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"A Party For Tarzan" Discussion

It's the home stretch, or whatever you want to call it. Here's your weekly discussion for the penultimate episode of Venture Bros. season six, "A Party For Tarzan", which I presume will contain Tarzan and some sort of celebration for him. Maybe not though? Either way, use the comments to talk about the episode (which Jackson says is his favorite of the season) or the series in general. Note that, as is often the case, there are likely to be spoilers in the comments so you may want to avoid them until you've seen the episode. Have fun!
Ahhh Henchman 24!
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:11am
Wow! Doc has outdone himself with this episode. Beautifully done!
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:23am
Great episode. Would have made a great season finale. Now I'm curious about next week's episode.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:25am
Yeah, like does Christopher Lambert ever get let in?






What?
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:25am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Well, he didn't bring anybody else so it's kind of a waste either way.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:32am
I mean he showed up like 10 minutes after the eclipse so whatever. Who does that?
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Mar. 14, 2016, 1:15am
  • by Captain V
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Christopher "FUCKING" Lambert... that's who.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 1:38am
  • by Captain V
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Excuse me, Christopher "Mother Fucking" Lambert.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 1:39am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I don't know about that- my interpretation was he got there on time but the front door was locked so he couldn't get up there.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 4:04am
The scene is show while the Council is leaving WW's at the end of the episode so he was late.
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Mar. 15, 2016, 12:24pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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He might not have been noticed by anyone before then. I wouldn't put it past Lam-ber to be persistent in trying to open a locked door.
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Mar. 15, 2016, 3:45pm
No man he's classy. He's been waiting at the door for a LONG TIME. The door buzzer just goes to the security desk; Brock's at Ms Warrington's place; who knows where Hatred's gotten off to?
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Mar. 16, 2016, 8:23am
  • by Captain V
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There's a brand new commercial on Adult Swim just for the season finale and it looks fucking epic! Red Death seems to be sinister, menacing and rather terrifying, a rarity for this series to make a villain that's actually frightening.

I'm sorry, but just the preview alone was better than this episode that just aired.
Really glad it wasn't the finale now.

Red Death makes me excited for the finale!
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Mar. 15, 2016, 9:40am
nm, mistake
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Mar. 18, 2016, 3:46pm
Wow!!

Okay, they actually make a Ted Bundy reference along with about a thousand others.

Now have to re-watch to see if "Battle-Axe" is somehow alive--in the bar, tending it, bandaged and with an old-style neck brace.

"You don't have to do this!!!"
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:25am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I don't think he did- I think Gary just ripped his mechano-legs off and let him go into hiding.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:34am
21 ambivalence about killing The Wandering Spider seemed totally out of place. He's killed before: brutally, callously. In season 4 21 became a bad-ass. He survived #1's gladiator-arena by killing, killing, killing. Now he's a murder-cherry? It's like Jackson and Doc have decided that Season 4 never happened.
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Mar. 16, 2016, 6:32pm
Yes she's there, covered in bandages!
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Mar. 16, 2016, 8:24am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Pretty good, although I'm not sure the whole shifting narrator thing worked for me- the visuals speak for themselves. Very nice to finally get Gary's origin story and last name. Wish Action Man would have just shot the boxer arch right away instead of letting him talk. Got some more details about what happened to the original Blue Morpho. After what happened to Dr. Z, I'm guessing Morpho has some sort of morphing ability as well- no costume is that good. Shame that Lam-bert couldn't get into the building but he didn't bring anyone else anyway.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:31am
Watching this bit reminded me allover again how horrible a childhood Rusty had.... showered with blood from a man being bludgeoned (to death?) right in front of him but a supposed "good guy."
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Mar. 16, 2016, 6:05pm
Blue Morpho (did they ever give the Monarch's father a name?) could well have gone the route of Col Gaithers when he was infiltrating Molotov's girl-assassin's league, which for a surgeon as talented as Jonas Venture, would be simple.
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Mar. 16, 2016, 6:19pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Hmm. Was expecting this week's Shirt Club to be 21's 'All I Got' shirt but Enzo's is pretty sweet too.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:39am
Yes this weeks is a must buy, as much as I wanted last weeks Tee I never wear white so I took a pass.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:42am
  • by Dave
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They can't redo a T-shirt!
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:46am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Why not- give one to each of your henchmen, watch them argue over who is really the 'best'. Good way to kill an evening.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:58am
  • by Captain V
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My feelings are highly mixed and polarizing on this one. The continuity was just a bit off from the rest of the season with regards as to how Dr. Mrs. viewed the Blue Morpho, as she was already convinced he was Venture and alluded to wanting him dead already.
Also, Bot Seeks Bot was better at faking out Dr. Venture's death, coincidentally also a penultimate episode of the last season.

However, all the callbacks to the previous series continuity with 21 and the pilot were fun and highly enjoyed. And I didn't laugh very much at this one.
I also thought ATHF used Chris Lambert much more effectively and the jokes about him fell falt here as a result. Well, the final stinger with him being locked out was funny.

