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by notgoofingaround
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Do you guy's think Malcolm and Rusty are older version of clones made by Jonas?

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Sep. 15, 2018, 1:38pm

by notgoofingaround
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Rusty is always taking over his dad's projects and slapping his name on them....

Sep. 15, 2018, 1:39pm

by Ron Bonham
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In the scene with Venturion chocking Rusty, for me Rusty looks like he's not in his teens but according to the VB time line he should be, so long answer, yes...

Sep. 15, 2018, 1:41pm

by hardyworld
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I think Jonas's cloning system is definitely at play with at least Rusty and possibly Malcolm. In what way and to what extent is still a big question mark. The fact that the learning beds are required to update memories of the boys into the clones (using the ancient computers seen in Powerless in the Face of Death), the learning bed was used by Rusty his entire childhood, Rusty is mentioned as a clone by H.E.L.P.eR. 2.0, etc. makes it 100% confirmed concerning Rusty. But, like the boys, I believe Rusty to be a clone of himself (with some genetic engineering thrown in), not of Jonas or someone else.

Sep. 15, 2018, 5:03pm

by JDalek
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I just realized something watching Arrears in Science again which may have already been covered but....when Venturion sees Rusty and Malcolm at play in 1977 and starts choking Rusty, he flashes BACK to the plane crash which orphaned Malcolm/The Monarch in 1976. Which means the Malcolm playing with Rusty is definitely a clone and would explain why the Monarch has no recollection of ever playing with Rusty when he sees the photograph.

Sep. 15, 2018, 6:17pm

by JDalek
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Actually I just double checked the Monarch's photograph and while they are wearing the same clothes in 1977 as in the photo, the photo has what I am assuming are the Monarch's parents laughing with Jonas so it must be from the previous year. The fact the Monarch doesn't remember it is still suspicious though.

Sep. 15, 2018, 10:59pm

by beb
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I think the only unanswered question is whether Rusty and Monarch are both clones of Jonas or whether the Monarch is the natural son of Jonas and Rusty is a clone of the Monarch.

I favor the former. Jonas, we gather has had sex with lots of woman, You would expect in that situation that he would have had lot of illegitimate children. Lots of super-geniuses. Unless the enture Guild is Jonas's extended family it looks like Jonas was shooting blanks. So the only way Jonas could guarantee Blue Morpho a child is if he cloned himself. And remember Ben examined Dean for two features, a tendency for one fetus to eat another fetus, and weird hair growth around the eyes. This last indicates that Ben and hence Jonas, know about these side effects from experience. And that indicates that Rusty and Monarch were both clones.

Sep. 16, 2018, 4:55pm

by The Blue Morpho
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Itâ€™s implied that Tara Quymn is Jonasâ€™s illegitimate daughter.

Sep. 17, 2018, 6:07pm

by Captain V
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It's definitely implied that Rusty almost fucked his own half-sister.

Plus, they look so much alike it seems obvious. But we don't really know for sure.

Jonas was all about being a biological father to other peoples kids.

Isn't that right.... Blue Morpho?!?!?!?? Dun Dun Duuunnnnn!!! If it really is you!

Sep. 18, 2018, 12:22am

by EJ
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I think the Monarch is Jonas' natural son and Doc is a clone of Jonas. Assume that Jonas went through a few Rusty clones (which would make sense of the timeline that gets jacked up as the show gets more compressed but they still incorporate real world events). In every other iteration, the JJ fetus consumed Doc and was born as a Jonas clone. But something went wrong once, and they got a dud Rusty. That's why Doc doesn't look much like Jonas - the genetic material that became him was just there for the good clone to feed off of.

Sep. 20, 2018, 8:07pm

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