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"The Venture Bros. and the Curse of the Hidden Problem" Discussion!

Season seven is here and with it returns these discussion threads! Feel free to talk about the episode and the season as a whole in the comments. If you haven't seen the episode yet, there will be spoilers so stay out if that's important to you. Also you can watch the episode online, but otherwise it will air on Adult Swim in a little over an hour. Enjoy!
Amazing start with an unexpected crash ending on multiple story lines! So glad the best animated show ever put on television is back with new episodes. It's scare-a-Brock-spooky!

Thoughts:
1) Hank is awesome, but I didn't get the reference to why he was spooked while over at Sirena's place.
2) I know I missed Dr. Orpheus, but, wow was the Triad awesome in this episode.
3) So glad to see the tie-in to the old looming ending of Season 1 episode Careers in Science. We thought that ending was tied up when Gargantua-1 crashed to earth, but that crash never had the emotional weight that the music at the end of Careers in Science implied. Boy did this deliver!
4) Always love to watch Doc being dismissive to to anything annoying him. Typical Doc.


Off-topic: Very disappointed to see Venture Bros. is no longer on the nightly [as] schedule. This show deserves much more exposure; a new generation of [as] viewers can only fall in love with this show if regularly exposed to it.
Super Off-topic: Was binge-watching the series in preparation for the new season and couldn't remember where the extra intro-scene for The Family That Slays Together, Stays Together-Part 1 was hidden on the DVDs. Hopefully my fellow Venture Bros. fanboys can help me find it.
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I assume for Hank being spooked, it was one of those twin/clone things. That or he's chipped, so he's getting feedback from the system.
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4 months ago
  • by Captain V
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The "lost" S3 opening you speak of is actually on the S4 blu-ray.
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4 months ago
  • by gnormie
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off topic: interesting tidbit from the Art of Venture Bros book that went on sale.

General Manhowers the guy in the government Rusty is always trying to sell stuff too was a member of the Boys Brigade with Phantom Limb and Professor Impossible. He's the Ben Grimm looking guy with the V on his shirt. This comes from the entry for Now Museum - Now You Don't.

(I always thought the guy with the V on his shirt was going to turn out to be Sgt. Hatred)
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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That's a pretty awesome 'Brooklyn'/Dan Turpin reference.
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4 months ago
"I still hang around...never lost, but found..."
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4 months ago
  • by Hot Panda Milk
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Why did the colonel dart Rose?
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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That information is on a need to know basis, and Rose doesn't need to know about that chapter of the original Team Venture.


Plus, they're still kind of old-fashioned in their views towards women.
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4 months ago
  • by Captain V
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The big reveal at the end of this episode blew me away.

I really like how Helper is looking at the PROBLEM light in "Party for Tarzan" for one quick shot near the end of that episode. Great foreshadowing.

I never thought they'd actually bring THAT character back from the dead.

Bravisimo!
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Well, is he really dead though? Sort of a 'how measure a man' situation. The real question is why that song? I get that it has sort of a Thriller vibe but was he into that sort of stuff or what?
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4 months ago
  • by Captain V
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I just meant he was dead on paper. Dead to Rusty and everyone else and so on and whatever.

Obviously, still secretly alive as a head... in a pseudo-coma.

Anyway, I'm really excited for August 19th now... b/c all will be revealed in "Arrears in Science".
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Me too, if Comcast gets it back in time. I'm guessing if they continue with things, we're going to get a Max Headroom type of interaction.
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4 months ago
I'm curious to know how Kano killed Jones Sr to the point that all that was left of him was his head.
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I personally doubt Kano was responsible for that. He said he killed 'a great man' and got silent when Brock asked him if he killed Jonas Sr. but they never confirmed that he did it. My guess is that Jonas Sr. was in the same plane crash that killed the original Blue Morpho. If Kano really was responsible for that, he wasn't always such a crackerjack pilot.
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4 months ago
Kano did get silent and looked away as if he was ashamed of who he killed, which I do believe is Jonas Venture Sr. Of all the Orb related stories, we know that Brock backed off from killing Rusty over it, Sandow broke the Orb instead of breaking Colonel Venture's neck, but as for Kano and Jonas....I do believe he did it.

As for the Blue Morpho, due to events that take place in episode 2 of the new season I cannot comment without bringing up some spoilers....so that discussion will need to wait until it airs or probably after everything gets wrapped up in episode 3.

