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"The Forecast Manufacturer" Discussion

Hello again, everyone! After a difficult week, why not curl up and watch the penultimate episode of season seven of The Venture Bros. for a nice half-hour escape? If you live in the US you can watch it online via Adult Swim's website. Otherwise you'll have to wait for midnight on Sunday night to enjoy it as a (hopefully) nice end to a (hopefully) nice weekend! This week's episode is called "The Forecast Manufacturer" and the place to talk about it is in the comments! If you haven't watched it yet, there will be spoilers, as you probably know by now, so don't peek unless you don't mind that sort of thing. Enjoy!
  • by Captain V
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I can't believe Dean was fucking her and Hank found out that way.
Scare Bear not wanting chips was great. And of course Hank saying he's not sharing.
I had a horrible day. And this episode fucked me up.
I thought the love triangle angle would be fun... nope.
Poor Hank. Dean Venture... doesn't give a fuck anymore.
It literally makes me feel awful.
I'm on Team Hank. Fuck Dean. He's the new Jonas Sr.
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2 months ago
So does Sirena have nanobots in her now too? Recall the point of entry.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Damn. That's a good joke.
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2 months ago
  • by zombiejesus
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Hearts and hugs for you Captain V.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Thanks. I appreciate the kind words.
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2 months ago
Yup, I didn't realize how real the characters seem now, its a completely different show to Season 1, something like this feels like a major punch in the gut. At first I felt like Doc and Jackson didn't properly set the audience up for this, but after a 2nd watch I'm really glad they didn't because it really puts the viewer in Hank's shoes, and lets you sympathize with his pain.

There something not quite right about this whole scenario though with Scare Bear somehow knowing that Hank should go to the dorm or even how to get there, Hank concussed (or still even in snow at the pole, hallucinating.) And then Grover Cleveland's presidential time machine with Doc and Billy trying to fix something in the past. They said they had to go back even further to "fix this too".

At first I was hoping this wasn't real, but now I'm hoping Doc and Jackson stick with it.
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2 months ago
I too was disturbed at how this one ended, and have a hard time forgiving Dean.. but on second watching this episode had a lot of great things.

The return of the Grover Cleveland time machine, remember that old piece of stupid, I have been waiting for that since season one. With a time machine and teleportation the final episode of the season should be interesting.

I have a prediction for "scare bear". With him holding Hank we get an idea of his scale. He could really only be either Brock or Hatred. With Brock being dressed at different times as a wookie, a yeti-mummy, a robot, and at one point in the Christmas episode as the ghost of Christmas future he has dressed in costumes before. I don't know why he would reveal that to Hank or how he physically could be able to ( time travel?) but my guess is "scare bear" is Brock.
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2 months ago
"And he's got a knife-superpower." - So it could be Brock, I suppose. JB says in THE BOOK he had a whole story planned for Scare Bear for last season with a happy ending for him but they had no time to fit it in. Hmmm.
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2 months ago
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Jackson also says in the 'Faking Miracles' section of the book: "A little Easter egg is that there's a crazy homeless guy in the background of the jogging scene [in Central Park] who was supposed to be a setup for a whole subplot that I had to cut out of another episode. I wrote twelve pages of this thing that I am definitely going to use next season."

Scare Bear also found Hank with his head cut open near Central Park. When Hank said he had to 'rescue his girlfriend', Scare Bear knew who he meant and where she would be. Maybe Scare Bear is that homeless guy. He could have been watching Hank and Sirena, and then Sirena and Dean from afar.

Or Scare Bear is just magic and the homeless guy may or may not have his own subplot this season. Completely unrelated.

It's cruel for Dean to essentially cheat on Hank with Hank's girlfriend, but it'd be even crueler if this was Brock's way of breaking it to Hank. There'd be a lot more crying and yelling with Sgt Hatred.
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2 months ago
Scare Bear is based on an art piece called "Sleeper" so maybe Hank is not really awake. Probably not, but it's a possibility. I actually stumbled onto it myself about a year ago online. As soon as I saw the image I knew that's where they got the idea from.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Glad I wasn't the only one deeply disturbed by the ending.
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2 months ago
Another fantastic episode!