It felt oddly 'meh' for as deep as it got with all the characters reflecting on their lives like a film instead of a TV show.

I dunno, it was a really weird, wild, predictable, and contemplative episode with good callbacks to original continuity... but not exactly with regards to season continuity.
Z had to convince Dr. Mrs. but she was already convinced and leading the charge.

Definitely would've worked better if it had aired before lasts weeks episode.
The council was ready to kill Venture as was Dr. Mrs. at the end of last weeks credits, herein this week it felt like that hadn't happened yet.

Interestingly, Battle Axe lived... but she definitely had a neck cast. Good enough continuity there. Ha.

Happy 75th episode, it's a mixed bag of genius callbacks... but the continuity felt odd regarding how the council views the Blue Morpho after just the previous episode.

A 7.9/10 overall.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 12:50am
  • by LL
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I loved this episode (I wrote more extensively about that below), but I'm with you about the lack of coherence when it comes to the Dr. Mrs.-Blue Morpho plot. It's been all over the place from episode-to-episode. Maybe Doc and Jackson weren't entirely on the same page about that storyline. Your'e right, too, about the episode being predictable. Still, I think it was internally coherent and very, very funny. So I was completely on board for this one.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 1:06am
  • by Captain V
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Just rewatched it.

The writing felt heavy-handed and it was almost like Doc was trying to remind the 'dumb' fans what is still relevant and what the overall plot is this season.

Like, oh, the season is over... better remind the 'bozo' audience members why Dr. Mrs. would shoot Venture. It wasn't needed.

This might be the most over-written season ever, I'm loving and hating it.
[AS] obviously needs to give them 13 episode seasons again.

A 6.9/10 (Is what I actually meant to type)
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Mar. 14, 2016, 1:08am
  • by Captain V
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But... I'll just give the episode a 7/10 and call it a day.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 1:09am
  • by Captain V
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And I don't mean all that Doc thinks any of the fans are bozos, or that Doc was internationally writing like that.

It's just, in the order this one aired and was presented... it all felt like that.

Had it aired just one episode prior, I probably would've given it an 8/10.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 1:37am
  • by Captain V
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My fucking spelling check is definitely fucked up. Hilarious reading.
Please ignore all my numerous typos.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 1:44am
  • by Rented Mule
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I also wondered if this episode originally was supposed to have aired immediately before "It Happening One Night", but in rewatching I noted that one piece of evidence Dr. Z presented was the grappling gun found at the site of the Doom HQ crash that was a Venture Industries model.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 2:02am
  • by Captain V
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I'm rewatching (for a third time) and I somehow just now noticed that too!
That line of Z's and Battleaxe's bandages cement this episodes spot.

I take it all back... well, mostly.

An 8/10 overall.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 2:08am
  • by LL
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I'm going to begin this comment with a confession: I don't like Doc's episodes nearly as much as I like Jackson's. I know that puts me in the extreme minority on this message board. Doc is an incredibly charismatic guy, and I think that some of his episodes get a pass because of it. Not that his episodes are ever bad--with the possible exception of "Careers in Science"--but some contain major plot holes, and some contain some really out-of-character dialogue/behavior. For these reasons, I like Jackson's more average episodes better than Doc's.

All that having been said, I thought this was a brilliant episode. When Doc is good, he's really, really good. I think two of his episodes this season--"Maybe No Go" and this one--are his best since "Everybody Comes to Hank's." I didn't even miss the Hank-Sirena storyline, which has been my favorite part of this season.

My hat's off to Doc for this one. It was beautiful in its simplicity, and as usual, it was freakin' hilarious.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 1:01am
  • by Captain V
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It largely varies for me from season to season. Some seasons I like Doc's episodes better and some seasons I like Jackson's episodes better.

Anyway, Jackson has been killing it this season.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 1:13am
  • by LL
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We're in full agreement about Jackson killing it this season. Hell, he killed it last season ("Bot Seeks Bot," "O.S.I. Love You," etc.). He's on a roll.
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Mar. 15, 2016, 12:15am
Doc: "This has to go like clockwork. This family has been shot at, shot down and shot from more times than any other family in history! We are Ventures!"
Billy: "This is like a dream I once had."
Doc (gesturing to Billy and Pete): "Not you guys, obviously."
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Mar. 14, 2016, 2:08am
  • by Sitar With The Poopy Family
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Blue Morpho, a hermaphradite?

No BM! Too poopy!
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Mar. 14, 2016, 2:24am
  • by Captain V
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I liked it much better the third time. That's never happened.
It is definitely a whopping episode in every aspect.

I was obviously very, very distracted during the first two original viewings.

It all really clicked. I liked how Venture and the Monarch both were cleared at the end. 21 made him make that call, but presumably let him go and buried his mechanical legs instead, ending his career but not his life.

All the contemplative character soliloquies dovetail soo beautifully during the gunshot, fuck it, that should've been the series finale moment... but they actually kill Dr. Venture.

