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  • by Jory
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Wow, well. I'm not sure I dig the Blackhearts turning into giant mutant Zorak-monsters, but otherwise. Wowie Zowie.
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Nov. 22, 2010, 12:27am
  • by Jory
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Yeah, I loved the 'sode to death, but I have to admit that this episode went from the series' usual "eerily sausage-fest" to "uncomfortably misogynist". I love J&D but Venture has never exactly been the best about sex, gender, or race...
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Nov. 22, 2010, 2:14am
  • by beb
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Yeah.
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Nov. 22, 2010, 8:26am
  • by Roscoe
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I'm sorry, you're complaining because a cartoon had a bunch of drawings of women who turned all Seth Brundle?
It didn't really happen, these aren't real people.....they're not even real actors, they're DRAWINGS on your TV!
-Come on people, I love Venture to death, but step back and take a breath.
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Nov. 22, 2010, 7:06pm
  • by Jory
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I'm not 'complaining'. The Blackhearts being given date-rape drugs that turned them into monsters which were then presumably slaughtered is very bad. In spite of her chosen fetish, the look of fear on Princess Tinyfeet's face was unnerving. In spite of my understanding of the show's production, the way almost every female character was seen but not heard was very, very distressing.

(I still dig Mol, though. And I'd contend that the Blackhearts went more Martin Brundle than they did Seth, anyway.)

There is never a one-hundred-percent good reason not to critically assess media we consume, especially when it's media that constantly strives to elevate itself the way The Venture Bros does. I'm sure that Jackson and Doc themselves, regardless of the way they'd feel about my opinions, would resent dismissal of them based on the fact that VB is "just a cartoon".
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Nov. 23, 2010, 2:47am
  • by James(MonkeyMan)
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You are complaining, and those women if they were not the Blackhearts were disease carrying whores who could have infected all those very important characters we know and love. So lighten the fuck up you weirdo.
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Nov. 23, 2010, 4:37am
  • by Heads or......
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HAHAHAHA The look of fear on a completely silent CARTOON characters face was unnerving? You are a distinctly unusual person.
-Wait, Hatred raped small boys, why is THAT not unnerving to your weak cartoon sensability?
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Nov. 23, 2010, 7:26pm
  • by Jory
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Y'all hatin'
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Nov. 23, 2010, 7:33pm
  • by Jory
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on the disenfranchised; just to clarify.

Also-- Hatred (probably) raping small boys IS unnerving, guy, and his entire character arc is about how he's a sick person for it and trying to get better.
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Nov. 23, 2010, 7:51pm
  • by Dylan
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I' m with you, Jory.
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Nov. 29, 2010, 10:20pm
  • by Dylan
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I should probably elaborate, since I'm apparently the only one on your side. "Lighten up, it's just a ______!" is always bullroar. Yes, we know these aren't real people. But it was written by real people, and they decided it wouldn't be at all problematic to drug and slaughter a room of ladies.That's the distressing part. Especially coming from writers that I generally love.

This is what Doc & Jackson get for name dropping Andrea Dworkin and waking up all the feminists.
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Nov. 29, 2010, 10:49pm
  • by Bronski
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Murderers. They drugged and (presumably) slaughtered a room of professional killers who were going to murder them. How is that any worse than when the victims are bumbling henchMEN and the murder weapon is a Dodge Charger?
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Nov. 29, 2010, 11:11pm
  • by Mogo
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I don't know what's going on but it looks like we did it! 400+ comments
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Nov. 29, 2010, 11:15pm
  • by Dylan
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The henchmen weren't drugged so dudes could fuck them. Maybe they were? That'd be bad.
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Nov. 29, 2010, 11:34pm
  • by Xoinx
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They weren't Blackhearts; Mol lied to get back at Brock for calling her bad names.
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Dec. 8, 2010, 4:00am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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It's my understanding, based on what Rick Lacy and Jackson said, that they really were.
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Dec. 8, 2010, 3:23pm
  • by Xoinx
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Hmm...well, that would make Brock's slaying of the flywomen a bit more palatable. I still don't like Mol's do-you-want-to-live line, though.
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Dec. 10, 2010, 3:19pm
  • by Pecktacular
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Um...slaughtering them was never in Doc's plan, he was just as shocked as everyone else when they spit acid and turned in giant flies. And the argument for Doc having done things that are worse or at least equally as bad before stands, if you were going to say something regarding Doc's shaky character you're a couple seasons late. Not that it makes rape/ruffies right, but that sort of thing isn't exactly unexpected from Doc in this series. On the other hand the fact that the women were assassin doesn't really matter since Doc didn't know this and his motivation wasn't based on a kill of be killed philosophy.
Also, on a semi-separate note Doc has a point about spanish fly not being a ruffie. All of the women were conscious and presumably knew what they were doing. No one was passed out about to have amnesia in the morning. They way he described (though in more descriptive terms) it just made them horny. All that being true I'm pretty sure it's still wrong to slip something in someone else's drink so you can get laid.
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Nov. 29, 2010, 11:55pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Just as bad as wearing cologne or something like that. It's all about pheremones.

Plus, it's definitely in Rusty's character to pull something like this. I mean, the guy used Take Back The Night to pick up chicks so a little 'chemical enhancement' is perfectly acceptable by his standards. Also, it's funny and this is ultimately a comedy show.
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Nov. 30, 2010, 12:57pm
  • by Pecktacular
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couldn't agree more.
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Nov. 30, 2010, 10:17pm
  • by Little Half Man
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I loved that!! But, i feel like this episode tied up A LOT of loose ends... Honestly, with everything that happened... I'm.... not entirely hopeful for a season 5...
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Nov. 22, 2010, 6:08am
  • by Hardy
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That's how I felt after watching it. It seemed to be set up so that the series _could_ end here.
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Nov. 22, 2010, 9:28am
  • by Pecktacular
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Agreed, it made the episode better though. Had they already inked a deal for a 5th season it would have made the scene with Brock racing back to the rescue much less intense.
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Nov. 22, 2010, 11:20pm
  • by beb
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Since all the whores, I mean escorts were assassins charged with killing everyone at the Venture Compound it was only ironic that they were thwarted by Rusty in one of his misguided stabs at super-science.
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Nov. 22, 2010, 8:25am
  • by Mogo
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Yeah, of course it ended up resulting in fly people but hey brock was there at that point.
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Nov. 22, 2010, 10:08am
  • by Sid
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Except that the episode says it will be back during the credits AND Venture Bros is a huge cash cow for Adult Swim.
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Nov. 22, 2010, 10:30am
  • by Xoinx
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I guess I'm the only one who thinks that Mol lied about the whores being Blackhearts so that a) Brock wouldn't have time to save her and b) he'd feel bad about chewing her out and letting her die.
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Dec. 8, 2010, 4:04am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I think both those things could be true even if she wasn't lying.
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Dec. 8, 2010, 3:26pm

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