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"The Bellicose Proxy" Discussion

Welcome again, this is your weekend's Venture Bros. episode discussion. If you want to check out this week's episode, "The Bellicose Proxy" early, it's up on Adult Swim.com for you to watch (US viewers only, sorry). Otherwise it'll be on regular TV Sunday night at midnight as usual. Use the comments of this article to talk about the episode, season and series if you want! If you haven't watched the episode yet, there will be spoilers so only enter if you like being spoiled... or at least if you don't care too much. Enjoy the episode!
Another fantastic episode and I pray this weeks shirt is what appeared in the episode
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2 months ago
I think it's a wee bit obvious! That Dr. Z dream sequence...!
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2 months ago
"Then we all get milkshakes!"
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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That shirt the Monarch had on will DEFINITELY be the new shirt available for purchase.

I'd bet $1000 on it.
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2 months ago
It's the shirt...
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2 months ago
  • by Destroyo
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It's cheaper to ship two separate orders than two in the same shipment - weird dat.
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2 months ago
With USPS that is likely because there is a weight limit for 1st class mail, so one shirt is below 1 lb. whereas two shirts would probably be over a pound so they'd need to use another service like Priority Mail. For UPS and FedEx, it would be cheaper to ship two shirts in one package then it would to do two separate shipments. I run a shipping department.
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2 months ago
  • by Destroyo
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I was afraid Astrobase Go was going to troll us this week with a "Truck Yeah" shirt.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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I was a little surprised that Shiela lost her temper so easily just because some OSI grunt didn't know who she was. And why did she tell hubby that he saved her "life"? I wonder if something's eating her and she's been keeping it bottled up?
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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It was a bit weird and very out of character for her.

And oddly, I actually have some minor gripes/issues with this episode.

Anyway, definitely not bad... but the whole episode felt very much like Doc sat down and tried to write a goofy madcap season 2 episode... but in season 7.

And I wouldn't doubt it if he intentionally did this, b/c he mentions in commentary how he'll take vastly different approaches to each episode he writes each and every season to keep it fresh for himself.
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2 months ago
  • by gnormie
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Did Monarch call her Councilwoman Smith? Did he just invent a generic last name or is her real name Sheila Smith Fitzcarraldo?
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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He was just covering for her... listen to the line delivery on 'Smith'.

He stumbles slightly while he quickly thinks of Smith.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Some Notes:

While this is arguably the most hilarious episode of the season, it's not my personal favorite. However, I just re-watched it and liked it much better.

Some jokes are extra hilarious to me; like Billy being a giant Pepsi can and especially Rusty being so genero...greedy with the donuts.

I loved St. Clouds version of the bubblegum line from "They Live" and yes, many shows use/parody it at some point.

The bathtub bit was gruesome, Doc is really good with that kind of stuff; Red Death's monologue from the second episode this season is another great example... and is also a riff on the famous monologue from Jaws.

Speaking of Jaws... it gets mentioned yet again. Doc sure loves himself some Jaws.

Unrelated, but I realized Hatred was getting stale to me b/c I'v really enjoyed him not being in the last two episodes. I think he works best as a character you only use when you need him, just like Dr. Orpheus. Or just use him for a joke about only cooking eggs w/ ketchup, you get what I mean. Both characters worked great, were funny and had crap to do in "Problem" and "Arrears" for example.

For whatever reason I feel Dr. Z is getting over used this season as well, he could use a little break too. To clarify I love Dr. Z and Hatred... just my opinion for this particular season.

Billy's Mom fighting St. Cloud is literally an idea I also had; probably an idea many, many people have had. But, very weirdly, the main difference is St. Cloud gets thrown out the window by Gentleman in my imaginary version. This was something I thought of back during VB6. So, to see him bust through the window and fight Gentleman and Rose... it was a tad surreal.

I wonder if Rose and Gentleman will become a couple while Rodney is in a coma? Maybe.

Anyway, Dr. Mrs. The Monarch feels off in this one, especially where she snaps at the end just b/c some OSI grunt named Kimberly didn't recognize her. Why would Dr. Mrs. even give a shit? Maybe it's foreshadowing that he job is already "getting" to her? If not... it was a very odd bit of characterization to say the least.

Brock and Doc's final lines at the very end were hilarious, poor absolutely pathetic Billy and White!

Athough they were much, much more nonchalant, everyone also seemed much more competent and realistic in "Maybe No Go", with regards to everything Quizboy vs. St. Cloud. While this episode made them all feel more incompetent than ever before. Perhaps, it was just b/c they were being mentored by idiots like Rusty and The Monarch? This is my weird complaint, and I know it's just my bizarre perception.
But this did feel like a step back with regards to their entire dynamic.

