR's)

"I need you to seduce Dr. Z" ref to "A Party for Tarzan"

My favorite: He mentions that some "bungler dropped dime", referring to one of his henchmen in classic Z uniform, as last seen in the "How to Spot a Blunderer" video Augustus St. Cloud was watching in "What Color is Your Cleansuit".
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I thought it might be the same henchman (Zenchman?) too, but I rewatched both scenes and Dr. Z has much less hair and looked older in the training film indicating it was made at a later time. And alas, the bungler's tunic was not untucked. That would have been hilarious had it been the same guy though.
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I actually didn't enjoy this episode as much as the last two, but my only reason for that is that it contained very few surprises. Pretty much everything we learned this episode we'd already figured out quite a while back. That said, I still loved it. The one thing that really shocked me was that Jonas was blackmailing BM...just when I thought he couldn't sink much lower, the guy goes and surprises me again.

Kudos to Jackson and Doc for sticking to their guns and not changing the Vendata reveal just to throw those of us who'd figured it out, though. George R R Martin makes a point of not changing the plans he's painstakingly foreshadowed just to shock his readers and I was worried, based on some things I'd read, that JP and DH were going to do the same regarding Vendata. As a result this episode didn't surprise me the way I would have loved it to have done but I think from an overall narrative sense they made the right decision.

Some thoughts:

1. Vendata sincerely believed the Movie Night Massacre wasn't his doing and I believe him. It looked in the diner like he planned it to get revenge on Jonas...but remember at that point he had no memory of his former existences.

2. Looks like the only Guild survivors of that mission were Red Death (because he kept his helmet on), Hate-Bit and Vendata (presumably because vacuum can't harm them) as they were the only people being given a reprieve by The Sovereign.

3. We still need to learn what caused the crash that killed BM and his wife and orphaned the Monarch. We also know nothing about young Malcolm's relationship with young Rusty (apart from 'you were never there for me'), or why Rusty doesn't seem to remember it.
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  • by ChebGhobbi
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Jonas seemed oddly unfazed by Vendata's plan to expose him. I wondee if that's because the massacre was somehow actually his own doing but it backfired, leading to Jonas's 'death'?

And was the cowboy in PROBLEM a continuity error?Rusty found it melted around the circuitry, whereas it fell out onto the floor in the flashback.
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  • by ChebGhobbi
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Oh, and what the heck was going on with that flashback to an overweight, blemished Morpho buying a suit from Enzo?
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Blue Morpho was experiencing an anaphylactic reaction to the bee-themed villain, thus the anaphylaxis variant of the suit.

No continuity error, as the flashback to the toy here precedes Rusty's discovery of it melted.
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  • by ChebGhobbi
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But it ended the flashback on the floor, whereas Rusty found it amongst the wiring back in episode 2.
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Things on floors get kicked around.
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  • by ChebGhobbi
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Of course, I saw the XL size on the door but failed to put two and two together.
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  • by ChebGhobbi
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Suit, not door. Damn predictive phone.
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Rusty may have lost more than one cowboy.
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This was my assumption. Rusty was on site of the build for many hours, the likelihood he lost many toys is high.
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Watch the beginning of Careers in Science again, Rusty had two cowboys
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  • by gnormie
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I think in Careers in science we see Rusty playing with two cowboy toys. One with a white shirt and a gun. The other with a brown shirt and a lasso.

The one with the brown shirt melted on Gargantua 1 and wasn't in the PROBLEM unit. The other one with the white shirt is the one that fell out of the problem unit that Team Venture tripped on.

Now that's continuity!
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Wasn't there an episode where some password was "Rusty is a cowboy"?
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1 month ago
Buddy System or Tears of a Seacow, S3 for sure..
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Yes! Dean trying to deactivate H.E.L.P.eR.'s audio in Tears of a Sea Cow.
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  • by Aaaanon
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And did I again see those Playa's Jonas and Blue M double dating Jill St. John and Stella Stevens?
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I think it was more like just doing them, not actually dating them. BM was married.
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  • by Captain V
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Here we go:

- Only a super run away, Dean? Jonas Sr. is already trying to pull an Ultimate Fucking Run Away... with the entire building.

- The explanation for a back-up BM suit being the XL variant had a pretty awesome backstory.