Still, I am curious as to how Jonas was killed that all that remained of him was his head.
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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My vote is still plane crash, even if it had nothing to do with the Blue Morpho revelation coming up next episode. He could have been badly burned from the neck down or gotten into a Brazilian soccer team situation with only the PROBLEM to keep his head alive.
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4 months ago
Maybe the same way Deadpool tried to kill himself in the second movie, by blowing him up so that only his head was left. Alternately, Perhaps Jonas Sr committed Hari Kari and Kano, as his second was obligated to chop his head off.
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4 months ago
Because when Bud Manstrong told the legend of Phantom Spaceman, it originated during a movie night where they showed Sharky's Machine on Gargantua-1.
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Yeah, but what about Sharky's Machine or that song set Jonas off in the PROBLEM? Was he a Burt Reynolds fan or into that kind of music?
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4 months ago
I have to rewatch the episode to be sure, but I don't think the song itself "woke" Jonas or set anything off; rather, I took it to simply be part of the haunting. If the movie/song was playing at his time of death, it makes sense that if he wanted to communicate with his family/Team Venture, he'd use methods with an obvious associative impact (and indeed, as soon as Billy mentioned "Street Life," Col. Gentleman and Action Man knew exactly what was happening).

That said, I can't actually remember what, if anything, triggered Jonas/PROBLEM to become active again, so maybe I'm way off.
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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That brings up another question- how did they know "Street Life" meant the PROBLEM was active? Were they there for the original Phantom Spaceman movie night?
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4 months ago
That's a good question. We still don't have a complete picture of who exactly was there and what precisely happened on Gargantua 1, but I have a feeling we're going to be getting some questions answered in S7E03. I have a hunch that members of the original Team Venture were all there, for reasons yet to be revealed.

If not, then another possible way to explain it is that, since whatever happened on movie night became something of a notorious incident --- within Rusty's social circle, anyway --- they could still know enough details to put two and two together. But I think some bombshells are gonna be dropped in episode 3 of this season.
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4 months ago
  • by ChebGhobbi
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Check out the film's soundtrack.
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4 months ago
Yep, caught that as well!!
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Very nice. Glad to see so many of my favorites return, especially the original Team Venture. They make everything better. Don't know if Hank's plan will work or how Wide Wale managed to capture whoever that it is (I'm doubting it's Monarch for some reason). I'd love to find out more about Chief Justice but that one's a long shot. As for the big reveal, I'm more interested in seeing how it happened than how it'll be resolved but knowing Jackson and Doc, I doubt we'll get too much into it.

Sucks that I couldn't watch the TV premiere (Comcast still hasn't given CN back). Anybody who watched it on TV, did Jackson and Doc have witty repartee during the commercials? They usually do during premieres.
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4 months ago
No Doc and Jackson appearance at all, sorry.
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Oh well, not as much of a loss then.
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4 months ago
Yeah nothing at all except the new episode and regular ads. I recorded it but I'm on the 8th view so I think I can definitively say [adult swim] did not have premiere specific bumps. I was mad I didn't even see any "New Venture Bros.' coming up" bumps other than the trailer ads they had been showing for a while..
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4 months ago
is it going to be a 5-ep. season?
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4 months ago
10 episodes..
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4 months ago
  • by Destroyo
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More foreshadowing in Red Means Stop: "Why are you on the bad-guy side?".

Copycat is stlll out there tasked with the job of framing The Monarch - just sayin'.
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4 months ago
  • by DenverGuy
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Further confirmation of the location of the origianl venture compound:

The Order of the Triad has been staying at "The Rancho Feo (ugly ranch) Motor Hotel", which Doc identifies as "That shit-hole out on I-25"

Back in "Venture Libre" HELPeR was spotted hauling ass down Highway 285 (see capsule on this site). The two highways meet in in Denver and Santa Fe, so it would make sense that the old venture place is somewhere between the two cities.