St. Cloud feels especially inept in this episode, I mean he actu..... PENIS!!!! PEENNIISSS!!!! PEEEEEEENNNNNNNIIIISSSSSS!!!!! PEEEEEEENNNNIIIISSSSSS!!!!!!

The Monarch's line about the X-2... interesting.

The way this particular episode starts feels extra abrupt to me, but... sooo many jokes got crammed into it, that I totally understand.

Quite a reference heavy episode.... a bit more notes to come later on.

(Part 1 of 2)
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2 months ago
I think it's pretty funny how Billy has always dreamed of having his own costumed nemesis, and now that he has one, albeit one as pathetic as St. Cloud, he is terrified. He and White were practically pooping themselves over that Guild scroll and Doc tries to show them it's no big whoop.

Doc: (sarcastically) "Come in, Brock. We have a level 1 arching threat."
Brock: "So? What, do you want an aspirin or something?"
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2 months ago
  • by zombiejesus
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"The bathtub bit was gruesome, Doc is really good with that kind of stuff"

I mentioned in the Inamorata thread that "the bathtub" is a variation on this slowly-torture-to-death method, invented by those wily Persians:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism
Again, I warn you, it is really gruesome, and even worse than how Councilperson Dr. Mrs. describes. It could take 12-18 days.
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2 months ago
Rose and the Col a couple? He don't swing that way matey...
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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What? He swings all ways... but yeah, he definitely leans one way in particular.

He was married back in the day.

Basically, he'll have sex with anyone he deems beautiful.
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2 months ago
"I thought I was your beard..!"
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2 months ago
So you also noticed that Dr. Z was in a skirt at the end of his little makeover fantasy?
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2 months ago
  • by gnormie
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He was married to Dr. Quymn's mother. So I always thought he was Bi.
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2 months ago
Loved this episode, definitely one of my favorites this season! The whole storyline of Dr. Venture and The Monarch hand-holding people through a low level arching experience was awesome. In combination with the GCI intro, it lays more foundation on how the whole arching system works in this world.

Stand-alone episodes like this don't always push the overall narrative forward, but I enjoy the world-building or adventure they often bring with classic Venture Bros. comedy!
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2 months ago
The previous week's is still my favorite episode but this got a lot of laughs out of me. It's good from time to time to do a standalone episode. especially when the episode connects to the story universe, like the Evil Mentoring Program. Some people are saying that Dr. Mrs. The Monarch's behavior at the end of this episode was out of character. Well, I kind of thought all her #metoo objections were kind of out of place, too. More than likely actually running the Guild is getting to here. But I also think that this was done to show that The Monarch really cares for Sheila and acted to save her from her own temper, and that she cares that he cares. There hasn't been a lot of warmth shown between the two even though the second and third seasons were really all about them.
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2 months ago
  • by Destroyo
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some quick refs:

- oh no, it's Guardo! from S107 Home Insecurity
- the Monarch's laugh scene evokes Cameron's scream from Ferris Bueller's Day Off
- Delta Boy of Venus seems from Anais Nin's "Delta of Venus" smut book
- Pete's tale takes full lines from Billy Batts's epic beating in GoodFellas
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2 months ago
Another possibility for Delta Boy of Venus could be "Delta of Venus" by Boy with Wings? https://boywithwings.co.uk/news/delta-of-venus.html

It was the first result of my Googling it anyway. Probably something totally different. We'll probably have to wait for the commentaries or the next art book.
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2 months ago
It's too bad the Mego figures, DOLLIES, aren't doing well enough to make a White and Billy from this episode...
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2 months ago
Some are good, most are okay and some are just creepy bad. And the fabric for the clothes is too thick for that size so it bunches up. The ones I had back in the 70's were an overall better quality I think, and they used a thinner fabric for the clothing.
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2 months ago
WHHHHAAA?? You opened their boxes? That was mint in box!!!
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2 months ago
I know, but how else was I gonna make my Joker and Riddler kidnap my cousins' Barbie dolls, then have Spock team up with Batman to save them?
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2 months ago
"Dean has 6-pack abs" I hear...
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Bif Bang Pow! officially retired their V Bros. merchandise. years ago.

I literally bought everything they put out... three times over.

I liked the company b/c if you sent them an email they'd write you back.

I remember distinctly asking for a St. Cloud MEGO right before everything VB ended.

The merchandise they produced varied wildly in quality.

Hilariously, Helper is particularly crappy and the arms break off just sitting on a shelf. So... I glued the arm back on. Good as new!

I have doubles/triples of MEGO V Bros. characters MOSC and out of box. Bobble heads, mugs, cups, blah-blah-blah.

Counting the Moppets, 26 MEGO type figures were made.

That's better than most toy lines actually.

