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  • by James Mandible
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Upon rewatching, I just noticed that one of the Councilmen is TOTALLY Dr. Z!
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Sep. 20, 2010, 1:56am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I saw that too, but I thought, "Nah. Couldn't be." Probably just reusing a character model. I think Doc and Jackson even admitted most of the Council is made up of previous character models in the Shadowman 9 commentary.
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Sep. 20, 2010, 2:20am
  • by Sid
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Somehow I knew Dr. Z was on of them. And also, it was Zs voice. Not just reused. One of them was also in the video that Orpheus was sent to get a arch.
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Sep. 20, 2010, 3:51am
  • by Doctor X
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Great, I read you post AFTER the rebroadcast so I cannot check!

Awesome call backs on Roy Brisby and Unterbite!

Now, maybe the useless Rookie is Henchman Number One? Maybe he survived?!!11!

Okay, probably not.
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Sep. 20, 2010, 7:53am
  • by Hank
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Maybe he was...Pete White? Probably not, but I read some people say he was.
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Sep. 20, 2010, 6:24pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Looking at it now, my best guesses are Manic 8-Ball or the Pirate Captain.
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Sep. 20, 2010, 10:03pm
  • by Sid
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I like the idea of Manic 8-ball. Pirate captain... I doubt it. Rookie had similar movements to M8B...

Just decided I read too much into things. Jackson probably thinks I'm an idiot right now.
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Sep. 21, 2010, 1:10am
  • by Meat Lily
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The "Rookie" is nobody. It's my belief that we'll never see or hear about him again. He was a punch line and that's it. There is no secret to him. You're all just thinking in wishes.
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Sep. 21, 2010, 3:47am
  • by Sid
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But I like wishing. I reminds me of being in Kindergarten...
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Sep. 21, 2010, 4:12am
  • by Sid
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Also, why keep his face concealed??? Every other SPHINX lowlife has no full face mask...
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Sep. 21, 2010, 5:12am
  • by Donkiku
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I used to wish for a Hot air balloon when I was in kindergarten.
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Sep. 21, 2010, 10:21am
  • by Jory
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A lot of VB fans waste their time speculating about things that you're obviously not supposed to speculate about: 24's death, the fight with Monstroso, the origins of the boys' DNA, etc.

They spent a lot of screen time and a number of lines in the script alluding to the rookie's identity while still keeping it ambiguous. There doesn't seem to be an actual joke for that to be the "punch line" to. I'm not losing sleep over it or even bothering to venture a guess as to the rookie's identity, but it seemed too intentional to be totally throwaway.
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Sep. 22, 2010, 11:32am
  • by Hayes
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No matter how hard I try not to notice I think one of the councilmen looks like Bugs Bunny wearing a hat with a feather or something like that. But that's probably just me.
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Sep. 20, 2010, 10:51am
  • by Ron Bonham
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That would be Wild Fop from that GCI training video from Fallen Arches.
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Sep. 21, 2010, 2:06am
  • by Sid
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Good call, the green dude with gills is also one of the 13 I believe... that could be the massive amount of wine talking though...
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Sep. 21, 2010, 4:13am
  • by Ron Bonham
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Wish they would revel his name; he is the "so you only hunt African-American vampires then?" from Fallen Arches. And how about the spanish looking guy w/the flat hat, he is on the Council as well. Guessing his name; the Spaniard?!?
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Sep. 21, 2010, 1:10pm
  • by Sid
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For the first guy, we are talking about different dudes. The second guys name is Wilde Fop/Flop I forget.
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Sep. 21, 2010, 11:02pm
  • by Ron Bonham
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Different guy, look for the reeeeaaallly flat hat and no hair of feather in his cap; he's shown in Fallen Arches and Shadowman as a background character, looks like a matador or something.
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Sep. 23, 2010, 1:43pm
  • by Pyroth
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That was totally Dr. Z. There's no argument there. It sounded like him and it was his silhouette. They were talking about needed a replacement. Who better than the legendary Dr. Z?
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Sep. 20, 2010, 11:02am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Yeah but he's the one who pointed out that Councilman 8's screen was empty so he can't be the replacement. It might be Dr. Z but what about the 'wife' and Ro-Boy?
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Sep. 20, 2010, 3:31pm
  • by Jory
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Yeah, it definitely sounded like Z but didn't look like his silhouette to me for the four seconds he was onscreen. And "H" is right--I'm pretty sure Dr. Z was dedicated to his beard Mrs. Z.
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Sep. 20, 2010, 3:44pm
  • by Jory
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Oh, just watched it again. It kinda totally was Dr. Z. Weird.
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Sep. 20, 2010, 5:08pm
  • by lol
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What about them? You can still have a family and be in the Guild
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Dec. 26, 2012, 1:56pm
  • by Chris98vf
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I watched the preview for next week and this is what I can figure on the council of 13...
There's a scene where there are 11 people at a round table,12 if you count the 2 heads, assuming they are the council of 13. This is where it gets very speculative...
The 13th I believe is kidnapped along with 21 and the rest of the gladiators because when 21 is thrown back into the stall all bloody he is thrown in with an old man as well that would fit the build of the council of 13.
Now in all of this I do not see anyone that resembles Dr. Z. Perhaps they go out of their way to hide their identities and dress in a manor that would obscure their silhouettes and make them look/sound like well known villains.