Loved that the moon replaced the lighting bolt in the background during the title card and we got swinging end credit music to go out on.

Lots of things were just better the third time.

It works better than I thought, I was being far too hard on this episode.

Now, I'll give it a 9/10. (My ambivalence knows no bounds!!!)

I'm excited for the finale, and we know exactly what will happen from the previews: Red Death plays a big role, almost every character is in disguise as another character, it's all plays a part in the big sting operation, Dr. Venture goes into hiding at Rose's, a Guild sniper targets Blue Morpho while Hunter (and almost everyone else) is in disguise at Venture's to draw him out. 21 and the Monarch go to Rose's dressed as Guild operatives, the Monarch talks to Red Death in while both wear generic civilian clothing.

The last V6 episode is almost upon us!
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Mar. 14, 2016, 2:48am
I love how much you changed your mind, in a way that we can all read and experience as you do. Truly thoughtful. I prefer your third rating. Excellent stuff!
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Mar. 14, 2016, 10:12am
  • by Sitar With The Poopy Family
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References- Good Fellas>Taxi Driver>Miller's Crossing> many more..(???)
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Mar. 14, 2016, 3:08am
Ted Bundy--21 pretending to have a broken arm and needed help putting something in his car was his "MO" early on.

GoldFINGA--have to say it in Shirley Bassey's voice!--with the laser cutting the table. Should have had a "Do you expect me to talk, Goldfinger?" "No, Mr. Bond! I expect you to DIE!" reference.

"Battle of the Sexes"--infamous tennis match between Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 6:40am
  • by LL
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I caught the Ted Bundy reference, but what was with 21's voice in that scene? Why was he affecting a deeper tone? It's not like the Wandering Spider knew him (at least, we haven't been shown that he does). That part confused me a little.
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Mar. 15, 2016, 12:01am
A belated "I do not know." I do not know what the actual Ted Bundy sounded like.
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12 months ago
They're killing it this season!

Only got to watch the first half so far, but they further cemented the Colorado setting with Ben Nighthorse Campbell. He was senator from 1993-2005. Poor Gary Fischer. I guess we're lucky he was holding that flag.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 9:39am
  • by Destroyo
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21's van snatch was a reference to The Silence Of The Lambs, complete with comment on his size. Buffalo Bill was actually based on Bundy.

Another shape-shifter in the Venture universe...hmmmm.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 11:00am
  • by The Blue Morpho
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That beautiful suit! Ugh, ruddy bastard.

Luckily, Enzo's the best.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 1:57pm
But dida de Rusty know it was the Blue Morpho's suit when he took it from a de shoppe?? I swear he took it right off of de Face' de Enzo!

Seeing the old Monarch Henchsuits made me warm and fuzzy inside!! And will Dr. the Mrs hear 21/TBM's voice mail at some point?? Edit; on rewatch I see she did hear that voice mail..
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Mar. 14, 2016, 4:48pm
  • by The Blue Morpho
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Haha! The fuzzy suits are so cherry. Made me think of Evil Hank, from Russian Hench Exchange Program.

And Rusty is so clueless. He just didn't want to wait for a suit to get made. Lucky for him he took one with freshly repaired Kevlar....

The voicemail plan to clear the Monarch went so smoothly...too smoothly. Good thing Gary didn't let Malcolm wear the BM suit to go Heiney arching.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 5:56pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I miss Russian Guyovitch.
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Mar. 15, 2016, 4:30am
I'm thinking a Wanted reference with the bullet and voiceover
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Mar. 14, 2016, 2:44pm
I don't care what the haters say (I know Captain V came around eventually)
but I loved this episode from top to bottom. The writing was brilliant and the narration was an awesome choice. I still don't see how they can wrap up in season in one more episode though and I'm pissed at AS for only giving the 8 episodes. Just make it open ended and give me one new episode every 2 or 3 months for the rest of my life please.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 4:00pm
Was there something subtle going on with Wide Wale there? I sort of took it "devil on the shoulder" thing with Dr. Mrs. at face value but was he trying to get her to kill Rusty for what it would do to her relationship with the Monarch?
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Mar. 14, 2016, 4:36pm
  • by The Blue Morpho
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Seems like it. I think they still will reveal his vendetta (vendata?) against Monarch for the Dr Dugong murder. A lot of powerful people have had something against Monarch over the years and for some reason he has made it through. Wide Wale is not one to be trusted and is always playing his own game. As pretty much every character is. Next week has a lot to live up to.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 4:45pm
Next week is just going to be another episode. Th real finale won't be until Season 7 or, parhaps, a one-off like the Gargantua-2 episode.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 4:59pm
  • by The Blue Morpho
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I know that. By a lot to live up to I mean the incredible quality of the first 7 episodes and continuation of the story. I don't expect big reveals or grand changes to status quo. This one really brought it.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 5:07pm
Alrigtht, i've culled my fave moments. Some have been prev posted. Read at yr own peril. As they happened in chrono order:

The old Monarch henches' uniforms, when they kidnapped Gary Fischer aka Henchman 21 are fuzzy black unitards, incl a head covering; they wear yellow & orange horizontal striped shorts over the unitard. Monarch's old costume incl fuzzy ylw neck/shoulder cover & fuzzy, feathery wings.

