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"O.S.I. Love You" Discussion

It's time for the weekly Venture Bros. season five discussion thread, now with slightly less tardiness. Today's episode is "O.S.I. Love You", be sure to rate it on the episode guide page after you've watched it! As always, people will be spoiling things in the comments so if you don't enjoy that sort of thing you should keep out until you've seen the episode. Enjoy the episode!

Shirt Club: This week's shirt is an OSI crest shirt.
"Mostrolov?"

"Molostro?"

Another awesome episode so far.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:11am
"Molostro" sounds like some unspeakable sex crime.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:58am
  • by Jake
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It is an unspeakable sex crime
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:46am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Worse than a Rusty Venture though?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 3:02am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Well, this is definitely a re-watcher. 11 minutes in, and already so much info. And I want to know about that golden blonde and Headshot.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:13am
Definitely. I will wait to discuss details until after the rebroadcast--too many spoilers--some folks may miss the first one.

But . . . wow.

Just . . . wow.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:28am
I've got a feeling this episode's gonna be resting comfortably on this site's Top Ten Episodes list for a long time. I'm not even sure where to start!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:29am
That. Was. Amazing. AND WOW NEXT WEEK?!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:28am
This may be one of their best ever episodes . . . and when we consider the competition that is quite an achievement.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:29am
  • by Captain V Bro.
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One of the best episodes ever, duh!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:31am
Loved every minute of it!

I totally called that Hunter would hire Molotov, and that 'precogs' are in the episode. Who knows how long O.S.I. will remain the highest payer. The investors seem very loyal to the Guild, killing Monstroso to protect them. Learning Bowie isn't the Sovereign is cool. Hank's muscles atrophying was GREAT.

I have GOT to watch this one again immediately (on my DVR)!!!!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:33am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Not sure the Investors even are Guild though, at this point- they seem to have some sort of darker purpose.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:36am
Yeah. They seem to make deals. Trades. And they come to collect. Monstroso received the heart from King Gorilla--who traded freedom for it. Monstroso never really indicated what he paid for his heart--perhaps he still "owed."

Perhaps Doc and Jackson do not know what to do with them yet!

Nice explanation of the "You killed my father!" "After you killed my partner" story. Still waiting on the eye. . . .
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:42am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Though a great use of the eye- hiding a tranq dart in the empty socket.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:00am
In Pomp and Circuitry they are on the stage when Dr. impossible gets there and are referred to as "our friends from General Consolidated Insurance", so I'm pretty sure they are the Guild.. Possibly their right hand men.. It would make sense for them to infiltrate the guild now that their sole mission is to take down the guild.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 5:05am
  • by Ghobbi
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Wasn't the explanation that Monstroso gave them access to Guild monies? Maybe they decided to bump him off because he was no more use to them. Or maybe they saved him off-camera to use him again.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:35pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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He's a big guy, and there are tons of ways he could survive- Impossi-Car pickup (which would mean a new Revenge Society member), a giant mattress (why not), tractor beam (from Gargantua-2 or whomever). The point is, I want to see a broken and bleeding body before we count Monstroso out.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:16pm
could be the upcoming funeral
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Jul. 3, 2013, 7:25pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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They could just be using the Guild as a front. They've probably impersonated Guild officers as well, and there's so many secret societies/leaders in the Guild that nobody questions it.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:18pm
If you asked me, I would have hated the idea of the Sovereign not actually being Bowie.

But the shapeshifter idea combined with the sudden treatment of that idea being as ridiculous as it was, is hilarious.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:43am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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That means that Bowie's got some connection to the Sovereign, though. He may even be one of the 13, which now that I think of it, leaves many questions. Who picks council members? How do they know when to meet via telescreen? Is there an order of seniority, in case of abstention in voting? Probably get some of those answed in Bot Seeks Bot.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:49am
Just re-watched. Didn't find anything new, but I DO wonder what will come of all the O.S.I. secret files that The Investors have stolen. At least The Investors think Molotov is dead.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:59am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Nah, they know too much to believe any of that. They probably just wanted to see what everyone was going to say, make sure no sensitive info gets released.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:02am
Oh I agree that that was priority #1. It's the secondary stuff I'm talking about.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 9:07am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I doubt the files are of much use to them- they knew everything that happened because they were there. It just looks more official to take papers with you when you leave a debriefing. Hunter probably gave the real Misters a copy of everything as well.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:21pm
Thoooooouuuuuggggghhhh . . . if the Sovereign is not really Bowie . . . then why would he make Watch and Ward contact Iman when he went out in search of Phantom Limb?

Perhaps there is a problem with having Bowie as a "real character." Say if someone wants to make a "Sovereign Doll" . . . sorry . . . "Action Figure." Well, technically, it is Bowie and "his people" may not grant permission.

Probably over-thinking this.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:52am
Maybe he lives with the real Bowie, or had plans with him? After all it sounded like Bowie's fond of him, whomever he is, putting him on the covers of Diamond Dogs and Pin Ups. So I guess they have some kind of actual business relationship, and are probably in touch regularly.

And now I'm over-thinking this too.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:13am
  • by Great Lincoln's Ghost
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That's along the line I was thinking too, maybe the Sovereign and Bowie just share a life, or perhaps the Sovereign replaced the real Bowie at some point in the past.
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Jul. 8, 2013, 6:34pm
  • by beb off-site
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Since the file and debriefing they gave Mr. Frost, etc was designed to blow smoke in the eyes of Washington, I doubt that the Investors got much of any OSI secrets/
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:02pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Ok, so great episode. Glad that Mol's got an in for future episodes. Really creeped out by the Investors, hope they don't come back, now that the Monstroso situation's no longer 'up in the air'. Who knows, he could've survived though- there's always a weird chance. Shame about the nozzle though.

