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- by Pvt. Schwa
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Wow... this was an amazing episode! JP and Doc are obviously brewing something big for the finale - Jonas Sr.'s death, the founding of the guild, and so on. And biggest of all, it seems like Dr. Venture is finally turning into a real protagonist.
Aside from all the buildup, this was a well-crafted and enjoyable episode. Lots of good Venture Bros moments, proof that Brock still has it, and of course it's always good to see Pete, Billy and the Triad. I almost died laughing at the "they TP'd your corporeal form" line.
Aside from all the buildup, this was a well-crafted and enjoyable episode. Lots of good Venture Bros moments, proof that Brock still has it, and of course it's always good to see Pete, Billy and the Triad. I almost died laughing at the "they TP'd your corporeal form" line.
- by green lantren mogo
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I agree. This episode was awesome. rusty was likable, the boys t.p.ing orpheus's corporeale form was hilarious and colonel gathers was creepy. But yeah here's a list of unsolved plot points tha thave not yet been revisited.
1.the monarch's free raid on the venture compound.
2.what the ORB does.
3.Who's behind the ORB conspiracy.
4.The moppets plan from "home is where the hate is"
5.Phantom limbs current state.
6.The captains job distatifaction
7.the captains addiction to tranquilizer darts
8.The fate of sally's brother cody.
9.trianna's friend kim becoming a super villan(Victor, echo, november)
10.Dermiott being brock's son.
11.The monarch's obseison with dr.venture.
12.sgt.hatred arching dr.venture
14.Billy and petes quest for an arch.
15.Hank thinkning he's immortal.
This is all I could come up with but anyone of these 15 plot points(or at least 5 or 6 of them)
1.the monarch's free raid on the venture compound.
2.what the ORB does.
3.Who's behind the ORB conspiracy.
4.The moppets plan from "home is where the hate is"
5.Phantom limbs current state.
6.The captains job distatifaction
7.the captains addiction to tranquilizer darts
8.The fate of sally's brother cody.
9.trianna's friend kim becoming a super villan(Victor, echo, november)
10.Dermiott being brock's son.
11.The monarch's obseison with dr.venture.
12.sgt.hatred arching dr.venture
14.Billy and petes quest for an arch.
15.Hank thinkning he's immortal.
This is all I could come up with but anyone of these 15 plot points(or at least 5 or 6 of them)
- by Pvt. Schwa
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Don't forget...
16. How Jonas Sr. died
17. Whether Sgt. Haines, who assigned Brock to Operation Rusty's Blanket, is Sgt. Hatred
18. If yes, how did Haines become Hatred?
19. How the Guild was founded in its current inception
20. Who is the OSI's analogue of the Sovereign?
21. Whether Myra is really the boys' mother.
22. What happened to Rusty's mother
23. Triana warming to Dean's advances
16. How Jonas Sr. died
17. Whether Sgt. Haines, who assigned Brock to Operation Rusty's Blanket, is Sgt. Hatred
18. If yes, how did Haines become Hatred?
19. How the Guild was founded in its current inception
20. Who is the OSI's analogue of the Sovereign?
21. Whether Myra is really the boys' mother.
22. What happened to Rusty's mother
23. Triana warming to Dean's advances
- by green lantren mogo
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dude, thanks I totally forgot those but myra was pretty much proven by the invisible hand of fate but I hope they tackle 23 cause I really like that plot point and 22. brought up a good one and one neither of us thought of
24.the identity of rusty's mother
25.the identity of dermotts mother
24.the identity of rusty's mother
25.the identity of dermotts mother
- by Jory
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In keeping with the whole "Venture Bros. is for clever people" notion, I think Jackson and Doc intended for us to immediately infer that Sgt. Haine is Sgt. Hatred, because of the similarity in appearance, voice, character, Guild membership, NAME... I don't think they need to tell us, point-blank, "Sergeant Haine is Sergeant Hatred."
- by Pvt. Schwa
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I agree, I think it's pretty obvious. What I really meant to say is that it's been shown to us that Sgt. Hatred was once Brock's superior in the OSI, and now he's a Guild-certified villain. He seemed sort of evil when he assigned Brock to Rusty's Blanket, but we now know that that mission wasn't (only) a punishment. Was he working with the Guild then? Did he know about ORB? etc...
