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Hey there dudes and dudettes, it's time for your weekly Venture Bros. discussion thread. Here's the place you can talk about the episode (or show in general) with your fellow Venture fans. As always, people will be talking about the latest episode, "Bot Seeks Bot", so there will probably be spoilers. Stay away if you hate spoilers! If you love them then by all means read away! Also don't forget to rate the episode after you've seen it to see how it stacks up against all the greats of Venture past.

Shirt Club: This week's shirt is the Council of 13.
Sweet Council of 13 shirt!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:04am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Seth Green! If anyone at Adult Swim is on the Council, it's him.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:35am
Perhaps he'll shout "Silence!" at an awkward moment.
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Jul. 18, 2013, 6:06pm
the munsters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:09am
  • by Blixa Barfgold & Homeless Travel Pillow Patsy
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You all realize the bug samurai is this guy, sorta http://tokusatsu-supersentai.blogspot.com/2012/10/kamen-rider-skyrider-1979-1980-arsenal.html

Kamen Rider is a huge thing in Japan.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:10am
  • by gnormie
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So he's not Bug from the Micronauts?

http://www.comicbookreligion.com/img/b/u/Bug_Micronauts.jpg
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Jul. 15, 2013, 8:15am
  • by Blixa Barfgold & Homeless Travel Pillow Patsy
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Wow, didn't even think of that. Fan of the orig first 3 issues too.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 9:35am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Doom Buggy!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:14am
Don Hell's!!!
(there was a bar/club in NYC called Don Hill's that closed down a couple of years ago)
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:13am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Very sweet so far. A lot of correct fan guesses so far. Great to see Hodgman back as Snoopy again. I'm a bit suspicious of him though. Also, I got a different answer for Boggles' final riddle. Hilarious how Dr. Z wears all those prosthetics in his chamber.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:14am
I felt that way too, about Snoopy. I think it's because he's pretty much just a better version of the "new guy" from last season, who turned out to be Molotov?
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Jul. 17, 2013, 3:20am
The robot small-talk scene--I almost wet myself. So good.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:14am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Awkward doesn't even begin.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:15am
BRICK FROG!!!!!!!!

This is a Doc Episode isn't it

Steve Albino!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:18am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Nope, Jackson.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:27am
This was a Jackson episode as well? Goddamn, the past few seasons have usually erred towards Doc written episodes in sheer volume, but Jackson has killed it this year.

I was assuming next week was a Jackson given that it's a Team Venture episode, and Doc has traditionally never wrote those, so it'll be interesting to see where the credit ends up.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:05am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Almost definitely a Doc episode. Jackson's had four already this season and they try to balance the load as much as possible.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:14am
Right, and they've kept to the every-other-episode format so far. Two Jackson-written episodes ("Spanakopita" and "O.S.I. Love You") aired in succession, but that was probably due to Doc's Halloween episode airing before the official season five premiere. A Doc-written finale would even things up at four apiece.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:39am
  • by CircleStripes
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Finales tend to be written by the both of them, but we'll see.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 6:05am
That's totally possible. I'm thinking the co-written premiere took the place of the usual co-written finale, though. "Cleansuit" was actually written last (i.e., as if it had been a finale).
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Jul. 15, 2013, 9:24am
  • by BedBug
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I think premieres are usually co-written, too.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 3:48am
They have been, yes, but that was in the context of a 13-season episode (or in the case of season four, a 14-episode season). My guess--and it's only a guess--is that the guys decided to go with only one co-written episode, namely the hour-long premier. If the finale is co-written, Doc will have only three solo-written episodes to Jackson's four. Oh, and Doc's been focusing mostly on the boys and Gary. From the episode synopsis and the sizzle reel clips that have yet to air, it seems that the last episode will continue in that vein.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 11:32am
  • by CircleStripes
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O hey, you were right. That was a really Hammer-type episode, reference to old teen shows and all. Now, I really just want to jump into season six.
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Jul. 22, 2013, 12:41pm
  • by Captain V. Bro
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Brick Frog was killing it on the dance floor!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:34am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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So was Plug Face!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:37am
  • by Captain V Bro
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Ha, nice... he just stood around from what I saw!

But Brick Frog was getting down with his bad self!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 2:49pm
What about Vain Gloria and the guy with drill-hands? Jeez. Get a room, already.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 3:13am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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The monkey faced guy (I forget if they ever named him) too!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:09pm
  • by Ghobbi
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I've seen him called Omega Ape, although I don't know if that's an official name.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:38pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Yep, Jackson confirmed it a while back.

http://jacksonpublick.livejournal.com/20194.html?thread=2150626#t2150626
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:00pm
Ass to ass! Wow
(Requiem for a Dream)
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:23am
  • by Captain V. Bro
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Died of laughter from that one!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:34am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Wrong night, man. Who knew Dragoon was such a wild guy?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:36am
is there a cover?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:24am
holy shit balls!!!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:27am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I know!