- Phone book joke is great, makes sense b/c the recently deceased Jonas Jr. would still be listed.

- The morse code joke is fucking genius. Retroactively makes so much more sense and (yet again) deepens the entire series upon rewatching.

- If your name is Jonas Venture... and you build a space station... you die on it.

- Dr. Z had sex with BM... meaning he unknowingly had sex with his own re-creation, Vendata.

- Jonas Sr. may actually be the main antagonist of the entire series, in many, many ways.
More on that later.

- Blue Morpho dies quite a bit, only to be reborn and die again, and again. Arguably, he is one of the most tragic figures in the series.

- Kano killing his former master was genius, now we know who he killed and fell silent afterwards.

- Jonas is very likely Rusty and Malcom's father. However, Malcom's mother could even be Rusty's mother, meaning they are full on brothers. We don't know what Jonas did. He could of just used his sperm to impregnate her. He may have just had sex with her. But... he could've even taken her eggs to make Rusty. Anything is possible.

- Jonas just being a head is fully explained. Of course he got dropped when frozen, so obvious now.

- PROBLEM was evidently built in case someone, mainly Jonas, had an accident while working in space on Gargantua.

- The shrink ray will always return... when you least expect it.

- Team Venture actually had morals. Especially when seeing their old friend rebuilt as a robot. Something Jonas Sr. didn't care for. As Rusty puts it, it's just the Venture way. You don't cry, you rebuild him.

- The quick shot of the Helper army was hilarious.

- Brock's entire life is a lie. Great bit of information and lore. Plus, it's always fun to see Brock taken aback.

- Jonas Sr. quickly mentions putting his brain into BM and then getting the cloning program up and running.

- I wouldn't be shocked if BM's plane crashing wasn't an accident. Jonas could be behind it. I have crazy theories on it.

- Full name reveal: Malcom Fitzcarraldo.

(part one of two)
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  • by Captain V
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- Venture Bros. always come in sets of three.
Dean / Der. / Hank. | Mal. / Rusty / J.J.

- The Monarch "double" kills both of his fathers.. since they had both died before. Fucking awesome.

- Kano killing BM could be foreshadowing Gary having to make a similar choice with Malcom... eventually. Especially, since they became the NEW BM and Kano temporarily.
History may repeat itself. We'll probably know by season... twelve... in 2031.

- Jonas built Venturion with an EVIL switch. It's just a joke. But really let the implications sink in. Just another clue Jonas Sr. is a villain... or the ultimate dickbag.

- The timeline is nuts. We know it was early October in season six b/c we see the date October 7th later on in the season. But now it's late November. Jackson said it's only been a few days total at SDCC. Only four months since the end of season five.
I'm confused. The boys have to be 19. They celebrated last Halloween at the beginning of season five.

- Speaking of timeline. HOLY FUCK. Their is sooooooo much going on in this one, soo much decade hopping, surely there are holes in the Venture timeline now.

- Dean's little speech to help Hank is a callback to the season five when Hank helped Dean with coming to terms with being a clone.

- Hank probably has ADHD, not just ADD as Dean suggests.

- Shocking Warriana (spelling) or other heroes don't show up when the building rocks around the block.

- Jonas hanging the tape over BM's head to get him to do shit favors is just... pure evil.

- Red Death could've easily saved AM by flying through the window hole. But he was busy at the dinner when AM needed him.

- AM finally has his stroke and of course Orpheus is present for it.

- Odd Billy thought it was a heart attack when AM just screamed "TOAST!" loudly.
The most well-known sign of stroke victims is smelling burnt toast.

- Who actually pulled that lever and killed Jonas Sr. the first time? BM denies it was him, Red Death was one of the other survivors. But I actually think it was Bud Manstrong as a boy or some crazy shit. Like, the paper boy on Gargantua or something.

- This won't be the last of Jonas. That heads got legs.

- The Monarch and Rusty will probably realize they are bros. in the S7 finale.

- Blue bastard! Don't ruin this for me!!!

- The Thanksgiving float accident is a reference to real life events.

- Final beat of the episode is definitely the final beat of season six proper.

Wow. My new favorite episode. Go Team... Shit is Fucked Up.