I really wonder if we will see more of Rusty and Billy using Grover Cleveland’s Presidential Time Machine, which then leads to when does Rusty start calling the Monarch by his first name?

Also poor Hank. I wonder if what he saw between Serena and Dean along with being led there by Scare Bear could lead him to becoming a super villain
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2 months ago
  • by Danny B
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wait, is the Cleveland time machine a warped reference to him having two presidential terms?
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2 months ago
That's the best I can figure. Archer had a similar joke. "Hey, Grover Cleveland called. He wants his watch back. He left two nonconsecutive messages."
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2 months ago
  • by Danny B
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and The Simpsons, "Grover Cleveland spanked me on two non-consecutive occasions!"
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2 months ago
I had a rough week so this one sorta threw me for a loop. Work's been sorta crazy and my crazy brother went to Nepal. Yes, Nepal. Gotta unwind and blow stuff up (4X space game), then I'll view it a coupla more times over the weekend. Looked good. Just a bunch to digest... did... did Shiela set Kimberly up?
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2 months ago
  • by zombiejesus
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This has been an especially rough week on everyone.
It is my wish that we all prevail.
I also wish that reason and charity shall win out, too.

Also, also, I wish that I won that icecream cake.
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2 months ago
  • by Eartha Kite & Dismalicious Winds from Provo
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Mr. Maybe's INDIFFERENCE MACHINE? Hahaha! Epic callbacks & weird Canadian hodge podge. The Slasher Bear, KILLER! sO GoOd!!!!
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2 months ago
One more angle to consider: looks like Hank had a head injury, so there is no telling how much of his experience after that was real, and how much may be a hallucination.
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2 months ago
OS SparkleDream and dream sequences and vr have been big this season. Wouldn't be surprised by a Dallas type season ender where nothing this season was real.
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2 months ago
I'm leaning to Hank hallucinating. Hank has had grievances against Dean from a few seasons back when Rusty told him that he favored Dean because Dean was the weak one and needed protecting. Maybe he said that to Brock but I'm sure Hank knew it anyway. This would explain how the magic, giant teddy bear knew where to find Dean. And what would Hank's worst dream be --- finding his weak brother fucking <I>his</i> girl.

Doc V's reaction to this episode is very similar to my reaction to "The Inamorata Consequence" For half the episode it appeared as if Dr. Mrs The Monarch moonlighted as a common whore for the Ilumminati. Only in the after-credits did we learn that it was a dream. I suspect Hank's worst day is a hallucination from his concussion.
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2 months ago
Hell, even in the hospital Doc was asking for Dean over Hank
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2 months ago
  • by Eartha Kite & Dismalicious Winds from Provo
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*Scare Bear

Also, anyone remember when lawn darts were causing injuries all the time? http://mentalfloss.com/article/31176/how-one-dad-got-lawn-darts-banned
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2 months ago
Yes. We had them as kids. I think they had somewhat rounded off the points by then, but still dangerous! What were they thinking?
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2 months ago
  • by Aaaanon
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Death-by-lawn-darts -- only on the Venture Bros. But it seemed too obvious of a result. I was waiting for someone (Dr. the Mrs.?) to show up and yell at them. "You could put an eye out!!!"
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2 months ago
Favorite part was Grover Cleveland's Presidential Time Machine and how it was used. I really hope that story thread is revisited in great detail, but given how Jackson and Doc typically throw in these things in, I'm not expecting it. After this episode, I would love to see that epic Rusty and Billy adventure.

This episode had a LOT crammed into it, one of the best of the season. Episodes like this typically move so fast that it doesn't have a lot of classic Venture humor, but this one still had a log of gags scattered in.