We will ignore the fact that they seem to have driven the Blood Vessel (good name) to New York in a very short time. Dean clearly called Orpheus first thing.
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4 months ago
I don't dispute your logic (good eye for geography!), but if that's the case, why does the Blood Vessel have Illinois license plates?
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4 months ago
  • by DenverGuy
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Good catch. I think Jefferson is from the South Side of Chicago:
(Operation PROM): "She's from the south side! We were almost neighbors!"
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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What was up with that anyway? I know there's a lot we don't know about Jefferson, but a limo doesn't seem his style.
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4 months ago
Doesn't seem so to me either but a Limo is a big vehicle and he was a tank commander in the Marines.
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4 months ago
I think it fits with the blaxsploitation theme, especially with the flashy cross on the front.

For reference, Dolemite drove a '74 Lincoln Town car (looks a lot like the Blood Veesel, but his was white)
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I can see that. I keep forgetting that he has roots in Blacula as well as Blade.
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4 months ago
I thought the Blood Vessel was a hearse, not a limo. Check the back end as it drives up.
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4 months ago
Good call-back to "Escape to the House of Mummies Part II" where we found out Rusty's great-grandfather was a milliner. "The Great Venture Millery Fire of 19-aught-7" probably also means the great-great-grandpa was a miserly industrialist type. The scrap bin catching on fire is probably a reference to the Triangle Shirtwaist factory fire, though that was not started by a zeppelin.

"Holy Hat Factory!" indeed
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4 months ago
  • by Rented Mule
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Could the zeppelin be one of the ones in the battle between Colonel Venture’s group and the forces of Tesla and his Avon Ladies in “ORB”? Although the date of 1908 doesn’t fit with Oscar Wilde being at the battle since he died in 1900.
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4 months ago
Or did he? Dun - Dun - Dunnn!!!
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated.


Although that was supposedly Mark Twain, but still an applicable quote.
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4 months ago
Mark Twain was on the Zeppelin too.

(I'm sorry you smell like spoiled fruit) Phantomas has a point. (How dare you, sir! I smell of freshly cut flowers.) Not that. Look, all of us have devoted our lives to perfect and protect the ORB, but we're losing everything. I can't even afford another suit. Same suit for the last five years. (Samuel The ORB is a source of untold power)
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Yes, but Oscar Wilde isn't attributed that quote and Mark Twain could potentially have been on the zeppelin if he died in the Venture Bros. reality when he did in our timeline. Oscar Wilde couldn't, and yet he may have been if Rented Mule's theory is correct.
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4 months ago
I think he was a milliner... Yeah, awesome callback catch.

H/Vatred as a tour guide is hilarious.
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4 months ago
I've long held the theory that Jonas didn't really die. I guess I was semi right.

*Episode 2 SPOILER* - When we learn that Red Death and some other guild members had infiltrated the crew of Gargantua 1 and were present at "Movie Night" to kidnap Jonas I'm betting it was Jonas who opened the cargo bay doors, because he'd totally let his own guys die to save his skin. Phantom Spaceman!
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4 months ago
I'm on my sixth view, some notes:

Colonel Gentleman says: Rusty, that's your pop-pop.
Which has before been used to mean grandpa (when he talks to Hank and Dean) so is Rusty really his son? or an early Hank/Dean prototype?

When Dr.V.Sr. talks it sounds like he did in Careers in Science. Were Rusty's hallucinations after he hit his head actually telepathic conversations with his dad trapped in the Progressive Biological Life Extension Module?

H.E.L.P.eR. once again at the center of the Phantom Spaceman although they didn't reference PS this time. And spewing rats!

Obvious Indiana Jones reference at the begining. (I think? been awhile since I saw it, could definitely be another movie, goggle is very unhelpful at the moment anyone know what the opening reference is? The Mummy? Stargate? That one Futurama episode?). Just glad we get to see Swifty and JJ and Hector again. (I used to be pretty)

The Careers in Science throwbacks were great. Sharky's Machine! Thaddeus gets the Rusty Venture show over and over. Even Brock seems to break (HELPeR bringing him more coffee in the morning is awesome).

Did we know how Sirena was spelled before? Or is it misspelled here?

When Pete White talks about different programing languages, almost everything shown on-screen is COBOL (I think, sixth look indicates ASM and other stuff too) which he doesn't mention. "A digital patois".

"What about that Blue Morpho character?", Billy: "I think we can rule him out" --- Billy still thinks Rusty is the BM.

Professor Pete's Patented Pink Pilgrim Cyber-Snooper, We'll root him out and shut him down.