Wait, you're talking about Killenger and the Revenge Society having video access to the Council chambers, right?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:28am
  • by gnormie
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It can't be a coincidence that the last time we saw Phineas Phage before joining the Council of 13 is him being beaten by Phantom Limb and Professor Impossible.

Phage is a mole!!!! Or a robot...a robot mole.

Boggles was killed by the Revenge Society to put Phage on the council.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 8:22am
  • by Ghobbi
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We last saw Phage meeting one of his Pro-teens who'd been imprisoned by Scott Hall. Prior to that he was in the Council chamber telling them of his encounter with Limb. I suspect his surviving their altercation and then informing them about him helped win him some favour.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:08pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Yeah, in a "don't sue us, and we'll pay you off somehow" way.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:10pm
I just had a plot twist aneurysm!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:30am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Wow, this is a crazy one! So much greatness! The return of so many greats, plus Flying Squid appears! Of course, I don't believe Rusty's dead but we'll see what happens. Though I'm impressed Doc was able to find Brock at Don Hell's.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:32am
Whaaaaat
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:33am
The last 20 seconds of that pretty much broke my brain
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:33am
  • by Captain V. Bro
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It was the best moment in T.V. history if you ask me.

I'm not kidding, at all.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:36am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I guess that deleted scene wasn't so non-canon, was it?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:38am
  • by Captain V. Bro
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Foreshadowing.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:44am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Knowing them, it'll be halfway through Season 6 before it comes up again.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:46am
Speaking of, did anyone notice Shore Leave wearing a Monarch henchman utility belt in his villain costume?? Could it be...?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 3:10pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Just another one of Brock's spoils of battle, since he fought countless Monarch henchmen before? Probably.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:12pm
Yeah. Venturestein ceased dressing as a . . . The MONARCH [!--Ed.] henchman.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 4:43am
  • by Captain V. Bro
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Without a doubt, the single best episode of the series.. thus far!

I screamed out loud when they killed Dr. Venture!

And I died of laughter at the end with Dr. Killinger!

I can't believe they beat Operation Prom, but they did!!!

I actually cried tears of joy!!!!!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:33am
  • by White Albino
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....Vendata is Monarch's dad. He was in a plane crash, put together by Venture and had a wife that died.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:34am
  • by Captain V. Bro
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That's what I was thinking too, how fucked up is that!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:35am
  • by White Albino
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Also, Rusty isn't dead, check the synopsis for next week's episode.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:35am
WOW. THAT IS INSANE. I'm a softie for robots/cyborgs getting hurt in shows...this makes it way sadder.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:37am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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That was also a Robocop reference. But I can see that happening. Monarch's dad was a pal of Jonas Sr., so it's not hard to believe Jonas would put him back together after the crash and something would go wrong.

But does that mean the Monarch's mom is a cyborg too?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:41am
  • by White Albino
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Putting loved ones back together is the Venture way!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:45am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Always room in the cloning chamber for one more.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:47am
  • by beb off-site
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Well, you know, fixing big booboos and all.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 7:48am
  • by Captain V Bro.
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Whaddya do when a loved one dies... cry!?!?!

NO!!!! You rebuild him, that's the Venture way!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 2:51pm
Interesting theory. I believe the timelines they gave for when Vendata was built would potentially coincide. The Monarch said the plane crash was when he was 8 and if he's around 45 now that would put the crash in 1976 or so.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:47am
  • by White Albino
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YES! OH. MY. GOD.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:48am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Wow, Monarch looks good for 45. But I guess you gotta stay in shape to arch, right?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:49am
Yeah, his abs are killer. He should market his routine. He'd probably make enough to get out of the arching business altogether.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:13am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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He arches for the hate, not for the money. He's got that sweet trust fund money to fund his operations.


Still, he should let us in on his secret. Unless it's lots of plastic surgery, which is possible.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:16am
Good points, all. I just think he should take advantage of those assets and get a piece of the sweet personal-training money cake.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:18am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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That would be pretty neat. He could do an infomercial in his down-time, maybe even persuade Gary to make a testimonial.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:25am
Since his routine involves [CENSORED--Ed.] Dr. Mrs. The MONARCH [!--Ed.] in various experimental ways . . . sign me up!




But leave out the moppets.







And the eels.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 4:45am
Some loser fantasizes about moppets.