Also, the return of Ted next week!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:34am
I know I'm not saying anything new or groundbreaking here, but this episode was so, so, so good.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:35am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Anybody else get an Assisted Suicide feel from this episode? Like, we're never going to get the full story but something crazy definitely happened here?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:38am
  • by beb off-site
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I concur. Everything in the episode was planned to get the feds off Gathers' back. It's hard to know when they were lying and when they weren't.

I thought the first time Brock met Molotov he and Gathers were on assignment in Paris. And not this apparently earlier encounter at the 88 (?) Olympics.

Mol and Brocks scene in Operation PROM seemed pretty definitive that Brock was done with her and yet here she is, again.

How stupid is Gathers to hire a mercenary knowing that there will always be someone out there willing to pay more for her services that he can.

The sovereign isn't "really" Bowie thing proobably has something to do with toy marketing because previously there was a big music themed aspect to the Guild with people like The Big Bopper as council members,

If Tank-Top and the others were all suspected double-agents, why was Shore leave placed in charge of them? Is he a suspected double agent?

It was nice to see someone give The Nozzle what it deserved.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 8:04am
"I thought the first time Brock met Molotov he and Gathers were on assignment in Paris. And not this apparently earlier encounter at the 88 (?) Olympics."

I'd have to rewatch Assassinanny but as of right now I don't see much of an issue. That was Brock being trained, and the first time he met her. This was Brock on assignment, which presumably came afterward.

I haven't checked anything so I'm curious...did this episode specifically say it was his first time meeting her? Also, did either episode specify a year?

Again, not trying to nitpick, I honestly can't remember. I do know they referred to it as "The Goodwill Games" though, instead of the Olympics, so I think that's a different event.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:04am
I liked a lot about the episode, but you've identified some of my problems with it.

First, Hunter's decision to hire Molotov--even to dispose of a half-dozen dangerous double-agents--is insane. He could've left the job to Brock and Shoreleave, who are more than capable. And hiring her on a more permanent basis just to have an agent off the payroll? That's even crazier. I understand the desire to have a "deep-cover infiltrator" that O.S.I.'s enemies won't suspect, but I'm with Brock in believing that Molotov can't be trusted, no matter how much the O.S.I. is paying her.

Second, one of the show's running jokes is that the Guild is a haven for older rock stars. In addition to the Big Bopper and Buddy Holly, we've seen Klaus Nomi and Iggy Pop, and we've had references to Iman (Bowie's wife), "Eon" (a take on Brian Eno), and Eon's "warm jets." To me, the Bowie-isn't-the-Sovereign reveal undercuts much of what we've learned in the past.

I'm not sure if the Bowie-isn't-the-Sovereign thing is all about toy marketing. You're right that you can't use someone's image/likeness for commercial purposes without authorization, but marketing a toy that simply looks like Bowie would probably still run afoul of the rule. You can make limited use of someone's likeness for news purposes or parody, though, so the show could probably continue to use Bowie as it has in the past.

Whatever Doc's and Jackson's reasons, I wasn't thrilled about that development. But I love Bowie. I'm probably just disappointed by the possibility that he's not really an ultra-cool supervillain.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:13am
  • by Kait
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I actually think the Bowie-isn't-the-Sovereign thing might be massive misdirection, and that they may have just paved the way for Bowie himself to show up.

Completely hypothetical, but if they did get Bowie's attention/involvement, having him voice the Sovereign long-term could be problematic in the amount of time he'd need to invest. But voicing the real Bowie - who's pulling the Sovereign's strings - wouldn't require more of a commitment than a single episode and would leave Urbaniak's Sovereign free to run amok as they see fit.

Keep in mind that this entire post is coming from the tiny part of me that is both incurably optimistic and comprised entirely of lunacy, so take it with a boulder of salt.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 11:18am
There is also the possibility that Monstroso was lying about Bowie/Sovereign the whole time. It could be that his loyalty truly lies with Bowie. Or that he thinks the shapeshifter story is the truth, but that is simply a misdirection spread by Bowie himself. In the Venture-verse, no possibility is too implausible.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 11:27am
  • by Ghobbi
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We saw the Council of Thirteen together on Phantom Limb's balcony in Shadowman 9, so we know that the Council not knowing each other's true identity is false.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 11:59am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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We saw shadows. They could have been robots built to resemble the general shape of the council members but with no defining features otherwise. Though the fact that the rooms the councilmen are in during teleconference are close enough for Phantom Limb to crash two and the crucible chamber says that it wouldn't be hard for them to find out who's who. Might be more of a respectful privacy than for security's sake then.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:30pm
The thought that Monstroso was lying occurred to me, but Brock himself seemed certain that the Sovereign isn't really Bowie, so I dismissed it.