The 5.5 council - so named bc Watch & Ward only count as 0.5 and they sit at a children's table [giggle]

Dragoon speaks w an British accent but pronounces "tomato" in American English.

In 1973, Blue Morpho was, according to Dr Z, the "junkyard dog" of Jonas, would do his dirty deeds. "BM would have done anything for Jonas Venture"

Also in 1973 Dr Z gets it on w an apparent Billie Jean King [who came out in 1981] while "hopped up on ginkgo biloba & paradise white." Ginkgo is a memory supplement, PW does not appear to be a drug, but it is the name given to a drug bust in 2014 Memphis - Operation PW

Young Rusty was on the moon at age 7

Monarch is currently a level 4, if he thwatrs Dr Heine he will be considered for a level 5

Beautiful parquet wood floor in the residence where party is thrown for Christopher Lambert. This coming from a guy who has seen some beautiful wood floors

CL was the lead for movie Lord of the Apes ---> Party for Tarzan

Monarch complains he doesn't want to wear his old outfit to get Dr H, sez 'crown kept slipping off' - i've never seen it

EMA = Equally Matched Aggression

Action Man is referred to by Rusty as "full-on psycho" when he attacked Turnbuckle

DrMrs: "Illegally obtained surveillance footage is not enough to move on" perhaps a weak point? They're villains yet they quibble at how surveillance is obtained ?

Dr Z gets excited when he rides in the limo "Free water!"

Tomato juice is apparently Rusty's fave mixer. Other tom j references: H&D used it as fake blood in the Halloween ep + Rusty used it to make a drink - Pepsi & tom j , forgot the name

Grenadine + tom j + rum = Ruddy Bottom

Billy apparently is an easy drunk, and he later pays homage to the porcelain god

As others have pointed, laser hemorrhoid cannon scene is reminiscent of Goldfinger. Kudos to Dr X for pointing out missed opp for a "No, i expect you to die!" joke

21 attacks Wandering Spider in NJ's infamous Pine Barrens. Lotta ppl also think PB was the funniest ep in the Sopranos

GREAT, great last piece of narration by the Monarch ~ "Yeah, Dr Venture died & nobody cared, not his friends, family, bodyguard, stupid robot" as the scenes show, respectively, White standing by Billy as the latter is saying hello to 'Eaaarllll in his new Bbuuuuick' aka puking, Dean studying [where's Hank?] , Brock sweating in pain/agony while bound by the lasso of truth, and Helper staring at the red 'problem' light in the console

Enzo' shop window sign: top - 'Specialty Tailoring' ; middle - drawing of a skull above open scissors ; bottom - by appointment only

Song over credits - thought it was Dean Martin, searched but couldn't find a goddamned thing & it's driving me kar-azy. Sounds like DM, big band swing music. If anybody knows what the name of the song is/who performs it PLEASE in the name of all that's holy post. Lyrics:

Ding ding round 1, the battle's begun
Ding ding round 2, said i'm coming for you
Ding ding round 3, i'm on the ropes, there go my hopes
Ding ding round 4, i'm on the floor,
Questa e` la vita
<chorus> C'est la vie !

Can't figure out if it's an old song or commissioned for the show. Eihter way, i wanna hear the whole thing, got me hooked.

Agree w Captain V that this is, as Sherlock Holmes said "A three-pipe problem" = a minimum three-viewings ep to get all the tasty goodness.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 6:21pm
  • by The Blue Morpho
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Isn't the end song performed by Copy Cat?
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Mar. 14, 2016, 6:43pm
Paradise white is slang for cocaine...
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Mar. 16, 2016, 8:28am
  • by zip
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Usually VB is heavy on the comedy with a bit of drama mixed in (It Happening One Night,) but this episode felt more like an Ocean's Eleven, where there were comedic hits, some very subtle, but ultimately more emphasis on the drama. Even the conclusion after Doc pops up from the ground and the bouncy swing tune plays was dominated by the fate of Schrodinger's spider.

I thought it was very well crafted, just a bit of a change-up from the usual delivery.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 8:56pm
Hmm, so the original Blue Morpho could be not only The Monarch's father, but Rusty's mother.
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Mar. 14, 2016, 8:58pm
Wow. Now THAT would be a twist.
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12 months ago
  • by LL
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On re-watch, I really love the background music. J.G. Thirwell was given the only music-related credit, but the score likely came from Doc Hammer and/or tunes from the Turner library. Whatever the case, the choices are a perfect send-up of the music in most heist films. And the song that plays over the credits--maybe it's my imagination, but I think I hear some of the voice cast. Have we figured anything out about the source of that tune? I know there was some discussion about it above.
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Mar. 15, 2016, 12:13am
After searching around I found it's "Ding Ding" by Daniel Farrant, James Knight, and Ray Gelato.
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Mar. 15, 2016, 12:57am
Thank YOU !!!
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Mar. 15, 2016, 8:37am
  • by Sitar With The Poopy Family
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Daniel Farrant, James Knight, and Ray Gelato, aka James Foetus Concrete Shoes Thirwell.