And eels.
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Aug. 2, 2013, 10:54pm
Yeah, that was my thinking. A small addition, but wondering where his wife was suggests that she was in the crash as well.

And of course, the reason he got fired, but that's probably too obvious to mention.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:29am
Yeah, rewatch "Dia de los Dangerous", the Monarch says that all three of them were in the crash (he and his parents) but he was the only survivor.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 11:13am
They mentioned that he tried to kill Rusty as a kid. This could go several different ways:

- he believed the Rusty had something to do with the plane crash...most likely an accident

- taking revenge on Jonas Sr. for turning him into a robot

- taking revenge on Jonas Sr. for killing him and then turning him into a robot

I personally think it's a mix of all three.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:52am
  • by White Albino
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ooooooor....the hate for Rusty Venture is inheritable. lol
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:54am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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And then Jonas Sr. erased his memory after he failed, possibly in the learning bed, and planted a false one. But it still haunts the Monarch in a way he can't quite shake.


Wow, he really is very Green Goblin-esque.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:57am
  • by White Albino
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Rusty calls Vendata the metal murder man from his nightmares. Repressed memories!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:30am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Well, he did go berserko and try to strangle Rusty.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:49am
I think you've nailed it. And how tragic was it when his robot body was shattered and his humanity began to reassert itself? I wonder how much we'll find out about this next week.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:11am
  • by White Albino
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I mean, they're hinting about it all season. O.M.G
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:14am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Well, the humanity was never really repressed, it was just working alongside the cybernetics. That makes for a lack of relatability, I'd imagine.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:18am
  • by Ghobbi
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His O.S.I. file says that he was 'stripped of personality and former self'.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:05pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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There's more to humanity than a personality and a past, as the movie Robocop showed us. There's an intangible quality that can't be removed, no matter how cyborged you are. Unless you go 100% robot, of course, but then you're not a cyborg anymore.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:15pm
  • by Mairmoto
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That would make a lot of sense, considering that the monarch's parent's where Jonas Venture Sr friends, my head is turning with so many secrets revealing this season
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Jul. 15, 2013, 2:11am
  • by Mystery Person
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Wow...that's entirely plausible...Monarch's parents were killed in a plane crash in New Jersey, likely around the same time Venturion was created. And the photo from S.P.H.I.N.X Rising bears a fairly strong resemblance to the mugshot profile in Bot Seeks Bot. Similar jawlines, similar noses, similar builds and heights...

Interesting - but not at all implausible - that neither Doc nor Monarch seem to remember anything about this...

What an amazing wrinkle that would be...so what if...

What if Monarch learns there's no compelling basis for his enduring hatred of Doc?

What if Venturion is dead by Brock's hand? Does that make Brock the target of Monarch's vengeance, or is that too much of a stretch?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:00pm
That was my thought. I was hoping The Monarch would find out who VennData was and seek vengeance on Brock, thus becoming the villain he's supposed to be. Brock thinks The Monarch is a joke, so he'd never see him coming.
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Jul. 21, 2013, 12:32pm
  • by Ghobbi
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Vendata and the Monarch have the same nose.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:34pm
  • by Ghobbi
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'Where is my wife? Who am I? I think the plane is going down.'

Those were Vendata's last lines in this episode. I think you've nailed it,
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:53pm
  • by Great Lincoln's Ghost
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Definitely. I wonder if the monarch will ever find out the whole truth? That'll be a great episode.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 1:03pm
Good call Ghobbi! I thought it was just a Robocop reference.

This series is a MUST for DVD--not that, well, the others were not. I am going to have to watch it a few times to figure it all out!
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Jul. 17, 2013, 4:48am
  • by Captain V. Bro
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I know Rusty isn't dead because we see him in bandages next episode.. oh, well.

Let me pretend they had the balls to kill Venture.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:36am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Technically, it's only one ball but it's HUGE ....
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:44am
Are you implying the other creator has no balls? ;P
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Jul. 17, 2013, 4:49am
"I need more time, I've never taken this much girth!"
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:36am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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That's what he said!

I mean, it is.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:43am
WOW another great one!!! Can this show get any better?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:38am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Hey, you and your brothers weren't in this one at all, were they? Wow, been a while since that happened last.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:43am
Guess not!! I actually can't remember the last time that happened...
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:50am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Silent Partners, I believe. Near the end of last season but still been a while.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:53am
  • by Ghobbi
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We saw them looking in through the panic room window, but they got no lines in that episode.

There was a very Dean-like character in the background at Chairman Wao's this episode, however. But too far away to be certain.