Now the idea that it's misdirection to set up an actual David Bowie cameo? That I hadn't thought of. If they can somehow get Bowie to do a guest voice on the show, I'll forgive my problems with undercutting previous plotlines!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:24pm
He said that he was testing Brock to make sure he wasn't a double agent. Him about to kill Molotov was proof of his loyalty, I guess. Probably the same for Shoreleave when he was up against Mol. Though I don't know why OSI double agents would not try to kill an apparent escaped enemy in order to prove their loyalty. My only thought there is that Molotov was valuable to the Guild for whatever reason so they wouldn't kill her but instead bring her (and Monstroso?) back. I need to watch it a second time. It's also not clear to me exactly when Hunter struck up that deal with Mol. Was it when she came onboard the ship or was it before the prom or somewhere in between?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:09pm
  • by Ghobbi
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Yeah, was the whole relationship with Monstroso a cover as well (at least as far as Mol was concerned)? Is that how Mol managed to pretend to be the rookie SPHINX member? In which case did Mo sacrifice the Blackhearts because Hunter had already got to her by that point? My brain aches.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:40pm
Maybe I missed the point, then. I thought Hunter was telling Brock that this strange episode had been a test (1) of Molotov's abilities; and (2) of O.S.I.'s defenses. As Molotov eliminated the known double-agents as per Hunter's orders, she passed. But as she ran riot all over the O.S.I. hover-base thing, O.S.I. failed and needs to beef up its internal defenses.

I didn't catch that the test had anything to do with Brock or Shoreleave. In fact, I thought Molotov's kicking of Shoreleave into the closet with the "premos" was to get him out of the way. She could then do her job without risking injury to Shoreleave. As for Brock, Hunter seemed genuinely panicked that Brock might kill Molotov. His frantic running/yelling leads me to think that Brock was never part of the test.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 8:32pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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That was my understanding as well. As for when, I'd say well before prom- Hunter vouched for the rookie in Pomp And Circuitry and I assume Mol was always the rookie, so he had some sort of plan in place with her. As for whether Mol had feelings for Monstroso, no idea- he probably treated her well, so she must have liked that much.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:40pm
Nope, you're exactly right. I just rewatched the end portion. However the point about when Mol was hired still stands.

Her being hired by OSI during SPHINX doesn't seem to make sense though, mainly because SPHINX had no involvement with OSI until Tresiter put Hunter in charge. So I would assume whatever she told Brock during "Prom" was accurate but then Hunter hired her sometime pretty recently, perhaps even during this episode. That's also why they needed her to be deceased, since she was technically escaped and there was no other way for her to be in the position they wanted her to be in.
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Jul. 2, 2013, 11:37am
  • by kalbmains
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Maybe they didn't want her dead because they were trying to allow her to escape. After all, Tank Top did blow that hole through the door allowing Mol to retreat a bit.
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Jul. 2, 2013, 7:52pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Shirt Club's here! And it's appropriately awesome!

http://www.titmousestuff.com/products/venture-bros-shirt-club-no-5-o-s-i

Yes, it is OSI and Warburton's wearing it.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:45am
How old is Warburton these days? He looks bizarrely good, considering David Puddy was around 15 years ago.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:21am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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48, which is still pretty impressive. The guy stays active, I'll say that.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:46am
holy shit!! this one was amazing.easily one of the best and definitely the best season v ep so far. i was seriously dying over clue clown
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:17am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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You think he has a clan?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:44am
Well played The Mysterious 'H' . . .


. . . well played.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:02am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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That's what I believe they were going for anyway.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:09am
  • by Ghobbi
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What are the odds that when we see him he's cross between Pierrot and a Klansman?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:41pm
also, i think i missed something about this ted person. who is that?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:23am
  • by Captain V Bro.
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The teddy bear Ted, that Dr. V thinks kidnapped him.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:26am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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  • by BillyQuizBoytheMegoManiac.
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BEST EPISODE EVER... SO FAR!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:25am
that was insane. wow.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:40am
Amazing episode, easily best of the season so far. There were also so many great one-off characters this episode. Headshot, Amber Gold, and Afterburner might even return.
Sadly we also lost Bum Rush, Tank Top, Shuttlecock, Afterburner, and Slap Chop. Good night sweet princes, we hardly knew ye.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:45am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Especially Bum Rush.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:49am
  • by Jake
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And tank top. poor poor tank top
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:51am
I liked him, too. But I loved Brock picking up his apparently lifeless body and using his tank gun to blast the automatic door!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:28pm
Was "Tank Top" another MST3K ref? :)
http://movies-and-mst3k.tumblr.com/post/29059958634/mst3k-season-2-episode-4-catalina-caper
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Jul. 2, 2013, 1:09pm
  • by Ghobbi
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What happened to Bum Rush's dog-thing? It wasn't in his trolley in the corridor scene; he appeared to have weapons in there instead.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:42pm
  • by Great Lincoln's Ghost
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Yeah, maybe he wan't a double agent like Bun rush, and is still in OSI and will show up later on. Can anyone think of what a guy in a dog suit could be a parody of something g.i.joe/shield-y?
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Jul. 8, 2013, 6:39pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Might be overthinking this but did 'Snoopy' (the guy Hunter gave the wheel to near the end) look somewhat like Bill Melendez (who, among other things, voiced Snoopy, the Peanuts character) to anyone else?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:12am
  • by beb-off site
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I thought Snoopy looked like the boyhood friend from The Rusty Venture Show, the Raj stand-in.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 7:42am
  • by The Tick
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Moltov always leaves you guessing!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:43am
  • by Bert
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Simply one of the series finest episodes.
I can't wait for the final three shows of season V!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:44am
This raises I think the most important question of the series thus far: the guy who started the trivia craze and wanted his companda back... Sovereign or real Bowie?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 3:03am
  • by Jon
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Jackson (and everyone) really hit this one out of the park, bravo good sir.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 3:58am
  • by Dinobot 2
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Best of the season so far!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:00am
  • by Ron
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This episode gives me hope for season six!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:12am
  • by Blixa Barfgold & Homeless Travel Pillow Patsy
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-------Bum Rush, Tank Top, Shuttlecock, Afterburner, and Slap Chop---------. I miss them! Hope they return as super loyal double agent kmart greeter cyborgs.
Thought Monstroso was a LaVey type character. Not so sure with all that hair! Anton was a baldie after he donned the pointy horns.
Anyone else think Clue Clown is Sovreign doing a stand in with his Ashes To Ashes straight to video acting outfit? No? A shape shifting Investor?
Stretching here.