The no credit for this had me confused too. I thought it wasn't Thirwell as his voice is more like Nick Cave than anything.
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Mar. 15, 2016, 9:51am
My friend Mike happened to catch the link that the original Blue Morpho, may in fact be a woman? (Or a hermaphrodite? Maybe?) In the sequence where Dr. Z recalls him "doing anything for Jonas Venture." Plot twist? Blue Morpho is The Monarch's Mother??? (With high pitch inflection and the end.) Just towing knives in the dark at the target of Rusty and The Monarch being half brothers. Thoughts? Ideas? Help? It's driving us nuts!!! Love this show, and have been waiting for the link between Rusty and Monarch's seething hatred for years. Thank you all for any input.
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Mar. 15, 2016, 1:43am
How does the timeline work out as far as Monarch being orphaned and the Dr. Z flashback?

I was thinking, given Phantom Limb's comment on a bounty or something... what if the Sovereign figured out BM died in a plane crash, but wanting to cash on in the bounty, impersonates BM to make it seem like he's still alive (a time during which he has sex with Dr. Z). Then he creates a murder scenario to take credit for the death, uses that to rise in the ranks of the Guild, and when in power erases evidence of that event.
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Mar. 15, 2016, 3:26am
Yes, what if the Sovereign is TBM? Then who's Vendata? A Clone..?
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Mar. 15, 2016, 12:28pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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LMD, obviously.
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Mar. 15, 2016, 3:48pm
In the words of Red Mantle/Dragoon hybrid, let's don't refer to this guy by his initials. It makes it sound like we're talking about a walking....
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Mar. 15, 2016, 8:40pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I meant a Life Model Decoy. Not sure if that came through or if you're referencing something I missed.
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Mar. 16, 2016, 3:28pm
I love how much Watch & Ward we get this season. They make me laugh every single time. Such a pure Doc & Jackson comedy pair.

How did Radical Left get on the Council anyway? [The answer is probably just that Doc & Jackson like him.] And why is he not on the 5.5?

In re: the rest of the Revenge Society, Professor Impossible clearly fell apart after the Gargantua 2 heist went down and Sally publically dissed him. Ünderbheit was always a joke; he's probably back to panhandling again. I hope we get to see Fat Chance again; now that he can control his Mystery Hole he could be a pretty capable villain.
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Mar. 16, 2016, 8:38am
  • by Captain V
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Wide Wale, Phineas Phage, and Radical Left were apparently left out of the task force dubbed the 5.5 b/c... they were... umm, busy.

Seems like an oversight, even though Wide Wale appears at the end.

Glad I wasn't the only one who found this strange.
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Mar. 16, 2016, 12:56pm
  • by Captain V
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Final Thoughts and Random Observations:

- 21 drops two subtle allusions about body armor during the episode that suggest Rusty will be fine before the reveal. First and most obvious, he mentions that the Kevlar was flaking and is why he took the suit to Enzo for basic repairs. Secondly, he briefly ponders if the Wandering Spider is wearing a flak jacket before his mechanical legs activate.

- 21's flashback of being kidnapped, ordered dead by the Monarch, but then ultimately spared by henchman, perfectly mirrors his exact actions when kidnapping the Wandering Spider. His life has come full circle. And b/c his backstory was already revealed years ago but went unseen until now... that's some damn good writing, baby!!!

- The moon plays a big role in this episode and it also does in the Highlander films. This is no coincidence, Christopher Lambert played the Highlander and is featured within this episode prominently.

- Doc refrences Lambert's obvious and famous roles from the Highlander franchise and Greystoke: The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes. But he also quickly slips in a Lord Raiden line. A hilarious reference to the cheeky Mortal Kombat live action film Lambert starred in as Raiden.

- Billy is portrayed in an especially repugnant and grating manner in this episode. The way he snaps, "Always a Gloria!" at White, and how he uncharacteristically hammers rum shots down and asks about the Carfax Fox, Rusty's Mom, etc. was just gross to me. First time I've EVER not liked Billy in an episode.

- The beginning of this episode doesn't work well b/c you know some BS reason is coming the entire time to explain how Rusty was fine. It makes the entire episode feel predictable, which is a shame b/c the character life reflections and deep mythos is spot fucking on.

- It feels like bandages were added to Battleaxe retroactively and the grappling hook line was added so this episode would play as a penultimate season episode. The 5.5 suggests Phage has not been re-welcomed yet, an oversight suggesting this episode was written early in the season. And b/c we know how J&D write and often air production episodes in an 'interesting' order, to plug things in appropriately, this realization gels with what we know about how the show has always been made.