Vincenzo's is a great scene, but the red shirt and pizza delivery? Is this a Futurama homage?
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4 months ago
The Pascal reference might cover the stuff that looks like COBOL as I only got a quick look. Time to start taking screenshots.
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4 months ago
That Uber driver backs up out of the building at the end, but he's in the drivers seat which means he was the one to make the crazy smash through the wall entrance with original Team Venture.

License plate on car with Al and Jefferson and Byron (who is astral projecting to Dean at the moment)

Illinois Land of Lincoln
BLD VSSL
(Red registration sticker with no text or numbers)

So: Blood Vessel as in the blood vessels in a human body (vampire reference) and also vessel like a car or boat or whatever, transport/conveyance

Clara-tin discussion? someone with more knowledge should explain this.

How did Wide Whale get the Blue Morpho/Monarch? is this some decoy Hank master-plan?

Dr. Venture still hates the Magic explanation, like Escape From the House of Mummies, Part II.

Home is possessed. Like Dr. V was in Assisted Suicide.

Hank's pizza is a Trojan Horse, see: later they eat it and are shown collapsed on the group. I think he put a roofie in the pizza.
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4 months ago
Question about O.R.B.
So, when Brock is asking his car about Orders Regarding Bodyguard (aka ORB aka Operation Rusty's Blanket) he asks about the termination clause and then gives his ID number Two Delta Nine Romeo Tango Eight, then the car tries to kill him "Agent. Samson. Brock. Terminated." Did he put out the hit on himself?
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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It seemed that way, though the popular opinion is that Mol messed with his car during Assassinanny 911 to get him to take out her rival mercenaries.
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4 months ago
Claritin-D, like a lot of "daytime" drugs, has pseudoephedrine in it as a "wakefullness-promoting agent" to counteract the drowsiness caused by the active ingredient. A lot of people find the effect uncomfortable, jittery or even paranoid. Jefferson succinctly says he gets the Jimjams.

Notably, Jefferson also had the Heebee-Jeebee's in "What Goes Down Must Come Up", though that was an unrelated result of being skylarked into a mares nest.
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4 months ago
Wide Wale getting Blue Morpho will be addressed in the next episode. Don't want to spoil it but you will get an answer!
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4 months ago
  • by Destroyo
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The opening scene is a ref to The Exorcist - that's the statue of Pazuzu.
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4 months ago
  • by ChebGhobbi
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That's always been the spelling of Sirena. I assume it's a reference to the Sirens.
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4 months ago
Also, Sirenia is a scientific name for sea cows, including manatees and dugongs. Supposedly comes from sailors mistaking them for mermaids, so it all goes back to the same place. The Ong brothers do love their marine biology.

I kept thinking that Sirena could breath water, but she must just be able to hold her breath for a long time like all the other "gentle aquatic mammals".

Here's a pitch: Dolphins and such can hold their breath for so long in part because they're brain and other organs can enter a sort of low oxygen mode, kinda like low power mode on your phone. Now in "It Happening One Night" Sirena held Hank underwater with a kiss, and we figured she was breathing for him, like mermaids do in a bunch of other movies. Maybe she hypnotized him into a relaxed state so he could stay under for longer. It would go with the whole siren thing, and an attractive lady that hynotizes people is classic cartoon and comic stuff. She could call herself Sirenia and have some sort of sexy sea cow outfit.

"That's classic comic stuff! You're like captain- you're all... Aquaman!"
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4 months ago
Hey, if you don't mid my asking, are you also 'That Denver Guy' from the let's play videos on YouTube and you've on occasion teamed up with Dangerously Funny to play Stardew Valley? Just wondering.
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4 months ago
Nope, just a guy in Denver. Globeville, to be specific.
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4 months ago
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I don't know if you can make sea cows sexy. I'd support a mermaid style outfit with hypnotic themes (concentric circles, flashing colors, etc.).
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4 months ago
Last season cleared showed Sirena with gills (though I could be wrong) but I do recall her saying she had to immerse herself in water a couple times a day.
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4 months ago
On my 5th (or 6th viewing, I lost track) I noticed that when Billy entered Col. Gentleman's apartment you can see the Jade Dragon (or an approximation thereof) on the end table to the left of the couch. This was last seen being acquired by the Blue Morpho from Dr. Z in 'A Party for Tarzan'.
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4 months ago
  • by Captain V
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I'm not surprised, and it was expected... but damn, the ratings for the S7 premiere are not exactly great.