I'm guessing Sirena and Dean got stuck at the dorm during the storm and as time passes with little to do between 2 young people who have a mutual attraction...I guess that happens? I don't know, I can see Dean kissing her in that scenario, but immediately regretting it and backing off. Sirena would have to be the one pushing for it to go further. Hank really worked hard to romance her, he didn't deserve that. A girl who would do that is clearly not worth the trouble for either boy, but this will divide them like they've never been divided before.

Who is Scare Bear and what is his connection with the Venture boys? May have been happenstance that he came upon Hank, but bringing him to Dean...he must be someone they know.
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2 months ago
  • by Destroyo
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"Who is Scare Bear and what is his connection with the Venture boys? May have been happenstance that he came upon Hank, but bringing him to Dean...he must be someone they know."

This ep I got a distinct Frank from Donnie Darko vibe. What's the furthest time-lag we've had with the clones? We previously had a misfit Dean who was stalking the boys. SB may be a prodigal Hank who has had a few years of growth. If he's of actual Jonas genetic stock, it's foreseeable he'd become that tall and wide. The knife may just be his tribute to Brock.
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2 months ago
Ha! I like this outside-the-box thinking!
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2 months ago
The problem with Hank is he lives in a fantasy world, and I think Sirena realized it.

Dean seemed like a nice guy who shared interest. Obviously, likes her and in their brief interactions seen earlier, he does not act like the weirdo Hank does. Also, he is pretty open about how he hates his life as a "Venture" much like she hates being smothered by her father.

Though here is the irony: Hank lost his virginity a few seasons ago but does not remember it. Dean remembers this.
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2 months ago
Technically, it isn't clear they...ahem...actually started. It would be especially cruel (though kinda funny) if Dean was STILL a virgin after this.
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2 months ago
Yeah, I thought that may be the case that Hank interrupted them before, though I suspect the "damage" is done to his relationship with Sirena.

Though with all of his nervousness and prudishness, it is nice to see that Dean got to at least second and probably third base.

Now did Sirena get to second base?



What?
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2 months ago
Well, we just learned that he is not!

Sirena's more of a "Dean" girl anyways.
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2 months ago
  • by Aaaanon
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So much for (literal) bro code...

Put me in the Hank-goes-evil column, if it all really happened.
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2 months ago
This season is just firing on all cylinders. Dean, man...need another S4 type season where everyone is mad at Dean to make me feel better ;__;
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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The episode is great.. but that ending. Holy shit. It's rough to watch.... on an especially rough day for me personally.
I'll never fully like Dean as a character again... but at least he didn't lie when caught... I guess.
At this point... I wouldn't be surprised if a main character dies a shocking and realistic/permanent death in the season finale. Hank is too obvious. But maybe Billy or Brock or... Dean? The show feels extra dark this season.

What if Scare Bear is actually Pete White? I'm obviously just kidding.
I also think the homeless guy either knows Scare Bear or is him.
He has an orange glove on (his machete hand) when he finds Hank, a clue maybe?
Scare Bear almost feels like it could be actually be Brock... or a rogue clone of Brock.
But Scare Bear is left-handed and Brock is right-handed. So, that disproves that theory.

Billy having the thermal regulator (plot device) up his ass conveniently just for stopping the weather machine didn't totally feel earned, too much was happening in the other stories for that bit to totally work for me.

Glad Doc Hammer's obsession with Lawn Darts finally got into a script.
All the callbacks and G.C. time machine callback was crazy. I'm sure we'll never see that Billy or Doc again... or will we.

The tie on the door... remember when Doc did that to Dean.. while writing his musical?

Dean and Sirena are pieces of shit. Forget what happened. Hank's head was bleeding all over and they just sat their caught like rats.

Hank's ADD would lead to him getting mortally wounded again.
It's in his DNA to get lost in fantasy, and just jump off a roof, so to speak.

