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I don't expect agreement about this, but I hated that episode. I found it to be the one real disappointment in an almost flawless season. I know I'm inviting hateful responses, but here were my problems with it:
First, I love Shallow Gravy and would have loved another half-hour about Hank's and Dermott's delusions of grandeur. Instead, we get a farce about Hank and Dermott teaming up with Gary to spring the voice of Ted out of an asylum. As if even those jackasses couldn't come up with a better way to calm Doc about Ted's disappearance.
Second, I know Doc is often clueless, but his behavior in this episode strained credulity beyond its breaking point. The stuff about Grumpy Bandersnatch and By-Golly Gulch and whatnot--it was just too ridiculous. Doc isn't the world's greatest super-scientist, obviously, but he's smart enough to clone copies of his sons and bring dead henchmen and congresswomen back to life. He's not mentally handicapped.
And finally, the resolution was just insane. Hatred crashes his jeep in a gulch that just happens to be a few feet from the asylum to which Dean and Gary have been committed; things in a riot from which Hank, Dean, and Gary just walk away; etc. I know Doc Hammer rarely wraps things up in a neat package, but I thought the ending here was just plain lazy.
Anyway, there were things that I liked about the episode (e.g., Orpheus, who should be utilized more, in my opinion), but overall, I didn't care for it.
First, I love Shallow Gravy and would have loved another half-hour about Hank's and Dermott's delusions of grandeur. Instead, we get a farce about Hank and Dermott teaming up with Gary to spring the voice of Ted out of an asylum. As if even those jackasses couldn't come up with a better way to calm Doc about Ted's disappearance.
Second, I know Doc is often clueless, but his behavior in this episode strained credulity beyond its breaking point. The stuff about Grumpy Bandersnatch and By-Golly Gulch and whatnot--it was just too ridiculous. Doc isn't the world's greatest super-scientist, obviously, but he's smart enough to clone copies of his sons and bring dead henchmen and congresswomen back to life. He's not mentally handicapped.
And finally, the resolution was just insane. Hatred crashes his jeep in a gulch that just happens to be a few feet from the asylum to which Dean and Gary have been committed; things in a riot from which Hank, Dean, and Gary just walk away; etc. I know Doc Hammer rarely wraps things up in a neat package, but I thought the ending here was just plain lazy.
Anyway, there were things that I liked about the episode (e.g., Orpheus, who should be utilized more, in my opinion), but overall, I didn't care for it.
- by beb off-site
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Actually I agree with you, except I've found this to be a troubled and troubling season where Jackson and Hammer seem to be rewriting the Venture-mythos and usually for the worse.
Myra as the boy's mother made a lot of sense when first introduced - prior bodyguard, gets a little too close, has babies and goes insane (possible from when Doc presents her with live copies of her death-prone babies). Now Myra's out and there's some other woman (besides Nikki) whom Doc had sex with. Or did he clone the boys from his own DNA and never involved a mother? No, he had a story about their mother that he didn't get around to telling. In any case it's beginning to look as if Doc had had a lot of sex in his mid-20s even though he goes on (and on) about how little sex he's had in his life. It's a total cock-up.
On the other hand, if she knows that Hank and Dean are clones of her original babies then technically she never gave birth to this Dean and her statements in this episode are true if misleading.
Then, of course Dermott had to have known that Docwas his father all along. When he was introduced in the Buddy System he was taken to the Day Camp specifically to meet his father and afterward was asked what he thought of him. That only makes sense if Dermott know which adult at the camp was his father. Now Dermott does says "Are you sure he's my father." And in Dermott's subsequent appearances he acts like a guy who bonded with Hank and doesn't know anything about being Hank's half-brother. But he had to have known.
And while the Teddy Ruxpin gag was cute in "Every which way but Zeus" it really didn't deserve a callback.
Myra as the boy's mother made a lot of sense when first introduced - prior bodyguard, gets a little too close, has babies and goes insane (possible from when Doc presents her with live copies of her death-prone babies). Now Myra's out and there's some other woman (besides Nikki) whom Doc had sex with. Or did he clone the boys from his own DNA and never involved a mother? No, he had a story about their mother that he didn't get around to telling. In any case it's beginning to look as if Doc had had a lot of sex in his mid-20s even though he goes on (and on) about how little sex he's had in his life. It's a total cock-up.
On the other hand, if she knows that Hank and Dean are clones of her original babies then technically she never gave birth to this Dean and her statements in this episode are true if misleading.