Mind blitz of info and fun, thanks Manta Claus!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:28am
I'm convinced Clue Clown is Ned in his Clown Shaped gundam appendage
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Jul. 6, 2013, 12:50pm
sooo.. Before Molotov broke out she has complete freedom of movement with her hands. She took off her eyepatch with her right hand and grabbed the pin with her left hand... Why did she need the pin if her hands were free?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 5:23am
  • by LavaLamp
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I think she was given the profiles of the double agents Hunter suspected (or maybe confirmed). If Amber Gold wasn't on the list, she might've just wanted to knock her out to make it easier for Mol to move out quickly and more quietly.

Maybe.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:43pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Speaking of Amber Gold, who is she a reference to? I want to say Black Widow (because of the sharpshooter boyfriend) but I'm not sure.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:46pm
  • by beb offisite
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Anyone else catch Dean joking about Hank jumping off a roof when he was playing The Bat and killing himself. How does Dean know that? And the bigger question is what happened when only one of thr boys got killed. Did they just pretend that he didn't get killed or did Brock have to go in and kill the survivor so the new clones wouldn't suspect anything.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 8:21am
That's a good question. How does Dean know about that??
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Jul. 1, 2013, 9:11am
didn't ben tell him everything?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 9:32am
I wouldn't expect Ben to have told Dean how he and Hank died each time. But I suppose it's possible.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:04pm
  • by Ghobbi
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Maybe the contemporary Dean witnessed it, and then Doc brushed it under the carpet and produced a clone with a suitably (i.e. not very) convincing cover story.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:36pm
  • by Anthropomorphic Cow Named Stan
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were the boys witness to the zombie attack in the Halloween episode, i cant remember? If so this could explain how dean would have an idea of one of their deaths.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:18pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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There's probably security footage of it somewhere and Dean got all snoopy after he found out he was a clone.

That, or Hank jumped off the roof in the Destiny suit and Dean made a very apt comparison.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:45pm
  • by Great Lincoln's Ghost
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That's what I was assuming. Rusty probably didn't do to good a job of hiding the evidence of the deaths (like security footage etc.) So once Dean knew the truth he was able to do some digging once he knew what to look for, and probably found out much more than Rusty wanted. He was home alone during "Venture Libre" so who knows what he was able to find out without everyone around.
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Jul. 8, 2013, 6:44pm
  • by midnightradio
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better question: how does HANK know about that? in the season three finale, when he's talking to the french assassin in the Batman towel, he mentions he jumped off his roof in a Batman costume. but then says he might have dreamed it. So it's a thing Hank remembers doing, even though it caused him to die. so what does THAT mean?
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Jul. 2, 2013, 9:48am
I think the format jackknifed the tension in this one slightly...it feels a bit like the structure of the episode was decided first, and then the writing came in and it would have benefited from a continuous heightening of suspense rather than cutting back and forth...

...but that's a nitpick of the highest order. This episode was fantastic...I haven't laughed so much all season. Absolutely loved this.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:00am
  • by Paul
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Hank also (sort of) remembered dying as Batman, as he told the story to Le Teur in Family That Slays Together.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:40pm
I think that was meant for another comment. :D
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Jul. 1, 2013, 8:03pm
Some things I loved about this episode:

1. Apparently, Brock's first partner in the O.S.I. was MacGyver.
2. Brock first met Molotov in '86, while both were posing as athletes at the Goodwill Games. That makes Brock, like, 50 years old. Under the circumstances, he's holding up pretty well (much like the real Patrick Warburton).
3. Hank's atrophied limbs. Oh, and the condition of his S.P.H.I.N.X.-issued t-shirt and shorts after weeks of refusing to remove the suit. Hilarious.
4. Bill Hader as Headshot. I hope we see him as Professor Impossible at least once this season.

I liked a lot more about the episode, but those are the things that stand out after a first viewing.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:54am
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Brock is a couple of years younger than Doc - remember he was a freshman in Past Tense. That puts him at about 45 today by my reckoning.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:44pm
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Assuming he was 18 when he joined OSI. We know he left college shortly after joining.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:44pm
Fair enough. I was just estimating. Regardless, he looks for a guy who's probably suffered every kind of trauma in the book. And who's becoming an increasingly heavy smoker. Blessed with good genetics, I guess!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:37pm
Sorry, looks GOOD for a guy . . . .
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Jul. 1, 2013, 5:50pm
Agreed. Brock is probably closer to 45 than 50. We've known Brock as been around a while (he spent most of the boys' lives at the Venture Compound), so we knew he was over 40 for sure.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:12pm
Yeah, from the looks of it, I don't think we will hear a single thing from the Revenge Society this season.It's a darn shame, too. It seems like there are just so many plot threads dangling around, there are too many to address in one season! Kinda makes me wish this one wasn't so short...
Oh well, on to season 6 I suppose!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:46pm
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My thoughts exactly. I thought Killenger would flyin and whip the Revenge Society into shape by now, and they'd be back.