Top 50 Cable Telecasts:

#15 - Venture Bros. S7 Premiere - 0.660 viewers per million.

I understand things are going all streaming, early online release, lack of promotion, lack of reruns, blah blah blah. I just mean that number seems bad when you look at R&M getting 2.5 million viewers.
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4 months ago
Dang. I don't understand the number of people whom (I think it's whom because of the "to" coming up but I don't know) when I talk to them about Venture Bros. has either never heard of it or is like meh, when the Venture Brothers to me is proof that God exists and that he loves me.

I think (hope) that [adult swim] has understood over the years that yes, VB doesn't get the greatest ratings but has a solid hardcore and that Quality improves their brand over all, also I think they might be fans themselves.

In other news, Since the PROBLEM light seems to correspond to Jonas being awake and it first came on in Careers in Science [1x02] (We're here. || So what's the problem? || The light went on. || Oh, that's helpful. || And... that's never happened before.) and crashed shortly thereafter in Guess Who's Coming to State Dinner? [2x09] I wonder if Jonas crashed Gargantua-1 to get back to Earth.

(I haven't seen episode 2 so if it's answered there I wouldn't know)
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4 months ago
  • by Captain V
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I see Robot Chicken still averages one million viewers and it just finished its ninth season in July. Ultimately, the new AT&T overlords may not understand the low ratings, compare the show to mega-hit R&M, which is similar in many ways, and want V Bros. gone. According to the artbook, it costs well over one million to make two episodes. So, probably around 750k per episode. AT&T Turner Broadcasting may not want to keep paying for it going forward.
However, Mike Lazzo could potentially keep it going as long as he wants though.

Basically, I wouldn't be shocked if season eight of V Bros. is the final one.
or
Mike Lazzo could keep the show going into the 2020s.

Only time will tell.
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4 months ago
I'd be fine with season 8 being the final season (maybe a 9) IF they wrap it all up right. Not that Doc and JP would ever do this, but you don't want the show to keep trudging along past it's prime a la Simpsons, South Park or *gag* Family Guy.

Also, I would hope the execs would take digital sales into account. I pre order the seasons on Amazon and watch the eps on Mondays when I get home from work. A coworker of mine waits until the season is complete then buys it on iTunes or such and binge watches them all in one or two nights.
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4 months ago
From what I've heard a big reason VB has lasted this long is because of its profitability so I assume digital sales are included in that as well in addition to merch.
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4 months ago
Hey, if anyone is interested the VB wiki for this episode (and the site in general) could use some contributors, if you're into that sort of thing. I'm just so-so at it, but I've added some info here and there. I've put up some category headings and added the first two tidbits for 'Connections to Previous Episodes'. Feel free to add some updates of your own to help make it even more awesome! I know you guys are real good with spotting things and the cultural references and all.
https://venturebrothers.wikia.com/wiki/Venture_Brothers_Wiki
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4 months ago
The title animation for this season, of the boys making snow angels, could also be read as them making butterflies in the snow. I wonder if this presages the revelation that they are really the Blue Morpho's children, which would make them the Monarch's brothers.

Or, Rusty is the Monarch's brother (or half-brother) which would make Hank and Dean the Monarch's nephews.

I'm curious just how dead is Jonas. His brain was described as being in a coma. So could he come back? And wouldn't that be some fresh hell for Rusty.
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4 months ago
  • by Captain V
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I think the mere fact that the show has entered season seven inspired Jackson and Doc to finally unleash some of the biggest revelations the entire series has seen.
It definitely felt that way towards the end of the season premiere.

I think we're all in for many, many more big reveals all season long.
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4 months ago
  • by Captain V
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Watch the second episode of VB7 right now:

http://www.adultswim.com/videos/the-venture-bros/the-rorqual-affair/

Wooot, go-go Jaws parody the fits the Wide Wale and Blue Morpho stuff a little too good.
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4 months ago
  • by Magnegro
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When Al showed up at the Venture tower and said "New York just like I pictured it. Skyscrapers and everything" Is a throwback to Stevie Wonders hit song Living for the City.
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3 months ago
The star of Sharky's Machine has fallen today, let it be noted...
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3 months ago
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