Best Doc Hammer episode of the season. But you have to wonder if he pulled from his personal life for that ending. Meaning he may have been Hank or Dean in that moment once in his life. He writes from his life, as all writers do, but is pretty fearless in telling how life really works in an animated comedy.
The show has organically morphed (Blue Morpho-ed) into a black comedy/ drama over the years in my opinion.

Trailer SPOILERS for the finale:
We know Hatred is shirtless next week and trying to visit Hank in the ICU.
Brock is also shirtless next week covered in blood and killing guys in the penthouse.
The weird ceremonial robes the Guild Council are dressed in... maybe inducting a new member? Could it be the Monarch perhaps? Something... something... b/c of the teleporters bumping his grade up and killing the Creeper this week too.

I assume Kimberly is going rogue next week, or that was the end of that entire storyline... at least for the season.

"Crap! After we eat the chicken statue, we need to eat this paper!" - Dr. Z
I wonder who ate the paper then?

"Brock.. say... ma-nip-u-late." - Doc Venture
Nice to see Brock be the joke for once.

"Oh my God, yes, obviously, kill him!" - Dr. Mrs.
I love when any character yells " obviously" at moron subordinates in animated cartoons. The trope happens very, very frequently.

This is a really beautifully animated episode. They pushed it (the animation) real good.

I believe this is only the third episode of the season where (any) characters (not in flashbacks or space) are shown to be off somewhere besides NYC. I really appreciate that. The show was feeling slightly claustrophobic being set only in NYC. I mean, I love it... but I like seeing other places as well.

The weather machine design is definitely from pop-culture. Not sure where I've seen it before.

The time machine dopplegangers: It is implied Rusty sank the Titanic, and verbally stated he lost a finger somewhere in time. And the way Billy is dressed reminds me of General Custard.

Hatred wears the helmet b/c he is scared of debris. Probably smart when living with the Venture clan. Could be foreshadowing that Brock dies of a head injury in the finale. However, it's probably just foreshadowing what happens to poor Hank.

Hank's heart and head gets broken this episode.

Billy is Team Venture. Go Team Billy!!!!

Brock staying behind... may be a conveniently need plot point b/c he fights guys in the penthouse next week. Thus, he really is holding down the fort and is not Scare Bear.

Good CG animation in this episode too.

Of course that book would be used. Hatred only reads pre-owned books. Maybe he's a book collector.

I'm gonna go watch the VB7 trailers again, see what I can dig up on the finale.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Holy Shit. We haven't seen the yeti this season yet. Next week is going to be insane!
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Artbook S7 preview findings:

Rodney has a crazy Scare Bear like suit on in the artbook. Hank has a crazy costume on in the artbook. Almost looks like he's dressed as Lando from Star Wars. S464 is wearing a new costume and 21 is dressed fancy in the artbook. There is an ice cave in the artbook as well. Scare Bear's home? The Yeti's home?
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Oh, and Doc gets teleported to Meteor Majeure.
And the Yeti appears in the ice cave.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Hank is definitely having a coma dream sequence next week.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Here's my edited/updated repost on the finale:

Trailer and artbook SPOILERS for the finale next weekend: We know Hatred is shirtless and hitting on that nurse next week, trying to visit Hank in the ICU. Brock is also shirtless next week covered in blood and killing Guild guys in the penthouse.The weird ceremonial robes the Guild Council are dressed in... maybe inducting a new member? Could it actually be the Monarch perhaps? Something... something... b/c of the teleporters bumping his grade up and killing the Creep this week too. Remember, The Monarch wanted a seat on The Guild, but Killenger originally denied him. Anyway, his wife would be an equal again... and he'd probably figure out a way to arch Venture (secretly) while retaining his seat. [Side Note: Killenger probably knew he was destined to become the Blue Morpho and do all this stuff first. But knew it was the Monarch's ultimate destiny all along.] The Yeti has not made an appearance yet this season. Scare Bear could definitely be the homeless guy. But Rodney has a crazy Scare Bear like costume o
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Continued-