Oh well, season six is still coming.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 3:24pm
i don't think we can rule it out just yet. the descriptions of the other episodes are still pretty thin. we haven't seen any screen caps of them or anything, but it could still happen. i would love to see fat chance again
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Jul. 1, 2013, 5:34pm
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Well, we know he's going to be Flying Squid in one of the upcoming episodes, so there's that. Didn't even recognize him as Headshot, though.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:48pm
Great episode, I love that Hank's Destiny suit continued on a few episodes past its first appearance. Please please please if they don't mention it before hand, someone ask Jackson & Doc about the Bowie thing at one of their convention panels. That was the only part of the episode that I disliked. :(
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:57am
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Poor Monstroso - he's appeared in four episodes, and in each one we've either seen him ostensibly killed, or he's been ostensibly killed just after the episode. Guy never gets a break.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:03pm
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He's kinda a dick though- master of the double cross, used the Investors for personal gain (his King Gorilla heart), had sex with the one girl Brock could never get over, knowing he was in full view of Brock. Not sure he deserves to die but I don't feel sorry for him.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:52pm
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Well, he used the Investors to save his own life; I'm not sure that's such a bad thing. In The Silent Partners I thought he was genuinely likeable. And while he could have forced Billy to operate on him on pain of death he actually returned the favour with a diploma and three prostitutes. He clearly has some amount of honour and fair play.
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Jul. 2, 2013, 8:00am
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Honey over vinegar, my friend. And Billy already owed the Investors for those disability checks, so the diploma and prostitutes are just a signing bonus for Billy paying his debt with a well done heart transplant.
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Jul. 2, 2013, 4:47pm
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I hear a lot of people on here talking about plotholes. "why would Hunter do that?"

My lore knowledge may be fuzzy, but it's always seemed that while Samson looks up to Gathers as a father figure, it's not exactly mutual. I suspect Gathers intentions may be dubious. Hasn't he misled Brock in the past?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:12pm
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I wonder if Cardholder and Doe weren't pawns to be sacrificed, that the real mole was Hunter.

Mol did try to kill Shoreleave, no doubt about that, and she dropped a plane on Brock. Are they double agents too?

You could argue that the real purpose of SPHINX was to eliminate Guild competition. If you don't join the Guild, you die.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 12:51pm
I don't think so. Mol held onto her distraction until she had to face Shoreleave, and then used it immediately. And Mol always throws everything at Brock because she knows he can take it. Brock is her only equal. It's basically foreplay between the two of them.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:08pm
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Cardholder and Doe clearly weren't good guys, they outright said as much.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:38pm
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I cant really remember, was it ever stated if Cardholder and Doe were killed?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:15pm
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What was shown was that Skypilot and a bunch of other sphinx agents popped up out of the fake Monstroso and pointed guns at them. Unless all those guys were triple(quadruple?) agents then at the very least Cardholder and Doe are in some secret jail somewhere getting tortured.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:34pm
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did anyone else catch the Bill Clinton reference?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:20pm
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Bill Clinton reference? Was there a "oh so important!" cum stain somewhere in the ani-blitz?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:48pm
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nah, it was Brock stating that he " Did not have Sex with that woman!"
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:13pm
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YES! He said those exact words! "I didn't have sex" is POTUS doublespeak meaning "She blew me & held my cigar".
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:42pm
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oh, I always wondered how they could have such an intense relationship without consummating it in some way.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:12pm
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It's always cold in Siberia ...
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:55pm
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What is the exact nature of your relationship with the woman Molotov Cocktease?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:54pm
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If the investors truly are unaffiliated with the Guild, maybe in the future we will see some kind of team-up between OSI and the Guild in order to take them down
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:40pm
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They'd have more luck taking Killenger down. Speaking of, possibly he and the Investors are on the same team? They have similar methods and goals.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:56pm
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So if Brock was still a rookie in 1986, would four years be enough time for the whole billy backstory to play out, and then to finally meet up with Doctor Venture in 1990?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 1:45pm
So....does Molotov still have her Black Hearts? Or did they all die? If the latter, you'd think she'd be pretty pissed off at Dr. Venture.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:14pm
  • by Ghobbi
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There were only ever six, not including Mol and Hunter. They're all gone.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:41pm
They were all turned into bugs and then killed!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 3:29pm
I know, which is why you'd think she'd be hating Dr. Venture!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 3:53pm
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I thought she was bluffing in the Prom episode. If you remember Brock goes into sphinx base to make it with one of the escorts and that's when Molotov attacks. The girl is genuinely afraid and Molotov tells her that if she wants to live that she should run away. These things indicating that this actually was a prostitute and had no idea who Molotov was.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:31pm
  • by Ghobbi
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Watch TFTST,ST or BOTF,HOS. They're clearly the same characters. She was afraid because her boss had pulled a knife on her for leaving her post and (almost) seducing Brock.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:41pm
This was my interpretation, as well.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:43pm
  • by Ghobbi
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Come to think of it, they appear in both parts of TFTST,ST but not in BOTF,HOS.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:45pm
On his LiveJournal page, Jackson has indicated that the girls in "Operation: P.R.O.M." were indeed Molotov's Black Hearts:

"Let's further remember that these were not innocent sex workers, but heartless mercenaries paid to murder everyone in the room for money, in order to spring a known felon from custody."

I'm not sure how to properly link things here, but the web address is as follows:
http://jacksonpublick.livejournal.com/29998.html?page=6#comments
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:43pm
I know Jackson said that, and he co-wrote the episode but I think think he's wrong.