- Dr. Mrs. was built up to already wanting Venture dead and convinced he is BM, teehee.
But here it's the opposite. I believe this was (mostly) done on purpose so we'd buy her pulling the trigger. She's very rational in this episode, but it has been built up all season she's fed up with Rusty's affect on her life, and her inner monologue in the limo reflects this. I thought it didn't work... but the more I watch this one... Doc Hammer actually sells it perfectly. She's always been sympathetic to Rusty, hence why she cured his Kafka nightmare, so it'd take a lot of building up and a Wide Wale screaming at her before she'd ever actually shoot. It really works. I'm just trying to say Doc sold it and gave her back her depth and humanity this season, which was needed. BM has stolen so much screen time I'm missing certain characters and character development for others featured less as a result. This episode fixed that, for sure.

- 21 reacts overly nonchalant when a knockout dart is shot into his crotch. I would've fucking yelled out in pain, at least briefly.

- I find it hard to believe Phantom Limb almost defends Rusty during the debates by calling him to much of a loser to be BM, teehee. And for somone who wanted everyone dead in season four... it's a bit odd he isn't on the roof with the other psychotic villains wanting Venture dead. I guess he's actualized as a person and really grown into a sane supervillian not bent on destruction and revenge. Good for him.

- I feel Z would've already mentioned all his BM (teehee) knowledge previously when this all started. But... maybe he was embarrassed about his accidental sexcapades with BM.

- Brock and Dean are painfully silent this episode, it feels like they each had one or two lines that got cut. J&D realized they saved production money by having less actors, and rolled with it. A popular season four practice.

- This episode has a ton of odd animation quirks. Not exactly errors, just weird little things I noticed upon repeat viewings.

- Enzo builds himself up as the god of tailoring... but he's not confirming it. *Spites*

- If Battleaxe saw 21 out in front of her bar he would've presumably been axed to death out of revenge. It also raises questions about whether or not she still wants to kill Venture next season. It all hinges on what happens with the Blue Morpho next.
I.E. if the BM saga (teehee) gets resolved it's likely the Guild would inform her off camera of the resolution.

- Turn Buckle is definitely a fucking douche. Anyone would've shot him.

- The Monarch proved to the council he couldn't be the Blue Morpho through his selfie, but besides Z (barely, briefly suspecting him) he almost did this before anyone even suspected him at all. Venture, as well, was obviously cleared b/c 21struck as the Blue Morpho. This sets the stage for an interesting finale b/c nobody knows who the fuck the Blue Morpho is besides the Monarch and 21.

- 21 was moonlighting as the Blue Morpho... during a lunar eclipse. Think about that. Bravo Doc Hammer, bravo good sir.

- Dr. Mrs. can spot a Lambert a mile away. Not actually, but it was still impressive. He was slightly far away and he had his back turned and she still knew it was him.

- Can anyone identify what film/films this entire episode is a reference to? I can't shake the feeling this entire episode, the opening, the monologues... it all feels like it's a specific reference to some film noir Doc Hammer likes.

- When the Blue Morpho removes his mask after sex with Z it feels like a lazy joke an Austin Powers movie would make. However, the way Z describes everything and is deeply troubled by his encounter for decades is what makes the joke totally work.

- The Dr. Heinie joke felt pretty damn lazy. An ass doctor named Heinie, ugghhh.
I get that the Monarch has to arch a shitty (poophole) doctor to climb in the ranks to get back to Venture, but the joke is just banal, and painfully dumb. Why not have the Monarch arch a gynecologist named Dr. Vgeinie next season? Gimmie a break.

- This is a great episode that's slightly marred by odd jokes, season continuity friction, and somd seriously weird details. I see why I basically don't know how to rate it.

- I thought Jackson was fibbing we he said Vendata and 'that picture' won't be addressed until next season, but I believe he was telling the truth now. Although, all the Blue Morpho stuff has definitely built upon this foundation.

- Even the animation during the flashback of the henchman and Dr. Girlfriend has nods to the original animation cycles of everyone continuously typing in unison. Very nice attention to old details.

- Blue Morpho is once again referenced as being "resplendent".

- Kimson "Always a Gloria" Albert.

- The ratings, once again, did not surpass one million viewers with only a 0.913 rating earned.

- Lease, V ipod, Oxler, Dogs, LV, n&n's, Soup Anywhere.. Everywhere!, Sassy, and Mamguna, are just a few of the visible ads in Times Square.

- Instead of a quick lighting bolt, the moon is present once the title card flashes and the credits roll.

- The TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE PART-Y banner is an obvious reference to the lyrics "...a total eclipse of the heart".

- Hank's strong rum drinks really got Billy buzzed in a bad, bad way. Hank is once again seen wearing a fake moustache when he's in costume as a bartender, a running gag.

- Dr. Venture's drink recipes suck, but man, he can flip a cocktail shaker like a professional bartender.

- All the level ten villains have been punks so far. Thin Tank just wanted to play Chess, Battleaxe's husband just wanted to yell, Wes and co. were just eccentric druggie thieves, and Wandering Spider was a big wussy. Hopefully, Red Death will actually bring some menace this upcoming Sunday.