- by Mike
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#1 was resolved in that episode. The Monarch tricked Dean into not telling his father and Dermott was bribed into keeping his mouth shut. 21 thought he was killing Hank but of course he only tranqed him so that's one loose end but we can assume Hank was so engrossed with his own immortality that he forgot or Dermott and Dean may have convinced him to keep quiet.
#7 I don't know if it's worth worrying about I feel like that was just a goofy subplot, though with this show you can certainly never tell when a seemingly throwaway character will suddenly become major (and the Pirate Captain has certainly appeared more than I ever thought it would at this point).
#8 is simple, Cody is probably on Spider-Skull Island but in that glass chamber since he can't be exposed to an oxygen-rich environment. He's kind of a difficult character to keep around anyway because all he does is sleep or scream in horrible pain.
#9 the writers have said don't hold your breath. Kim is not a major character. Doc Hammer said everyone only actually cares because she's hot.
the rest are legitimate however!
#7 I don't know if it's worth worrying about I feel like that was just a goofy subplot, though with this show you can certainly never tell when a seemingly throwaway character will suddenly become major (and the Pirate Captain has certainly appeared more than I ever thought it would at this point).
#8 is simple, Cody is probably on Spider-Skull Island but in that glass chamber since he can't be exposed to an oxygen-rich environment. He's kind of a difficult character to keep around anyway because all he does is sleep or scream in horrible pain.
#9 the writers have said don't hold your breath. Kim is not a major character. Doc Hammer said everyone only actually cares because she's hot.
the rest are legitimate however!
- by Creepy Crooner
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It seems obvious that a handful of these plot points will be addressed in the finale. There are some things that will probably be explored/resolved in season 4 (since they're already writing the new season, it's possible that they inserted plot points with that preconceived notion). Clearly some of the plot points were just throw-away jokes and the like.
1.the monarch's free raid on the venture compound.
Seems clear that this will factor greatly into the season finale.
2.what the ORB does.
Due to all the information that has been dumped upon us in last week's episode, it seems like the orb will factor into the finale, but i could also see this as an introduction to a main plotline of season 4. Tough call.
3.Who's behind the ORB conspiracy.
What conspiracy? It seems that OSI is the party concerned with keeping the orb deactivated. How this factors in to the plot or the season finale beats me (see #2)
4.The moppets plan from "home is where the hate is"
I think this may also come up in the finale, since the Monarch and Sheila will undoubtedly be heavily involved. If it doesn't I suppose we can write it off as just more Moppet character development or possibly a continuing mystery for season 4.
5.Phantom limbs current state.
I could really see this going either way. The Phantom's appearance at the end of Shadowman 9 lead me to believe we'd be seeing more of him throughout the season. Once again I think it's fairly likely he will show up in the finale (especially with his grandfather being involved in the old school guild) but would not be surprised if they saved him for next season.
6.The captains job distatifaction
Although they have spent a couple of episodes exploring the Captain's jaded outlook (and his inability to escape his pirate past), I don't see this being an important plot point. I see it more as developing a minor character - giving him a little more depth, and proving that JJ's team is just as dysfunctional as Rusty's. Not something they're gonna "wrap up".
7.the captains addiction to tranquilizer darts
See above. I saw this as less of a plot point and more of a joke. It only seems natural that someone would become addicted to tranq darts, what with their liberal use in the Venture world.
8.The fate of sally's brother cody.
Cody is the definition of a one-joke character. Despite Jackson and Doc's knack for making seemingly one-off characters into fully-realized people, I don't expect to see Cody again.
9.trianna's friend kim becoming a super villan(Victor, echo, november)
I don't think we'll ever see this plot realized, no matter how hot Kim is and how much everybody wants to see it happen. Do we really need another side plot featuring a peripheral character? Of course we don't. If this list proves anything it's that MORE subplots are not needed at this point.
10.Dermiott being brock's son.
Clearly this is a huge one. I'm almost positive that Dermott will be back at some point in the finale, although I wouldn't be at all surprised if they kept the mystery going into next season, kind of like the whole Marla deal.