But Rodney has a crazy Scare Bear like costume on in the artbook VB7 preview section. Hank has a crazy costume on in the artbook as well. Almost looks like he's dressed as Lando from Star Wars. S464 is wearing a new costume, looks like he's found serenity. And 21 is dressed fancy in a dapper suit in the artbook preview section.There is an ice cave in the artbook. And the Yeti appears in the cave in the trailer. Could it be Scare Bear's home? Or more likely it's the Yeti's home? Oh, and Doc gets teleported to Meteor Majeure.
VB7 Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnCWXGYeGfs
SDCC Trailer / Starts at 22:22: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiK7kROoPJs&t=1335s
Hank is definitely having a dream sequence in a coma next week. Count on it.
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2 months ago
  • by zombiejesus
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"Did you see the little jack-in-the-box guy? Hark Hamill."
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2 months ago
  • by Destroyo
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It just occurred to me that head injuries and broken hearts were the theme of this episode.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Exactly.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Both S464 and Hank got broken hearts and heads.
And the Creep got lawn darted through the head... and you could say he was broken up in the heart as well... from the OSI turning him away for murdering kids.
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2 months ago
What was the point of bringing Kimerly in to see S-242 (?) knowing that they'd adjusted his memory so he doesn't remember her. Why break Guild protocol just to breat a woman's heart?
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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To set up the finale next week.
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2 months ago
To confirm the memory wipe worked?
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2 months ago
To torment Kimberly because Sheila still has an ax to grind.
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2 months ago
My longshot guess for Scare-Bear is older forgotten Hank clone. They brought up the boys being clones in at least two separate episodes this season, and one of Rusty's closing lines this episode was about how he would never play fast and loose with super science (which could have just been a set-up for the time machine bit, but also a reminder that Rusty has before and continues to do so).

Less longshot guesses would be Jared or Rocco. My first thought was he had more to do with Hank/Dean, but maybe it was Sirena he was looking out for.

Speaking of the time machine, I appreciated the fact that Rusty calls Monarch "Malcolm" implies that they have some sort of change to their character dynamic at some point in the future, and I hope we get to see it. *fingers crossed for season eight*
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2 months ago
We don't know how GCP Time Machine Works. Rusty thinks he time traveled 70 million years into the past, but that clearly didn't happen. Perhaps the time machine is a fraud and is only a teleporter between universes (remember the alternate universe Rusty from "Bright Lights, Dean City", and whatever alternative universe Fat Chance's hole is connected to). Maybe that isn't our Rusty who has a relationship with our Malcolm, but a different Rusty who has a relationship with a different Malcolm.

I too would love to see that story thread explored further, but sometimes Jackson & Doc love to throw these curveballs for no reason other than being a curveball to remind us how crazy of a Ventureverse there is (glimpses of other stories we don't see that just intersect ours briefly).
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2 months ago
My favorite thing about that time machine is it lets you move through time (possibly between timelines?) but only to where the time machine is physically located during that time? Makes sense if you think about it but it's pretty non-standard for general time machine lore.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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I can honestly say I was not expecting the karate dojo logo to be the next shirt.

There is soo much going on in the new episode... I was expecting almost anything else to be the shirt.

Glad I ordered a Dr. Z shirt last week, b/c it's the best shirt of the season (so far) in my opinion.
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2 months ago
  • by zombiejesus
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Jonas Venture tee, respectfully, begs to differ:
http://astrobasego.com/images/2018/Week_3_-_Shirt_Club_Product_Image.jpg
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Definitely. The Blue Morpho one is really good too. As is the Rusty's Machine exclusive shirt.