Now, Kidrobot officially makes V Bros. stuff.
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2 months ago
I really liked this episode as a quality "pallet cleanser" after all the big revelations this season. Aside from Monarch mentioning the X2 being familiar, there weren't any "history mysteries" brought up. This was a funny breather episode. I really enjoyed when Rusty decided to get involved when he realized the Monarch was somehow connected. Its rare to even hear Rusty say the Monarch's name out loud, so it was a treat for him to take it personally. Speaking of the Monarch, I love the dynamic between him and 21 this season and last. Like sure the Monarch is the boss, but those two are literally best friends now. Who would have guessed that back in season one that the tubby comic relief henchman would have such a long character arc?
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2 months ago
  • by gnormie
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Monarch's parents arrived at the X-2 when Jonas bested L Ron Hubbard's robot in a previous episode.
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2 months ago
  • by Yarwoodart
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Are the buildings at the beginning the Cosby townhouse?
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2 months ago
  • by Matt Jones
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The building with the black windows that they go into is really the Brooklyn Heights Subway Ventilator.
https://untappedcities.com/2014/09/25/hiding-infrastructure-with-fake-townhouses-in-nyc-paris-london-and-toronto/
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2 months ago
Awesome! Thanks for the information/link, I didn't know about this but that is spot f**king on.

A screenshot I took:
http://i.imgur.com/mMGMWIJ.jpg
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2 months ago
I got three shirts today:

Jonas Venture
Modern Enemy Monthly
Problem
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Noice!!!
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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More Notes:

Opening establishing shot: What is with that green car? It stops where there is no stop sign, then quickly speeds off. Strange.

Where the fuck is the snow? It's January in NYC!? As Dot Com would say... Epic Fail.

King Diamond is an eccentric Danish musician.

Television broadcast rating / 0.551 million.

The Monarch and 21's outfits are a specific nod in the beginning of the episode, I'm just not sure as to what. But they look familiar. Maybe someone else knows?

Next week is the big "heist" episode, should be fun. Copycat would be involved an Ocean's parody, it's beyond perfect.

The helicopter is from Blue Thunder, a action thriller from 83 starring Roy Scheider.

The makeover sequence is from everything ever... even Family Guy did it... probably.

The original Sigmund and the Sea Monsters was a kids show from the 70s.

Animation error: Doc's glasses are incomplete as Billy is shot leaving the bathroom.

The purple pineapple flavored fog may actually be referring to vape devices, as a pineapple flavored vaping liquid was quite popular in recent years. And Doc mentions them in the commentary tracks

This season needs more Pirate Captain and Crusaders Action League. Also, Red Death needs to return for the season finale. Oh, and more Wide Wale too.

This episode seems to have way more jokes than usual and less focus on plot. A first for the season.

Christopher Street is pretty accurate... I think.

PEEENNNIIISSSS!

Col. Gentleman's book is a direct reference... but I forget now. Someone else will know.

Humira is obviously for arthritis. However, it is also used to treat many things.

$9.00 for a latte actually sounds cheaper than the prices currently in NYC.
Although, you can still find a latte for $3.00 if you know where to go.

Truck Yeah!

Dr. Mrs. hates truckers and happy endings.

The final beat feels like a season two capper, the way Doc's head barely moves and he says... "Never." I totally love that moment.

They no longer have a copyright year in the ending credits, it comes during the WS end card only now.

We actually get to see Killer Drone's costume.

VenTech Tower gets messed up yet again, level 6 lighting is serious!

Dean had no lines but appears briefly at the end.

I had more... but this is good enough. Thanks for reading.

(Part 2 of 2)
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2 months ago
I looked and see plenty of snow, you should ease up on them, I bet it hard to put in. or something, besides we get a snow packed ad-Venture soon...

And The Egoist SPEAKS SLLLEEEEPP!
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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I was mainly just kidding around. And earnestly don't even really give a fuck.

But seriously don't make me out to be a liar, b/c there is ZERO snow in this episode.

Again, there is literally zero snow in the entire episode.

You must be getting purple fog and snow confused.
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2 months ago
  • by H. Killinger
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  • by Captain V
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That's it! Nice find!
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2 months ago
Also, second Rosey Grier reference (Remeber the two headed man costume from the Halloween episode)
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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(Addendum)

When Doc said: "We're stepping up our game!"

I so, so badly wanted him to instead say: "We're stepping up our game... with much more game!"

Missed opportunity. Oh, well.
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2 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Are you f'ing kidding me. I want like 5 of those.
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2 months ago
  • by H. Killinger
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  • by Captain V
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Doctor, you are on point!

Wow, I like the episode even better now just knowing this is based on reality.
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2 months ago
  • by H. Killinger
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Screenshot for comparison: https://imgur.com/mMGMWIJ
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2 months ago
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