The scene in Sphynx HQ doesn't make any sense unless the escort was just a hooker.

Mol says the escorts were supposed to start helping everyone at Midnight. It was after midnight when Brock arrived at the hanger and no one was killing anyone. They were turning into bugs but even then they were no apparent attempt to kill anyone.

And in Cleansuit one of the escorts survive till morning in Rusty's bed. Apparently, again without trying to kill him.

Saying that the escorts were her Blackhearts seems like a dodge to get Brock to leave her alone while she prepares her escape.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 6:57pm
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Watch The Family that Slays Together, Stays Together parts 1 and 2. They're clearly the same women.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 7:31pm
The girls don't start executing anyone at midnight, sure, but I think we're meant to conclude that they don't because Rusty's Spanish Fly is working on them. After all, these women--who before showed no interest in Doc, Billy, etc.--are now having a great time, dancing, and in the case of Pete White, doing other things! The joke, I think, is that Rusty's special proprietary blend works for a while but then has a tragically unexpected side-effect.

As for the bug-girl that survives, I think the joke is that the Spanish Fly concoction is still working on her. And that Doc may have been so drunk as to have sex with her, six legs, wings, antennae and all!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 8:15pm
I agree with your first comment.

With the second . . . EWWWW!
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Jul. 2, 2013, 12:02am
I know. Maybe Doc got in the S.P.H.I.N.X. mind eraser before the Monarch blew it up. Let's hope, anyway.
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Jul. 2, 2013, 1:45am
Hunter didn't want anybody to tell the 'Misters' much, but they all sure did sing like canaries (except for the Molotov involvement/role/position). How much of what we watched can we accept as canon?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:20pm
At one point Headshot appears that he wants to sexually assault Molotov (only to find out it's Amber Gold). He was also was controlling of Amber Gold. I guess he's just a d!@%.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 2:20pm
Totally, but I loved what Bill Hader did with the part. He made him see like such a sleazy, oily guy. I think he makes a great bad guy.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:46pm
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Headshot, double agent, Mol's lover (?).
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Jul. 1, 2013, 5:30pm
Jeez, the idea never occurred to me. I'd last, like, five minutes as an O.S.I. operative. I'm just not devious/clever enough to be part of that world.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 5:54pm
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Maybe. He seemed more one of those 'my work comes first, but I enjoy the touch of a woman' type guys to me. Unless the Guild could offer him a once-in-a-lifetime hit, he's staying with OSI.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 11:01pm
  • by Venturestein
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I was just listening to the commentary for older episodes a couple days ago and they talked about having a third guy to join up with Mr. Dough and Mr. Cardholder named Mr. Yourname. God I love this show. I'm already excited to listen to the commentary on the season 5 dvd.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 4:28pm
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"Yourname Here", said with Russian accent
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Jul. 1, 2013, 7:40pm
Just watched it again.

I just have to say again, this is Jackson Publick at his best. Bravo.

LOVED it.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 8:26pm
Was Al naked in Triana's bedroom?
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Jul. 1, 2013, 8:45pm
I'm guessing when he moved in with Orpheus, he moved into Triana's room.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:08pm
  • by Captain V Bro.
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He sure was!
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Jul. 1, 2013, 10:11pm
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Yeah, glad they're giving Dana Snyder so much to do lately. He's become a regular Paul Boocock.
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Jul. 1, 2013, 11:03pm
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A good guess with some unconscious remembrance; I'm pretty shortly after The Better Man (I think maybe during Everybody Comes to Hank's) it was explicitly stated that Al had moved into Triana's old room.

I got the impression Monstroso was lying, that seems to be his thing. But what the Investors' game is, I can't guess. They do seem Killinger-esque. Although ghosts ... I mean who wants to rule out Henchman # 24? And who knows with Hunter - he seemed genuinely surprised that Travers would sign him up, and Travers proved (stunningly) not to be villainous at all.

And then there's the Origin of the G.C.I., the orb, the Revenge Society, and the odd one - how they all turned up at the same meeting when "Zero" attacked in Any Which Way But Zeus, at Travers' beck and call. Some big secret they've got going there ... the Revengers have great motivation and style, but they're actually (in spite of how we were introduced to them; successful super scientist, high-ranking guild rat, and evil nation ruler) a sad middle-aged lot. Like, "Rusty Venture" levels of sad. Like, kind of pathetic failures compared to The Monarch levels of sad.
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Jul. 2, 2013, 7:43am
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Just realized from the title 'Bot Meets Bot' that upcoming episode featuring surveillance on a Guild Councilman COULD be Doctor Z; didn't he adopt the little Astro-Boy?
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Jul. 2, 2013, 7:47am
  • by Ghobbi
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The guy in the robot suit and the guy in the eyepatch, high collar and spiky yellow helmet are almost certainly Council members.
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Jul. 2, 2013, 12:21pm
After a re-watch, a few other things I loved about this episode:

1. Thirwell's updated take on the spy movie theme.
2. Paget Brewster as Amber Gold. I had no idea it was her until I checked the end credits. I'm so used to her "Thrilling Adventure Hour," pre-war Hollywood voice that I missed it.
3. Hatred's measurements. 48 triple-Ds. Holy jeez.
4. Dean's drink of choice this season? Orange Fanta.
5. Shoreleave's "Teen Beat" pin-ups.
6. All the hot action scenes. Those were some of the best in the show's history.
7. Something no one's really talked about: Hank coming to bat for "Uncle Vatred." I don't know how far Molotov was willing to go to complete her assignment, but it certainly seemed like she was aiming directly at Hatred. If not for Hank/Destiny, the Ventures would have been in the market for a new bodyguard.
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Jul. 2, 2013, 6:06pm
Add in Brock's moose-call yell when he sees Mol straddle Monstroso!
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Jul. 2, 2013, 8:01pm
Hahaha. Loved it. I should have included it.
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Jul. 2, 2013, 8:08pm
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Birdgirl!
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Jul. 2, 2013, 8:12pm
Man, I'd forgotten about that. I haven't seen "Harvey Birdman" in years. I'll have to put it on my re-watch list.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 12:18am
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Definitely worth a rewatch. I recommend getting the DVDs, because there's some great special features and it makes it easier to catch all the running gags.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 1:10am
I thought Hank rescuing Hatred and calling him family was a really sweet moment, and it showed how far he's come since refusing to acknowledge Hatred as his bodyguard. Of course, Hatred was knocked out so he didn't even hear it.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 2:53pm
My thoughts exactly. It looks as if Hank cares enough about Hatred to risk life and limb to save him. Of course, he's still only marginally competent as a hero, but I think you have to give him props for trying.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 3:49pm
Yeah I agree you guys. I always like Hatred, you know... despite the fact that lots of the internet doesn't. Uncle Vatred is really getting fleshed out. The "Mad Pierrot" flashback from ep. 2, the bonding between him and hank this ep, but not forget him and Dean in the previous one. "you're the best dean" That was also really sweet, i think. ALSO McCulloch's acting for hatred is totally underappreciated. "you're loosin 'em doc." "too many cigars for these ol' lungs" - Sublime!
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Jul. 6, 2013, 12:41pm
  • by Blixa Barfgold & Homeless Travel Pillow Patsy
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This movie has a TON of O.S.I., Doe & Cardholder (Dragnet) type banter. The Magnetic Monster 1953.


http://www.oh-the-horror.com/page.php?id=1065
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Jul. 2, 2013, 6:23pm
  • by TheGrandInquisitor
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That episode was insanely aweeeeessssoooommmmeeee!!!


IGNORE ME!!!
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Jul. 2, 2013, 9:09pm
I find it odd that the OSI, or at least Brock, doesn't seem to know about the Council of 13. Hatred was in The Guild and switched sides. Didn't he know? He claims to have told the OSI all of The Guild's dirty little secrets. And Dragoon / Red Mantle were at the think tank in Any Which Way But Zeus.
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Jul. 2, 2013, 9:12pm
Good point. Hell, even Billy may have some awareness. After all, he was kidnaped by Phantom Limb/Revenge to graft one council member's head--Dragoon's--onto the body of another--Red Mantle. In his time in their presence, Billy probably heard enough to piece together some general ideas about the Guild and its ruling council. And Billy could have shared his knowledge with Brock at any of several times (e.g., following his transplant of King Gorilla's heart into Monstroso).
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Jul. 5, 2013, 12:51pm
Did they give the name of the OSI agent in what looks to be an astronaut suite (second from the right in the pic above). I heard Tank Top, Bum Rush and Shuttle Cock.

Also, I'm guessing Bum Rush was probably modeled after some homeless guy that Doc and / or JP saw in NY, just as Jefferson Twilight was.

Also, also it would have been way cool to see more of a fight between Mol and Shore Leave.
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Jul. 2, 2013, 9:19pm
Answering my own question here as I just rewatched the scene. The astronaut guy was Shuttle-Cock and the guy in the blue and gold martial arts costume was Slap Chop.
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Jul. 2, 2013, 9:44pm
No one has cataloged the parallels between this episode and the first half of The Avengers movie. OK, there are not that many plot points that overlap outside of the whole everything takes place on a helicarrier scene and the guy in strength suit falls into the turbine, but here's my list of character parallels:

Avengers -------------- O.S.I. Love You

Nick Fury -------------- Hunter Gathers
Capt. America -------- Sgt. Hatred
Iron Man -------------- Hank/Destiny
Tony Stark ------------ Dr. Venture
Hulk -------------------- Brock Samson
Bruce Banner -------- Bumrush
Black Widow --------- Molotov Cocktease
Hawkeye -------------- Headshot
Maria Hill -------------- Amber Gold
Thor -------------------- Brock Sampson
Loki --------------------- Monstroso
Agent Coulson ------- Mr. Frost
Jarvis ------------------ H.E.L.P.eR.
Stan Lee ------------- Ted Turner