11.The monarch's obseison with dr.venture.
Clearly this goes hand in hand with #1. I'm sure it won't be totally resolved but it will obviously factor in.
12.sgt.hatred arching dr.venture
I have a feeling that Hatred will also show up in the finale. The Monarch moving in on his arch will surely cause more drama between the two villains.
14.Billy and petes quest for an arch.
This really hasn't been mentioned since early in season 2 (20 years to midnight). More than anything, it was just a good joke for the characters before they became more well-realized. Plus they already worked that angle with Orpheus and the order of the triad.
15.Hank thinkning he's immortal.
Another fact that may or may not factor in to the finale, but is less of a plot point and more of a joke/set-up for jokes involving cloning and such.
16. How Jonas Sr. died
I can't decide whether this is a giant red herring type thing or if it's really going to matter. The mystery of Jonas' death has been mentioned numerous times but never as if it was particularly important. The fact that it may have had something to do with the ORB is intriguing but I'm still not sure how it's all gonna factor in to the finale.
17. Whether Sgt. Haines, who assigned Brock to Operation Rusty's Blanket, is Sgt. Hatred
I think this was fairly obvious. The more interesting question is whether or not there was particular motivation for his assigning Brock to O.R.B. If those stories are indeed related, we may get more of this. If not, it was probably just a cool character reference.
18. If yes, how did Haines become Hatred?
Does it matter? Maybe. But I doubt it.
19. How the Guild was founded in its current inception
Clearly this is a big plot point. Like I keep saying, it remains to be seen whether this story will come to fruition by season's end
1.the monarch's free raid on the venture compound.
Seems clear that this will factor greatly into the season finale.
2.what the ORB does.
Due to all the information that has been dumped upon us in last week's episode, it seems like the orb will factor into the finale, but i could also see this as an introduction to a main plotline of season 4. Tough call.
3.Who's behind the ORB conspiracy.
What conspiracy? It seems that OSI is the party concerned with keeping the orb deactivated. How this factors in to the plot or the season finale beats me (see #2)
4.The moppets plan from "home is where the hate is"
I think this may also come up in the finale, since the Monarch and Sheila will undoubtedly be heavily involved. If it doesn't I suppose we can write it off as just more Moppet character development or possibly a continuing mystery for season 4.
5.Phantom limbs current state.
I could really see this going either way. The Phantom's appearance at the end of Shadowman 9 lead me to believe we'd be seeing more of him throughout the season. Once again I think it's fairly likely he will show up in the finale (especially with his grandfather being involved in the old school guild) but would not be surprised if they saved him for next season.
6.The captains job distatifaction
Although they have spent a couple of episodes exploring the Captain's jaded outlook (and his inability to escape his pirate past), I don't see this being an important plot point. I see it more as developing a minor character - giving him a little more depth, and proving that JJ's team is just as dysfunctional as Rusty's. Not something they're gonna "wrap up".
7.the captains addiction to tranquilizer darts
See above. I saw this as less of a plot point and more of a joke. It only seems natural that someone would become addicted to tranq darts, what with their liberal use in the Venture world.
8.The fate of sally's brother cody.
Cody is the definition of a one-joke character. Despite Jackson and Doc's knack for making seemingly one-off characters into fully-realized people, I don't expect to see Cody again.
9.trianna's friend kim becoming a super villan(Victor, echo, november)
I don't think we'll ever see this plot realized, no matter how hot Kim is and how much everybody wants to see it happen. Do we really need another side plot featuring a peripheral character? Of course we don't. If this list proves anything it's that MORE subplots are not needed at this point.
10.Dermiott being brock's son.
Clearly this is a huge one. I'm almost positive that Dermott will be back at some point in the finale, although I wouldn't be at all surprised if they kept the mystery going into next season, kind of like the whole Marla deal.
11.The monarch's obseison with dr.venture.
Clearly this goes hand in hand with #1. I'm sure it won't be totally resolved but it will obviously factor in.
12.sgt.hatred arching dr.venture
I have a feeling that Hatred will also show up in the finale. The Monarch moving in on his arch will surely cause more drama between the two villains.
14.Billy and petes quest for an arch.