(part 2 of 2)
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Manstrong was the paperboy. Look at the name tag. He also told the boys he had been a paperboy in Careers in Science. And, yes, he is on my list of suspects. Perhaps some other boy was getting a little too friendly with a young Anna and happened to be attending movie night. Wait, it's rated R, but Jonas probably didn't care.
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  • by Captain V
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Yeah, that's what I meant. I just wrote it really confusing and shitty.
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My new crack theory is Manstrong is Scarebear/Murderbear. His "ghost story" in Careers in Science is sociopathic in hindsight. "RIGHT DOCTOR VENTURE? THE NIGHT YOUR DAD DIED??"
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In the Go Team Venture! book JP mentions Scare Bear had a scene with dialog and a happy ending for him in a previous episode, but they had to cut it, so who knows. I like 'Murder Bear' better, but it's his creation.

I had accidentally stumbled on the source material for the character while browsing the London Times website and now JP confirmed it in the book that it was indeed the source.
http://www.artnet.com/artists/mark-wallinger/sleeper-pvnaFFBhsFpFFm4whZMhmA2

Anyway, he was in the trailer so we'll be seeing him soon!
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1 month ago
'Great book'

In a 21 voice...
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1 month ago
The timeline is indeed nuts. I'm doing my damndest to make it all jive, but the damned crash of the TVC-15 is throwing everything off.
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1 month ago
As I have it figured, season 1 takes place in 2007, seasons 2-4 in 2008, season five begins at the end of 2008, and seasons 6 and 7 (so far) go through November 2009.
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  • by ChebGhobbi
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The timeline is fluid - Cleansuit takes place after Game of Thrones started to air but only a couple of years after the most recent clones were activated (as they are still under 18). However, the boys' last death took place around the time Wonderboy III died, which was in the early 2010s if memory serves (as there's a date on the memorial in Handsome Ransom - I think he lived from 1996 to 2012 but that could be wrong). Also Action Man's stroke puts the latest episode just over two years after Past Tense.

Basically, the entire stretch of the show takes place in the space of about three years at most, but every season is also set in the year it airs. The timeline for the flashbacks doesn't appear to have moved.
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All right, I present the rough draft of my reworked Venture Timeline!! I seem to have to rework it every season...

http://imgur.com/gallery/78osyCM
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1 month ago
The DOD for Jonas should be 87 not 86. And not sure if Rusty would have had Hank and Dean in 87..
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It would have had to have been while Rusty was still in college (Past Tense). 86 is as generous as I can make it.

And Hank and Dean were definitely alive during g the Pyramid Wars of 87 (The Invisible Hand of Fate).
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The date was on the screen of BM's terminator vision. Arrears in Science - 3:26. The date in the top right corner reads 04/09/1987.
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I thought that a lot of the story was a private electronic communications between BM and Jonas. So I'm not sure how much of any of the revelations we saw was shared by the people trapped in the building.
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  • by Bogus
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good/evil switch was added by dr. z

when he first "opens" venturion's head, the switch is not there
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  • by gnormie
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I know this is really perverted but I think Bud Manstrong's masturbation affliction from season 2's "Guess Who's Coming To State Dinner" is the reason everyone on Gargantua 1 was jettisoned into space.

Nothing on this show is a throw away joke (I'm half kidding)
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I thought of Manstrong pulling the lever as well. Maybe he stumbled upon that video Vendata had of Jonas & BM and had another dissociative episode like he had when Gargantua 1 crashed. Might not even remember doing it.