Then, of course Dermott had to have known that Docwas his father all along. When he was introduced in the Buddy System he was taken to the Day Camp specifically to meet his father and afterward was asked what he thought of him. That only makes sense if Dermott know which adult at the camp was his father. Now Dermott does says "Are you sure he's my father." And in Dermott's subsequent appearances he acts like a guy who bonded with Hank and doesn't know anything about being Hank's half-brother. But he had to have known.
And while the Teddy Ruxpin gag was cute in "Every which way but Zeus" it really didn't deserve a callback.
- by policegirl01
"[I]t's beginning to look as if Doc had had a lot of sex in his mid-20s even though he goes on (and on) about how little sex he's had in his life."
This wasn't one of my initial problems with the episode, but it's more bothersome the more I think about it. In "Assisted Suicide," we meet The Rusty's id, who hangs out next to a rotating bed containing all of Doc's conquests. And by "conquests," I mean any woman who's ever given Doc the time of day: Tara Quymn, Sally Impossible, Dr. Girlfriend, Myra, the pornstar from "Cupcakes" magazine, Lindsey Wagner . . . . That may be the full list. In any event, the implication is that Doc is VERY sexually inexperienced. Maybe Jackson and Doc can ret-con their way out of this, but it's going to be difficult.
This wasn't one of my initial problems with the episode, but it's more bothersome the more I think about it. In "Assisted Suicide," we meet The Rusty's id, who hangs out next to a rotating bed containing all of Doc's conquests. And by "conquests," I mean any woman who's ever given Doc the time of day: Tara Quymn, Sally Impossible, Dr. Girlfriend, Myra, the pornstar from "Cupcakes" magazine, Lindsey Wagner . . . . That may be the full list. In any event, the implication is that Doc is VERY sexually inexperienced. Maybe Jackson and Doc can ret-con their way out of this, but it's going to be difficult.
- by bfunk
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It's still entirely possible the boys have been clones from the start. All we really have to go on about the boys having a mother that Doc had real life sex with is that "I never told you about her..." line. For all we know he had someone donate eggs and used those to "make" the boys without ever having sex. Knowing Doc it could've started out as a cloning experiment that he couldn't sell once Congress banned the research.
As for Doc being so ridiculously naive...you're not wrong, but then again, as Doc sort of alludes to at one point in the episode, he's seen some weird shit. It's pretty difficult to create an implausible situation for a guy who spent his entire life being chased by dinosaurs, mummies, lunatics in butterfly suits, etc.
As for Doc being so ridiculously naive...you're not wrong, but then again, as Doc sort of alludes to at one point in the episode, he's seen some weird shit. It's pretty difficult to create an implausible situation for a guy who spent his entire life being chased by dinosaurs, mummies, lunatics in butterfly suits, etc.
- by Ghobbi
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It's never said that the women in Rusty's Invisible Harem are *all* of Doc's conquests (or rather all the women who've given him the time of day, as you say). It could just be that those are the women who are on his mind. Aside from Lindsay Wagner he's met all of the others in the last few years of his life.
Yeah, I guess that's true. If it were all of Doc's conquests, then Nikki would be included. Still, we're meant to understand that Doc is sexually inexperienced, so the list of potential mothers of the boys can't be that long. My guess--based on nothing more than a gut feeling--is that we've already been introduced to the mother at some point.
- by Ghobbi
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Agreed, although I at least laughed at this one, whereas I thought S.P.H.I.N.X. Rising wasn't funny at all after the acid magnet joke. Both episodes contained gaping plot holes (how had Myra managed to start a cult among the inmates with herself at the centre? If Dr. Mrs. The Monarch knew that Hatred had found the explosives under the compound, why did they still try to activate them?). Also I'm pretty sure Orpheus should know about Dermott being Doc's son, but I'll probably have to watch Everybody Comes to Hank's again to be sure.
- by Ghobbi
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I suppose it's acceptable that Orpheus didn't know the key he and Al used in their spell at the end of ECtH had come from Dermott, but I do find that fairly far-fetched. I can live with the idea that Al didn't tell him the whole story though; it seemed that he didn't want to know it himself. But then at the end of the episode it's clear that Brock and ShoreLeave know the full story too...
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"how had Myra managed to start a cult among the inmates with herself at the centre?"
If you go to a loony bin, some of the folks in there are pretty malleable. If you are having sex in the restroom 2xs a day with all of them you might end up a cult figure (or if you have a great speaking voice, touch the arm while talking, making eye contact promising treats with a recruiter cooter).
If you go to a loony bin, some of the folks in there are pretty malleable. If you are having sex in the restroom 2xs a day with all of them you might end up a cult figure (or if you have a great speaking voice, touch the arm while talking, making eye contact promising treats with a recruiter cooter).
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