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The Official Word On Brock vs. Hunter

So for those of you still reeling from Hunter being the champion, I managed to get in touch with Doc Hammer to get his thoughts on the matter.

You say: "I was kind of surprised but then I started thinking that maybe that was anaccurate result. I mean Hunter is old and not as strong, but he did teach Brock everything he knows. What do you think?"

In a hand to hand fight? Let's work it out. Let's say that Hunter taught Brock everything he knows. That doesn't state that Hunter taught Brock the entirety of Brock's knowledge. It actually implies that Hunter passed on to Brock all that he (Hunter) knows about fighting. This puts them (at this point) as equals in skill, and doesn't give Hunter the advantage. I'll take it farther! In fact it implies that Hunter has less knowledge because Brock (according to your argument) did not share his tricks with Hunter.

That shared knowledge will be assigned metalinguistic veritable "Y".

"E" will stand for all the knowledge Brock acquired from other sources. We can't forget that Brock created "Blood Judo".

"A" will be the experience and skills acquired being a body guard to a "Guild Arched" super scientist that can't defend himself and finds trouble under every bed.

The variable "H" will represent the fact that Brock is larger, younger, and more freshly practiced as a hand to hand killer.

So in a stripped to the waist, man-punching-man situation, the math would be:

Brock = Y+E+A+H ! Hunter = Bad knees.

Brock would take the fight easily on a regular day. Fine, yes, there is that off chance that Hunter would get in a lucky (and dirty) stab to the eyes, and possibly take Brock down from there with his G. Gordon Liddy bullshit. But in this simplistic tournament thing you have here: Brock.

I really think the voters are fucking with you.

So there you have it! If you agree or not is a different matter, but Doc has called it in Brock's favor and I think he might just have some insight into the matter. Perhaps.
  • by Donkiku
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Brock FTW!
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Nov. 4, 2010, 12:39pm
Status: Told.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 12:40pm
  • by Rootboy
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Pretty sure a lot of people just thought Brock winning was too obvious.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 12:43pm
  • by Donkiku
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I think we, the ones going for Brock, just got careless and didn't vote as diligently as the single guy going for Hunter. :P
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Nov. 4, 2010, 12:47pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I think it's a matter of how one looks at the tournament. I saw it as each contestant being able to use their full abilities in every fight. Let's face it, Dr. O and the boys wouldn't have gotten nearly as far if it were just hand to hand combat. Their powers (and popularity) is what got them so far. And if it were just hand to hand, the villain bracket would have gone totally differently.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 3:22pm
  • by Hardy
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How does age factor in? I assumed all the villians/heros were in their respective prime in the fight. If they were supposed to be fighting in their current mid-late season 4 state.....then why were several people fighting DEAD characters in the first round? And Underbheit lost to a corpse?? That doesn't make sense at all. You have to assume all the characters are fighting while in their prime.

Hunter in his prime vs. Brock in his prime. Brock probably wins.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 1:00pm
  • by Tony
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You forget that Brock has a tendency to hesitate when it comes to attacking Hunter. Hunter, on the other hand, has never had a moment of doubt in his life. Hunter has the advantage in pure balls.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 1:19pm
  • by Xoynx
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Hunter may have taught Brock everything that BROCK knows, but that doesn't mean that Hunter taught Brock everything that HUNTER knows. Given Hunter's inherent caginess, I really doubt that he'd trust anyone, even his right-hand man, with his greatest secrets.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 1:44pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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That was my understanding as well. Plus, Brock hadn't seen Hunter for almost 20 years in Assassinanny 911 so it's likely Hunter's picked up a few things since they last met. Also, Hunter seems to be willing to do whatever it takes to succeed so I doubt he'd ever submit to a 1 on 1 bare-knuckle brawl without some sort of trick up his sleeve.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 3:12pm
Have to agree with you entirely, H. I was so outraged by Hammer's words, I had to yell about it to everyone I know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78KCoTpYL3A
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Nov. 6, 2010, 12:55am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I don't blame Doc here. I think what happened was he didn't have all the facts about the tournament. He saw, "Who would win in a fight, Brock or Hunter," and took that as "Who would win in a physical fight." Now, in a purely physical fight, Brock obviously wins but that's not how I, as someone who voted in every stage of the tournament, understood the tournament to work. If anything, it's a simple misunderstanding.
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Nov. 6, 2010, 1:25am
Well I can see your point there, and even though I didn't vote in EVERY stage, I understood the spirit of the competiton to be the same as you.