Follow-up: How did Vendata get that compromising video in the first place? Its not visible in the dumpster where Dr. Z found him. Maybe someone else had a bigger plan in motion...
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  • by Frank9
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He made the original recording. (Tanks For Nuthin) Jonas probably had a copy.
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  • by Destroyo
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Another running joke: All of Dr Z's drinking pals were in the music industry, further going with the Sovereign's Guild being all 70s rock stars. Also, Shrill Spector's weapon refs "the wall of sound".
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And the club they got kicked out of, Whiskey a No Go is clearly the legendary Whiskey a Go Go in West Hollywood, CA where many up and coming young talents played.
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1 month ago
Marquee has; the Germs, Blondie & the Runaways!! Also has a large Ramones post and a large billboard that is an ad for "Near Encounters of the Other Kind" & "We Are Almost Alone".
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And just down the street is a billboard for "Killer Whale" which is a take on the movie Orca, which also came out in '77. You can also see the OSI surveillance van parked next to the club and the Hale Brothers' convertible drives by in the opening shot of the flashback, but that's probably just them reusing animation models like they do with background people, which is why we see Skye all over the place.
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Damn, that way driving me nuts...so obvious now that I see the spelling.
I kept having Siouxsie and the Banshees (a Shrill Spectre is obviously a banshee to me) stuff rattling around in my head.
Now that I think about it, they seem to avoid punk and post-punk stuff somehow.
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  • by Crandom77
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They should have left the float flipping the bird, would have been appropriate.
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  • by Aaaanon
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Still confused that a throwback Rusty V float was "new" this year. Also, the underdog (or knockoff underdog) float was retired years and years ago. And, I can't believe they didn't jump on a "oh the humanity" comment when the float got away.
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In my digging, I googled "Fitzcarraldo" just to see what would come up. The first thing you get is an old East German feature film (which is esoteric enough to scratch the itch), but if you dig a little more, you'll find that The Fitzcarraldo is also the name of a ship (which was perhaps named after the film.) It's more likely a reference to the ship than the film, because look at it. It's a dead ringer for Shore Leave and Sky Pilot's boat in "The Family that Slays Together Stays Together Part 1.)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk_the_Plank_(theatre_company)
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"Boom! Yummy!"
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I'd like to give Jackson and Doc a LOT of credit for revealing / confirming / tying-up many backstory threads. Many of the long-time Venture fanboys (us) already widely believed many of the things revealed (not all) to be the case for many years (ranging between almost-confirmed and speculative-but-probable), but the casual viewer needs these underlying threads brought to the forefront to understand the world in which these characters live. Now us die-hards and casual viewers are on mostly even ground; lets pick up on other embedded subplots to speculate over.

Someone posted somewhere that they thought this had a series finale feel due to all the revelations, but I think they couldn't be more wrong. This gives the characters a chance to deal with their history as it becomes known to them; ending the series on something like this would be very anti-climatic. It's far more interesting to see how the revelations affect the characters as their stories continue to move forward in a typical Venture Bros. universe way. This gives the creators a lot of freedom to tell a lot more interesting stories of these characters and allow new story arcs (and sub-plots) to be told.

Season 7 is off to a great start! What's next? I can't wait to see!
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  • by kgullholmen
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It did feel like a finale: the one we never got for season 6. This is it. And the extra waiting time paid of big time!

This was huge. They laid out the plot quite some time ago (season 5ish?) and they followed through with it. Well done. This was an amazing hour of Venture Bros, maybe even the best, even with Brock on the sideline.
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Clearly it was the Moppetts that opened the bay doors!!
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  • by Captain V
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Or it's the tinfoil hat guy!
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Am I off base in thinking the diner in this eposode (Starstruck Diner) is a nod to the Tick Tock diner at the New Yorker Hotel in NYC?
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Oh yeah, has the same unique walls!!
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I've been going nuts trying to pin this down, and I have to say this looks the closest I've seen so far. I'd say you found the source, or it's at least partly based on this place.

To show how OCD I was I took some screengrabs from the flashback scene, and in one shot looking over Red Death's shoulder, you can see street signs on a pole outside the window on the left. The sign facing left says W 128th St. and the one on the right (perpendicular to the street they're on) says 10th St. I went on Google Earth and found the intersection. At first, I saw nothing that looked like a diner, but then noticed on one street corner was one of those fences they put up when doing construction or demolition. I went to street view and you can see that a small building had been torn down and could even see where it has been connected to the larger building next door. If there were a diner there, and you were sitting in the same booth the street signs would appear exactly as they were in the flashback.

I'm not really familiar with NYC, so I wonder what had stood there? Any straphangers out there?
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Extra easter egg: they have the disco fries (whatever they are) from "Return to Spider Skull Island"!
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1 month ago
So was it really just a "coincidence" that Team Venture was late for movie night? Just throwin' that out there.
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1 month ago
Episode four is online:
http://www.adultswim.com/videos/the-venture-bros/the-high-cost-of-loathing/

And does The Monarch arch Dr. Venture because he stole his toy truck as a child?
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1 month ago
Doc and JP are just determined to make us re-update half the Venture Bros. wiki.