Also, was this the first appearance of Rick Danger since Season 2?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:13pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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So, even further than that. Probably would be The Lepidopterists, way back in Season 3.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:18pm
Dean can be seen seated at a table in the background at the restaurant where Vendata and Ghost Robot first meet up. Look in the still above. He's to the left of the menu Vendata is holding.
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Jul. 18, 2013, 11:11pm
  • by Frank
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I hurt... this episode was so damn good.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:45am
So I just re-watched the Season 5 sneak peak, and holy cow were there still a lot of clips from it that haven't shown up yet this season. Are we sure the next episode is just a half hour, because from the looks of it, we still have to cover Hank and Dean with their godparents, flashbacks to the old Team Venture days fighting Brainulo, The Monarch with his weird new costume, as well as The Monarch doing that bit where he is being a dentist for Rusty, as well as any scene with Rusty in bandages. It just seems like it will be jam packed...
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:53am
Nope, it's a half hour. Also those could all be like six second scenes. They just take ones that are the best looking usually, not ones that are the most relevant. Also that thing is probably going to be more heavily weighted towards the first 5 or 6 episodes produced since I think it was made before some of them were done. Like I don't think it has any scenes from the premiere, though I could be wrong.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:59am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Well, they did say there'd be a flashback episode, so I guess this is it. One or both of the godparents must be from the origanal Team Venture and tell of the Brainulo fight and/or the Marathon Man/Mad Love dentist scene. And then Monarch gets a new costume to celebrate, maybe he's the one telling the dentist story.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:00am
  • by Ghobbi
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I'm calling it: the next episode uses the boys going to stay with the Action Man and Col. Gentleman as a framing story to reveal some secret truths about Rusty's past, meanwhile Dr. Mrs. The Monarch, as a newly-elected Councilman, learns these same truths. Rusty survived the accident but the Monarch is intent on torturing him; we're shown this early on in the episode and the whole 'presumed dead' thing is only from the perspective of the characters. Knowing the truth about Rusty and Malcolm's relationship, DMtM saves Rusty. Rusty sets off home, while Hatred, bent on revenge, travels in the other direction.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 2:31pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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I think Hatred's "reckoning" is for Brock and Shore Leave. They've treated him terribly and the tasing is the final straw. He wants to be taken seriously but somehow I expect him to fail but come to terms with it.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:20pm
  • by BENJI
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they've been pulling back the layers on the monarch's past alot this season, maybe the next ep will delve into that some more.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 1:37am
I remember reading something about a movie-like episode to take place between seasons 5 and 6. I think I read Doc and Jackson talking about their contract with Cartoon Network and they mentioned a longer episode after 5. If what I read was true, that could be where those extra scenes come from. It would also explain why there are only 8 episodes this season.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:58am
  • by beb off-site
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Their contract with AS was, essentially for 10 episodes. The Halloween special counted a one and the hour long premiere counted as two. So next week's ep will be the tenth and last of season 5. The special between seasons has been cancelled, according to the recent Slate interview so that they could get right into work on Season 6. I don't know what they're going to do with the money budgeted for that special. They could run a special after season six or they could just add an episode or two to season six. And as Mike says upthread, the outstanding clips add up to only a few seconds of showtime.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 8:06am
  • by Great Lincoln's Ghost
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I cant wait! Flashbacks to the old team Venture are always awesome.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 1:16pm
Was anybody else pumped to see the Revenge Society, even if was just for a few seconds? And Killinger's presence probably means that operations will be more serious/efficient. I hope we see some development on that front in season six.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:17am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Going back a previous theory that Killenger was working with The Investors, that would make for things being even more interesting.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:20am
  • by Captain V Bro.
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I was so happy to see THE REVENGE SOCIETY makes it's epic return!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 3:30am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Though Fat Chance doesn't have on his Revenge Purples! Really shows a lack of team spirit on his part.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:21pm
  • by Ghobbi
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Lyndon Bee and Lady Hawk quit in the Season 4 deleted scene. Is that why they were absent from this episode?

Not that I ever liked them; I thought they were uncharacteristically weak characters for VB.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:45pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Seems like it. I guess they're doing what they did with the Master scene from What Goes Down, Must Come Up- treat it as if it happened but we didn't see it for whatever reason.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:06pm
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He never got any b/c he's to fat.

I guess Ladyhawk Johnson and Lyndon Bee said fuck this shit, and left THE REVENGE SOCIETY!
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Jul. 16, 2013, 3:35pm
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Considering Galacticon's reputation, I would love to see him come back in some capacity.

That reminds me in a roundabout way, wasn't Ghost Robot's robot body destroyed in Any Which Way But Zeus? U.S. Steel was pretty heartbroken about it.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:23am
He got better.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:29am
The only true way to kill Ghost Robot is a magnetic exorcism.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:31am
Well he is a robot and a ghost, so they could just repair him. And the ghost part is already dead.