Welp, that's it. I had a few more notes and tidbits that I can't recall right now, so... this is good enough. Until next time Venturoos!
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Mar. 16, 2016, 9:44am
Oh, cut Billy a break. He's a cheap drunk, but not an alchie [regular].

Movie references i can thin of: Silence of the lambs when 21 kidnaps WS, SotL itself nods to real-life Ted Bundy's practice of rolling ppl by pretending he had an injury & needed help, sometimes wearing a cast.

Monologue-wise ref to Casino & Goodfellas, both Scorsese films. There's more refs peppered throughout the thread
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Mar. 16, 2016, 11:01pm
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Makes sense, I've only seen one of those films... a decade ago.

Interestingly, if you listen to the commentaries we know Doc Hammer is obsessed with SotL, the General / Carfax Fox commercials, Scorsese films, faking out character deaths, callbacks to previous episodes, fleshing out flashbacks we've heard spoken of but never seen, working Billy and White into an episode at the expense of other characters screen time, and anything taboo related to genitals, sex, and bodily functions.

This episode literally features ALL of that.
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Mar. 17, 2016, 6:13am
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So, I can't watch VB live cause it comes on too late. I watch it in the a.m. when I'm just waking up. I'm barely awake, and I'm watching "Tarzan." Here's what my semi-conscious mind came up with: Dr. Z says his interaction with Billy Jean/Morpho makes no sense cause all the things he did to her. All I can think about is the South Park episode where they are trying to figure out who Cartman's father is. It is revealed that Mrs. Cartman is a hermaphrodite, having both sexual organs. Could it be that the Monarch's dad is...no, I need more sleep...
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Mar. 17, 2016, 1:19am
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I find that very interesting b/c the ratings reflect that [AS] should've been airing this season at least thirty minutes ahead in the 11:30 slot and the season probably would've never dipped below one million viewers.

Look at the most recent ratings data from "Tarzan":

12:00 a.m. premiere rating - 0.913 million

4:30 a.m. encore rating - 0.845 million

That's kinda fucking crazy to me! T.V. ratings data is almost pointless in 2016 b/c of the rise of other formats and DVRs/Netflix teaching people to marathon shows on their own time. But still, that's pretty damn interesting they could premiere the new episodes at 3:30 a.m. (my timezone) and get basically the same ratings.

Clearly, the new episodes should be debuting earlier.
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Mar. 17, 2016, 6:02am
  • by LL
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God, truer words were never spoken. Written. Whatever.

Cartoon Network continues to treat Venture Bros. like one of its ordinary, lower-quality shows. It's been a critical hit from the beginning, and it has a loyal cult following. Still, it airs at midnight on Sunday, and I'm pretty sure the streaming services feature only its first--and therefore weakest--season. By rights, the show should get a better time slot, a better budget, etc. Since that won't happen, I suppose we should all be happy for a seventh season, but still.
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Mar. 18, 2016, 12:49am
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I don't know that a half hour would make that much difference. It's a late night show. And the best there is. I agree with you guys about its treatment by AS, but I think the air time ultimately makes no difference. This show has an incredible following, staying alive in small irregular doses over 13(? What year is it now?) years. The fandom has grown over time and continues to expand. The way I view it, VB gets shown on tv as a formal premiere, but it lives in digital viewing platforms and on home release discs. The Venturoos are generally obsessive and the fans will watch it whenever it's on. AS knows this and uses it to their advantage. I don't think D&J could handle anymore than they already do. It certainly takes a lot out of them and they've been given a greater amount of support in recent years, but from what I've seen, they're sort of at their limit. I do wish the series were longer than 8 eps plus "specials" of late, though. Hard to believe two days from now we'll be left Ventureless again for so long.
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Mar. 18, 2016, 11:50am
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All I meant is FG was the perfect lead in, Mike Tyson sucks as a lead in.
Don't believe me? Take a look for yourself.

FG Sunday Ratings from Sunday, March 13th:

10:00 p.m. - 1.8 million

10:30 p.m. - 1.930 million

3:00 a.m. - 1.0 million

Venture Bros. used to air immediately after FG and it would regularly pull 1.5 million viewers, with roughly only 0.4 retention loss. I rest my case Venturoos.

Anyway, I actually think Mike Lazzo and AS treat the Venture Bros. pretty nicely. No other network head would let a series take thirteen-ish years to crank out six seasons. Plus, they openly allow them to use their production budget however the see fit, i.e. hour-long episodes or specials.
And Warner Home Video has released three of the seasons on Blu-ray, which is beyond belief... since Blu-ray releases for animated TV shows are almost dead.

Really, all AS needs to do is air the show reruns more and debut premieres behind FG.