Damn. Only one shirt and one episode left this season.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Holy shit! Of course Dean is wearing the Jonas Sr. shirt. It fits him so well... being a two-faced jerk like his grandfather.
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2 months ago
  • by zombiejesus
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It's all making sense now...
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2 months ago
I respectfully disagree. The Big Villain shirt is definitely the best so far.
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2 months ago
  • by Aaaanon
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Shirt a bit meh, in an otherwise good season selection. I like the more obscure shirt references (versus shirts with major characters), but that dojo was a brief episode, and we'll never see it again. I'd order another Shallow Gravy shirt in a heartbeat, however.
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2 months ago
  • by Mr. Mostly Mittens
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Episode 10 better show the Order of the Triad in their NYC HQ. Been waiting on that since it was mentioned earlier in the season.
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2 months ago
  • by Aaaanon
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Was Hatred reading "The Day After Tomorrow"? That's not a book, unless a novelization of the movie. Appropriate given the storm, however.

Oh, and a prior question I had is again answered. "Doppelganger much?" Even got directly mentioned here.

Finally, big plot hole. Dean leaves the tie on the door (nice callback to the Doc) to warn off roommate, but leaves the door unlocked???
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2 months ago
There is a novel titled 'The Day After Tomorrow' by Allan Folsom, but it has nothing to do with the movie of the same name. He is likely reading a novelization adaptation of the film. Note the "Used" sticker on the cover. Likely an acknowledgment that they are borrowing a plot element from the movie.
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2 months ago
Man, the writing this season has been so good.

Also: "Nat King Cobra" was, is, and will forever remain my favourite super villain name of all time.
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2 months ago
  • by zombiejesus
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I dunno, Princess Tinyfeet's dad is Chief Justice. That's a pretty good one.
Is he in judge robes with an Indian headdress? Or Indian chief with a judge wig?
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2 months ago
Informative
  • by Captain V
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Jackson and Doc will be at NYCC 2018, fuck yes!

An artbook signing and a nice Q&A session.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KenPlume/status/1046909368959209472

Doc Hammer also has an artshow:

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/doc-hammer-the-black-ones-tickets-50287509294
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2 months ago
  • by Rented Mule
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So I can assume Sheila’s answer after last week’s cliffhanger was she was giving up her arching to remain on the council as she and Dr. Z were in charge of assigning that mission to The Monarch?
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2 months ago
Looks that way, but why leave us hanging with that "Ummm" answer of hers? This season doesn't have the same level of continuity as last season did and I'm wondering how many of these loose ends they'll wrap up in the finale, how many will carry over to season 8 and how many will just remain unanswered.
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2 months ago
It was fun to see Billy doing a callback to Jonny Quest, getting his skin stained purple by the silver nitrate (Race Bannon stained his skin purple with berries to help impersonate a PoHo water god). Though silver nitrate does stain skin purple (or black), silver iodide would make more sense in a weather modification machine, since it is the compound used for cloud seeding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

Also, nice to see Doc acting in a competent manner and getting a win, taking out the wx mod machine.
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2 months ago
  • by CV
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Season 8 confirmed! Season finale!!!! Go Team Hank!!!!

http://www.adultswim.com/videos/the-venture-bros/the-saphrax-protocol
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2 months ago
Thanks for your diligence. Also a new discussion thread! http://mantiseye.com/news/2018/10/season_finale_discussion_the_saphrax_protocol

Try not to post any spoilers for the finale in this thread in case people have seen "The Forecast Manufacturer" but not the new episode. Save those for the new discussion!
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2 months ago
  • by CV
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Got it. I'll never post again.

Goodbye... forevermore.
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2 months ago
That’s not what I said!
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2 months ago
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Captain V

Oct. 2, 2018, 7:08am
Jackson and Doc will be at NYCC 2018, fuck yes! An artbook signing and a nice Q&A session. https://mobile.twitter.com/KenPlume/status/1046909368959209472 Doc Hammer also has an artshow: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/doc-hammer-the-black-ones-tickets-50287509294

Captain V

Sep. 28, 2018, 5:13pm
http://www.adultswim.com/videos/the-venture-bros/the-forecast-manufacturer It's here.

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