Think Tank
Status: Not Dead
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  • by Captain V
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They said he was in a coma in the commentary tracks for S6.
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I guess I should start listening to those again. I stopped listening in the early seasons because they didn't really know how those worked back then and would talk about all sorts of random subjects. Also, they've been known to fib or change their minds from time to time so I personally only consider what I see on the screen to be canon.
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  • by Captain V
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The toy represents everything that was stolen from young Malcom.
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  • by Captain V
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Bonus thoughts:

- Would VHS tapes get demagnetized in space?

- As many have already suggested. Did a young Manstrong find the sex tape, put it in one of the many VHS players visible, blackout when he saw nudity, and then fall on the hanger bay lever?

- The stroke dates exactly how much time has passed since season one, as long as Orpheus got the day right. And it seems he did.

- So... the boys are definitely 18 then.

- This episode pulled in around a 0.61 in cable ratings. Keep in mind online early release. The numbers are a little low, but decent in the new digital ad revenue era.

- Look at the closely at dates... Dr. Z in 77 creating Vendata / but Venturion was created in 78 according to his HUD. What??? Maybe I'm confused?

- Wikipedia says Malcom's dad is Don. I hear the word "darling"spoken, not Don. Unless, I'm wrong and someone else says Don somewhere in the episode.

- Escalator error. They eventually come up the same one they all ran down originally, towards the end of the episode. Well, Dean didn't use that escalator... you get what I mean.

- Killer Whale billboard is a parody of Jaws.

- The toy truck represents everything stolen from Malcom. His family, his heritage, the truth, his real last name... Venture.

- The ridiculous vacuum Rusty invented returns briefly to smash a glass case.

- They should reproduce and sell the fucking shrink guy. Billions.

- Dr. Mrs. may be the one to put everything together b/c she knows the most about it from Red Death and knowing Vendata was Malcom's father, in regards to Rusty and Malcom's relationship is deeper. She also knows of the photo.

- Malcom accidentally got overdue revenge for BM by helping to kill Jonas.

- Monarch probably hates Rusty for stealing from him as kids. Thus, the toy again comes up.

- Jonas likely got Mrs. F drunk and had sex with her. Maybe BM thinks he just was a sperm donor. But Jonas actually fucked her. Anyway, he made a sex tape with Mrs. F and told her that if he couldn't deliver the baby, he'd show everyone the tape if she didn't keep quiet and comply. Anyway, she has twins. Jonas deliverys them and takes one. Boom, Malcom and Rusty are really twin brothers. Who really knows... ya know?

- Jonas then sabotaged and crashed the plane b/c Mrs. F was gonna reveal all to BM.

- Thus, the Monarch deserves to hate Rusty and the Venture name more than anyone... ever.
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  • by Captain V
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Corrections:

"the fucking shrink guy. Billions." / edit: I meant GUN not guy. Venture should sell the damn thing.

"Jonas deliverys them and" / edit: I meant to type delivers not delivery.
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Venturion was created in 1976. - "He's the Bicentennial Man!"
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  • by Captain V
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You are correct. It's definitely 1976 in the corner of his HUD.
I thought it accidentally said 1978, as in a small typo error.
But it was in fact totally my own error.
The numbers 6 and 8 are pretty similar looking. You can see how I did that.
I'll just say my eyes must be getting bad. LOL.
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  • by Captain V
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The new episode "High Cost" mainly went for the big laughs and was just trying to be a really fun excursion.

And I (we all) anticipated this would be the case after last weeks episode.

The joke with Helper at the front desk... definitely a series highlight.
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1 month ago
The Helper joke, one particular Monarch line, and the smash cut to the credits got some huge laughs from me.
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1 month ago
Episode 4 is up! Change of pace from the Morphic Trilogy obviously. IT'S A GOODUN THOUGH
http://www.adultswim.com/videos/the-venture-bros/the-high-cost-of-loathing/
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With Harvey Birdman, aka Gary Cole!
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  • by Captain V
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Biiiirrrrrrddddddddmmmmmaaaaannnnnn!!!

Ah, the SGC2C Birdman was great too.
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  • by Captain V
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I wonder if this will be the best episode of the season? Only time will tell.

Anyway, the S7 finale... I bet it'll be epic like this one was... just in a different way.
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OMG Rusty did it
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