In a stripped to the waist man-punching-man thing, Brock would win 99 out of 100 times, I agree, but I think the voters knew what what happening and saw things clearly, at least what, like 54% of them anyway.
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Nov. 6, 2010, 2:21am
Plus this video is part of a huge sweeping story arc between me and someone who wishes he was good enough to arch me.
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Nov. 6, 2010, 2:22am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Is this a PRoV thing?
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Nov. 6, 2010, 3:32am
Nope. It's a youtube thing. It just happens to involve The Venture Bros. at the moment.
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Nov. 6, 2010, 1:14pm
  • by emarche
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It's got to be Hunter for the win. Yes, straight hand-to-hand is probably going to tip in Brock's favor, but come on: Hunter has consistently demonstrated that he's resourceful, a lot smarter than Brock and most importantly: devious. Dirty fight all the way. While Brock's punching, Hunter's laughing and palming the detonator...FOR THE C4 HE HID IN SAMSON'S FILLINGS 15 YEARS AGO! He's always one step ahead - that's why he's the best. That's why he runs SPHINX. (SPHINX!). Brock's just his goon squad.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 3:24pm
  • by Henchman 127
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Hunter already beat Brock. Maybe not in an actual fight per-se. But when hunter became a woman, Brock was unable to kill him. Hunter could just do this again and Brock would be able to do nothing.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 4:01pm
  • by mtd
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But Hunter didn't teach Brock the hypnotic code phrase that will shut down all his motor functions. You don't unleash a Swedish murder machine on the world without installing a kill switch.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 4:40pm
  • by CadetteV
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I hate to disagree with the man writing the show but in a one on one fight, backed into a corner, there's no way Hunter fights fair. True, in a fair fight Brock is the clear winner by brute force alone. However, in cage match "2 men enter, 1 man leaves" situation, Hunter would be running his mouth the entire time, getting into Brock's brain, playing every card he has, and using every dirty trick he can think of including playing to Brock's view of him as a father figure -Brock's Achilles' heel. Hunter would feign truce then stab him in the back. There's a reason the tough little SOB is still around AND in charge of SPHINX , he's ruthless.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 10:56pm
Exactly! Fist fight or no, to strip Hunter of this psychological edge is about the same as saying that Orpheus can't use magic.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 11:31pm
Exactly my point. Hunter didn't live so long by playing fair, or by relying on brute force. Hunter is a master tactitian, and would have a full arsenal of dirty tricks to play. I've mentioned it before, there would be one split second where Hunter uses guilt to his advantage and capitalizes.

I do have to disagree with Doc Hammer on one point. Hunter taught Brock everything Brock knows (or at least the foundation for everything Brock knows) but I KNOW that there's no way that Hunter taught him everything. He's smarter than that.
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Nov. 5, 2010, 9:25pm
  • by jjjj
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Yes You all have valid points, but your forgetting one thing as well, As Doc hammer already pointed out Hunter Doesn't Know Everything Brock Knows, once brock was cut loose he learned somethings and created a martial art. So in terms of combat they're actually pretty evenly matched, and since when does brock play fair as well. Add to that as doc hammer said, brock is younger and stronger, I'd say brock for the win.
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Nov. 5, 2010, 10:04pm
Ah, but Brock doesn't know everything Hunter knows. Hunter's had the experience to talk the talk even while Brock was still wet behind the ears. Do you honestly expect me to believe that experience stops? That at any one moment one can stop learning?

I like to think that Hunter was smart enough to have tactics that he tells no one. And in twenty years, an old dog can still learn plenty of tricks
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Nov. 6, 2010, 12:22am
  • by Yes
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Yes but Hunter doesn't know everything brock knows, so it is even!
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Nov. 6, 2010, 4:59pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Well, what's to say Hunter hasn't been keeping tabs on Brock all this time?
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Nov. 6, 2010, 6:30pm
  • by andrew
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its obvious from the episodes TFTST 1 and 2 that Brock isn't the smartest character in the show. He just not smart enough to play all the angles, which he never had to because he always followed Hunter. Which also makes him easy to manipulate. And we've seen just how smart hunter really is and he probably the smartest guy on the show. Now do you honestly think that when hunter first trained Brock and saw just how unstoppable Brock is that he didn't take any precautions? If it ever came to him and Brock having it out, please believe Hunters got ways to stop him.
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Nov. 6, 2010, 6:34pm
  • by LIL KIM Jong IL
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....but Hunter would have Brock fighting HIMSELF in moments. my least fave characters of the show! there i said it!
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Nov. 6, 2010, 10:57am
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