Well, J&D should ask for 12 episode production season budgets. Then we can have an hour-long season opener, eight regular episodes, and a proper hour-long season finale. Still ten episode seasons, but done goddamn properly! It's just... c'mon, it's fucking painfully obvious at this point. Switching from thirteen to only ten has just goofed up the finales.
They need the money for twelve eps so they can make ten episode seasons work properly with regards as to how they are made now.
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Mar. 18, 2016, 1:46pm
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Yas!

Hm, the site wouldn't accept my "yas!" for being under 5 characters, so have another "yas!".
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Mar. 18, 2016, 2:53pm
  • by The Blue Morpho
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My house sigil tshirt arrived!

I feel complete.

Although I'm really only 55.5% complete.
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Mar. 18, 2016, 11:07am
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Bonus Final Observations:

- This episode has the production number 610, meaning it was produced last.

- 21's kidnapping strategy is definitely based on real serial killers like Bundy as mentioned, and the movies already mentioned. It is also a reference to the film "The Vanishing" with Jeff Bridges, which is based on real killers. Bridges' character wears an arm cast, lures a woman to his car and knocks her out with ether. Then he drives to the woods and buries her alive. This mirrors 21's actions perfectly.

- Wide Wale blows smoke out of his blowhole at the end.

- Despite all my criticism... this episode has definitely grown on me.

- 21 comments on how awesome certain characters names are this season. Specifically, Nighthorse Camel and Harangutang. This only occurs in Hammer written episodes. I.E. Doc Hammer is literally congratulating himself on the clever names he wrote into the show as a character he voices.

- This was the first episode this season that Kate McKinnion, Patrick, and Mike did not lend their voices to, as their characters are seen but do not speak.

- Jackson and Doc wanted this to be the final episode of season six but due to continuity it did not lend itself to being aired last.

- "Red Means Stop" is the final episode for the season and is production episode 607. It will serve as a finale but is actually a penultimate. Season five all over again.

- 21 is seen wearing his t-shirt from the last episode of season five. This shirt was available to fans through the season five shirt club.

- Rusty's voice gets crazy high-pitched while he begins to wax poetic about Lambert's life and sexual conquests.

- 21 and the Monarch internationally use the eclipse to time everything within their plan easily and perfectly. Hence why the selfie and the call had to be during the eclipse.

- What would the Monarch have done if Dr. Mrs. had actually killed Venture? Would he have found out and gone totally fucking nuts it was by her hand and not his own?

- Dr. Assface does indeed have ads in the subway car the Monarch is riding in. Also, an ad for a shoe is briefly seen that reads: Eat Dust. Generic coffee, water, headphones, marathons, wifi zones, and recycling ads can also be seen in the subway cars.

- The paper the older man is reading in the subway is about someone being dead at 45 on the front. And a younger man is reading a magazine that looks like the same one the Monarch later holds.

- It'd probably be pretty easy to fall out of the Blue Morpho Mobile if your not wearing a seatbelt while flying.

- Is this the first time the Monarch pulls out a handgun just to intimidate someone? I think so, maybe. This could be an allusion to Bond villains and films.

- The Monarch is seen reading Pleeb magazine. Dark Matters is on the cover. Cover tagline: They're all gonna laugh at you, so have the last laugh. Presumably this is a scientist tragically made-up of dark matter after an accident occurred. Hmm, possibly a season seven character? Also, the tagline font is so small... only insane fans would ever notice it. Yas, I'm insane.

- Instant karma gets Billy in this episode, he's collapsing and puking in no time from the copious amounts of rum,

- Dr. Buttbutt was voiced by Paul Tompkins, he is also the voice of the Blue Morpho. So, it almost sounded like the Monarch had his father tied up while he tortured Dr. Bootydooty.

- Presumably, Dr. Mrs. takes the shot b/c she is basically #1 on the council... even though they are intended to be equals.

- I like to pretend Helper has been staring at that light all season long. It explains his absence later in the season. It's basically the exact same red PROBLEM light from episode three of season one. Well, episode three if you count the pilot. And I do.

- Speaking of absence... I'm really missing all the old characters who got cut in the new season.

- White holds Billy's tie while he vomits into the toilet.

- Dean is reading a book titled; "The Gay Science" at the very end of the episode. The shot is fast and the cover is upside down... but that's definitely what it reads.

- Brock is yet again seen enjoying being tied up. Brock certainly became kinky this season. He loves being pegged and tied up now. He and Warriana probably engage in seriously sadomasochistic sex acts off screen.

- The Monarch's final line of dialogue certainly feels like it was intended to be the closing line of the season.

That's it. Stay true, stay blue... morpho, my fellow Venturoos
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Mar. 18, 2016, 4:45pm
By "insane fans", you just mean "all Venture Bros fans", right? One of the great parts of this show is scouring it for minutiae. Father is in the details. I read the Pleeb cover, too, and am equally looking forward to Mr. Last Laugh. He better come into play.
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Mar. 18, 2016, 5:32pm
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The Gay Science is by... Nietzsche. It was Friedrich Nietzsche. How do they not know that?
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Mar. 19, 2016, 10:48am
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Ha, of course!

God might be dead... but knowledge is not.
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