That's my $0.02
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Sep. 20, 2010, 8:36pm
  • by Chris98vf
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Ah never mind, it's nowhere near the full council, just went a few frames ahead and two of them are Brock and Hunter...
I should wait for the end of the clip before posting
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Sep. 20, 2010, 8:40pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Well, and the guy with 21 is Desmond.
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Sep. 20, 2010, 10:06pm
  • by Sid
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Desmond....? Hume? Please say Desmond Hume.
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Sep. 21, 2010, 1:11am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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No, I mean Desmond, Captain Sunshine's faithful butler, from Handsome Ransom.
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Sep. 21, 2010, 1:18am
  • by Sid
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Dammit. I wish you meant Desmond Hume. Anyway, I hope Cap Sunshine isn't in this next episode. I hated him. And there was no word on Kevin Conroy involved in this season.
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Sep. 21, 2010, 1:37am
  • by Sid
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*Half of the season
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Sep. 21, 2010, 1:37am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I liked him but his on-screen potential is all used up. He still works as a reference but Handsome Ransom covered him as a character pretty well.
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Sep. 21, 2010, 1:49am
  • by Meat Lily
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Sure, but i would love, LOVE to see him in action with his team. Especially Barbie-Q; she was sexy.
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Sep. 21, 2010, 3:51am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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That she was. Well, Ghost Robot returns this week. Granted ...
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Sep. 21, 2010, 4:03am
  • by Sid
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As soon as cartoon girls become sexy... I get uninvolved.
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Sep. 21, 2010, 5:13am
  • by Meat Lily
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Mysterious H, we can hang out. Sid, you're in denial. Every true fan boy of this show has a not so secret crush on Dr. Sheila Girlfriend. Come to terms.
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Sep. 22, 2010, 3:29am
  • by sid
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Admit it, you're in love with Girl Hitler aren't you! Also, Dr Girlfriend? If I have to pick a Venture crush then I'm going with Limbs Queen (did she have a name as that). And dont tell me there is a difference because there SO is.
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Sep. 22, 2010, 3:39pm
  • by sid
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Admit it, you're in love with Girl Hitler aren't you! Also, Dr Girlfriend? If I have to pick a Venture crush then I'm going with Limbs Queen (did she have a name as that). And dont tell me there is a difference because there SO is.
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Sep. 22, 2010, 3:39pm
  • by sid
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sorry typing on my phone.... i meant "is not a diference"
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Sep. 22, 2010, 3:41pm

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