This really hasn't been mentioned since early in season 2 (20 years to midnight). More than anything, it was just a good joke for the characters before they became more well-realized. Plus they already worked that angle with Orpheus and the order of the triad.
15.Hank thinkning he's immortal.
Another fact that may or may not factor in to the finale, but is less of a plot point and more of a joke/set-up for jokes involving cloning and such.
16. How Jonas Sr. died
I can't decide whether this is a giant red herring type thing or if it's really going to matter. The mystery of Jonas' death has been mentioned numerous times but never as if it was particularly important. The fact that it may have had something to do with the ORB is intriguing but I'm still not sure how it's all gonna factor in to the finale.
17. Whether Sgt. Haines, who assigned Brock to Operation Rusty's Blanket, is Sgt. Hatred
I think this was fairly obvious. The more interesting question is whether or not there was particular motivation for his assigning Brock to O.R.B. If those stories are indeed related, we may get more of this. If not, it was probably just a cool character reference.
18. If yes, how did Haines become Hatred?
Does it matter? Maybe. But I doubt it.
19. How the Guild was founded in its current inception
Clearly this is a big plot point. Like I keep saying, it remains to be seen whether this story will come to fruition by season's end
- by Creepy Crooner
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Yea, that's true. I actually wouldn't be THAT surprised if Jackson and Doc figure out a way to somehow tie up all the loose ends presented in this season over the coarse of the two-part finale.
That said, they also enjoy ending seasons on ridiculous cliff-hangers and setting up key elements for the upcoming season in the current season's finale (season 1 - Phantom Limb puts the Monarch in jail, setting up the season 2 love triangle type deal; season 2 - Sheila gets the Monarch to stop arching Rusty, as per secret guild orders, setting up the arching conflict in season 3). Basically I'm saying that's it's not inconceivable to think that some of the loose ends presented above will not be wrapped up this season.
And some of them (i.e. Kim becoming a villain, Cody's fate) are clearly unrelated to this season and probably won't be touched on ever again.
That said, they also enjoy ending seasons on ridiculous cliff-hangers and setting up key elements for the upcoming season in the current season's finale (season 1 - Phantom Limb puts the Monarch in jail, setting up the season 2 love triangle type deal; season 2 - Sheila gets the Monarch to stop arching Rusty, as per secret guild orders, setting up the arching conflict in season 3). Basically I'm saying that's it's not inconceivable to think that some of the loose ends presented above will not be wrapped up this season.
And some of them (i.e. Kim becoming a villain, Cody's fate) are clearly unrelated to this season and probably won't be touched on ever again.
- by green lantren mogo
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First off i'd like to say that cpc65 is right. But go to tv.com fro a statling theroy that could rock you're socks off!(the jonas senior one) anyways I thought i'd finish the analisys of my own list as a courtesy since creepy croonerwas cut off.
20. Who is the OSI's analogue of the Sovereign?
I don't think that will be covered but it might. 50/50 chance.
21. Whether Myra is really the boys' mother.
I think that theres enough evidence to prove that.(see the invisible hand of fate and dr.guymn, mediceine woman)
22. What happened to Rusty's mother
That might be covered. 50/50 just like 20
23. Triana warming to Dean's advances
Oh yeah. I love that subplot and given the fact that trian's costume from the season 3 promo picture(along with brock, hank and j.j's)(and dr.o's I think i'm not sure on that one) so it might come into play.
24.rusty's mother
50/50
25.dermott's mom
If he show's up and that plot's resolved it will probably be revealed.
20. Who is the OSI's analogue of the Sovereign?
I don't think that will be covered but it might. 50/50 chance.
21. Whether Myra is really the boys' mother.
I think that theres enough evidence to prove that.(see the invisible hand of fate and dr.guymn, mediceine woman)
22. What happened to Rusty's mother
That might be covered. 50/50 just like 20
23. Triana warming to Dean's advances
Oh yeah. I love that subplot and given the fact that trian's costume from the season 3 promo picture(along with brock, hank and j.j's)(and dr.o's I think i'm not sure on that one) so it might come into play.
24.rusty's mother
50/50
25.dermott's mom
If he show's up and that plot's resolved it will probably be revealed.
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