The Investors are also very Whedonlike villains being a cross between The Gentlemen from Buffy and The Idea Men from the Tick.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 12:11am
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This episode is the third time the guys have walked back developments in Operation PROM. The first two were in Cleansuit when Hatred's reconciliation with Princess Tinyfeet is aborted, and then Gary, after being drafted in Sphynx is left behind when Sphynx returns to OSI. The third development was when Brock said he was through with Mol and now she's going to be a regular "comrade." It's like PROM was written to be the series ender but once they got renewed they've had to deny a bunch of stuff to make the series on-going.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 8:00am
I think they had already been renewed when PROM was written.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 8:21am
  • by Ghobbi
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I was thinking exactly the same thing; they gave Brock something resembling closure and gave Hatred a happy ending.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 1:49pm
Chronologically - These past few episodes take place before the Halloween show, and thus well before the conclusion of Cleansuit. Spanikopita takes place at the anniversary of Jackie O's wedding in Greece, which as Mike pointed out in the capsule was Oct. 20th and lasted 3 days. Hank got the strength suit in the previous episode, S.P.H.I.N.X. Rising, and was still in at at the beginning of Spanikopita and for most of O.S. I. Love You. He must have had a speedy rehab as he seemed perfectly fine and mobile in the Halloween show. So the question is, which remaining episode, if any, takes place after the conclusion of the events of Cleansuit?
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Jul. 3, 2013, 8:34am
osi love you is definitely after halloween since dean seems to know about the cloning.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 10:42am
I'm pretty sure all but the Halloween episode take place after the conclusion of "Cleansuit." In "Venture Libre," for example, Dean is sleeping in his attic bedroom, the one he moved into in "Cleansuit." And in "S.P.H.I.N.X. Rising," Gary is in charge of S.P.H.I.N.X., to which he was given the keys/lease in "Cleansuit." So I think they all take place afterwards.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 11:28am
But Spanikopita starts on or about Oct. 22nd and Halloween is Oct. 31st. Also, Billy is drinking a Hot Mummy at the start of that episode. Not that that proves anything but it seems like a Halloween season type of drink.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 4:57pm
The first Spanikopita took place on that date but we don't know when Doc goes back there every year.

Also the three most recent episodes definitely take place after the Halloween episode because Dean knows (and mentions) that he's a clone. They could potentially take place before the post-Halloween portion of "Cleansuit" but I think they're intended to be chronological.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 7:31pm
Hmmm. I see your point. The events I cited occur early in "Cleansuit," so don't preclude other episodes taking place before its end. Still, I don't think there's any question that we're supposed to believe the episodes we've seen this season--with the exception of the Halloween episode--take place after "Cleansuit." Let me try again.

"Cleansuit" ends with the Ventures, Billy and Pete, and Gary coming together to retake the E-Den and thwart the interns' planned uprising. At that point, (1) St. Cloud has joined the Guild and chosen Billy as his arch; (2) Billy and Pete have beaten St. Cloud in a single-question quiz-off, and are now in possession of walking eye-H.E.L.P.eR.; and (3) Gary is still in charge of S.P.H.I.N.X. (or at least living on the compound and wearing his S.P.H.I.N.X. gear).

In "Venture Libre," we see Dean restore H.E.L.P.eR. back to his original, non-walking eye condition. So at the very least, the final scenes of "Venture Libre" take place after the conclusion of "Cleansuit."

In "S.P.H.I.N.X. Rising," we see Gary assemble his team, which includes Hank/Destiny. By episode's end, we see the O.S.I. and the Monarch--acting independently, of course--destroy the flying Khafra monument and the S.P.H.I.N.X. building on Doc Venture's property. Because Gary is still living on the Venture compound and acting as S.P.H.I.N.X. commander at the end of "Cleansuit," we can infer that this split-screen destruction scene takes place prior to the end of "Cleansuit." As further evidence, we see several shots of the Venture kitchen and living room, but no Palaemon interns. This is circumstantial evidence, to be sure, but I think it's valid.

In "Spanakopita," St. Cloud is already acting as Billy's arch (Dr. Venture says as much). Moreover, he makes mention of the quiz-off scene near the end of "Cleansuit" ("It's as debatable as your eBay "Top Seller" rating . . . ."). So despite your point about the dates, the episode has to take place after "Cleansuit."

Finally, in "O.S.I. Love You," we see non-walking eye H.E.L.P.eR. flying the X-1. As mentioned above, Dean restored H.E.L.P.eR. at the end of "Venture Libre" (i.e., post-"Cleansuit"). Thus, this episode takes place entirely after the events of "Cleansuit."

If I had to guess, I'd say you've discovered a continuity error. It's possible, though, that the events of "Spanakopita" take place, not in the same year as "Cleansuit," but the following September.

Apologies for such a long post!
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Jul. 3, 2013, 8:02pm
Jeez, I wish I could edit the above post. In the section on "S.P.H.I.N.X. Rising," I meant to say "we can infer that this split-screen destruction scene takes place AFTER the end of "Cleansuit." Sorry for the confusion!
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Jul. 3, 2013, 8:06pm
Yeah, I see your points. I do agree now that the last few episodes came after Cleansuit, but I still think the guys messed up on the date of Spanikopita and just didn't catch it. I doubt they'll pull a Tolkien though and rewrite an entire chapter because they realized they were off by one day in the lunar cycle.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 9:06pm
You're probably right that they just didn't catch it. I seem to remember they wrote "Cleansuit" last, so it was probably a bitch to deal with all the continuity issues. And even if they caught it at some point in production, there may not have been any viable solution.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 10:16pm
Thought I spotted Ted Turner sitting next to Gorbachev during the Goodwill Games part of the episode - always love when Jackson and Doc add a little bit of realism to their story lines.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 12:26pm
Mol's dad, The Siberian Husky, had one green eye and one brown eye as some Huskies are apt to have. I'm too tired to look up the condition right now that can occur in some breeds of canines and also in humans, but it seems Molotov did not inherit the trait.
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Jul. 3, 2013, 9:09pm
the timeline for this season sure is confusing.

But what I'm trying to figure out is when exactly do Brock and Shoreleave wear those cool Tuxedos from the "Behind the Music" spoof.
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Jul. 6, 2013, 12:46pm
I'll bet they had a 'what the f*ck?' moment when they saw the Avengers a year into production for this season.. The flying aircraft carrier getting engines blown up is either a direct reference or it's pure coincidence
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Jul. 21, 2013, 10:29am
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