US Steel was probably just upset about how much it was going to cost to fix him.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:37am
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Ah, floated up towards heaven but got lost along the way.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:51am
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Think his name is a portmanteau of Galactus and Decepticon?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:46pm
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Or maybe he's a reference to the various comic book conventions and the bizarrities of the fans who troll said events.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:07pm
Regardless of the reasoning, I am glad to see Ghost Robot return.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 6:26pm
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When you first see him in this episode he has dents where 21 impaled him.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 7:50pm
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Next week.. RIP flying cocoon.

HATRED IS OUT FOR BLOOD!!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:00am
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Red Mantle (Buddy Holly) Dragoon (Big Bopper) Sombrero Guy (Richie Valens) Mommy Long Legs, Clue Clown, Vendata (Malcolm's dad) Dr Z, Don Hell, Steppenwolf, Wild Fop, Nervous System Guy, and 2 others. I guess Phage and Girlfriend are both up for Clue Clown's spot. I thought for sure Steppenwolf's silhouette was Stormfront last season. Nice to keep guessing! And suppose Ghost Robot is Malcolm's mom, Jonas's sister? Suppose the Intangible Fancy is Vendata's human side....anything's possible. Great to see so many season one guys. Plugface and Vaingloria are made for each other lol
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:02am
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I think Dr. Girlfriend is up for Vendatas spot since Brock killed him.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:56am
That was my interpretation, too. And if it's correct (i.e., if Vendata is actually dead), it makes his story one of the most tragic in the show's history. I genuinely felt bad for the guy when his his humanity took over, or the memories of his past came flooding back, or whatever happened at the end of the episode.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 9:00am
I think that was partly a Robocop reference and partly showing, once again, that Jonas Sr's status as a Good Guy was nebulous at best. My interpretation was that he found a plane crash victim and used him for an experiment.

The Vendata-is-Monarch's-dad theory is fairly interesting but I don't know if people are reading into it too much. Anything is possible with this show. They have been subtly pushing the Monarch family/Venture family dynamic for the entire season, so it'll be interesting to see if that pans out.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 11:21am
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Yeah, poor ol' Vendata was just a lonely guy with no friends looking for love. I feel he was pretty harshly dealt with this episode.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:16pm
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She was up for counsel man 4's spot. Vendata was #1. The new guy was #4. Dr. Mrs. The Monarch was just more awesome than him. Yay
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Jul. 15, 2013, 2:19pm
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It's never stated whose spot she got, but Phage was quite clearly the new Councilman 4. They went out to celebrate with him, and he was clearly made aware of the identities of half a dozen other Councilmen.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 2:33pm
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I am also of the opinion that Monarch's mom is Jonas sister. I don't want Rusty and Malcom to be halg-siblings (or full siblings). Doc already has a long lost brother he despises...no need to do that again.

I personally believe Monarch's dad was in the Boys Brigade. We saw a picture in seasons 3 and 4 and they included Professor Impossible, Phantom Limb a guy wearing a V on his shirt (who I had assumed was Hatred due to his love of letters) and this geeky kid in a boy scout uniform. I think Monarch's dad is the guy in the boyscout uniform.


I'd much rather have Monarch as Rusty's cousin than his brother.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 10:11am
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half...I mean half siblings
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Jul. 17, 2013, 10:11am
I've got a bad feeling about Shore Leave and his actions here.

Not only did he trank/tazer Hatred, but he urged Brock to leave Dr. Venture and was much slower than needed in cutting the disco ball of doom.

Molotov missed the real mole, or was paid to ignore him.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 6:37am
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After his years as Rusty's and the boy's bodyguard Brock is kind of invested in them. T Shoreleave they are just some very minor personages who waste the OSI's valuable time and talent. That's all.

I wonder if headshot's complaint about Shoreleave always gaying things up was the guy's way of saying maybe they;'re been overdoing Shoreleave this season.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 8:10am
She would have shot him if Shore Leave hadn't pulled out her clips to her guns in O.S.I. Love You.. And she was only supposed to kill the moles.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 8:16am
I like how you two are thinking. It's possible!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 9:12am
Possibly, but why would she not tell Gen. Hunter that Shoreleave is a mole? She has had plenty of time.

But who knows for sure!
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Aug. 2, 2013, 11:01pm
I interpreted Shore Leave's actions as a simple--and hilarious--plot device. I think it's in one of the season three commentaries that Doc Hammer jokes about the Jackson Publick school of dealing with a character you don't want to use/don't know what to do with: you "hit him with a wrench." Doc copped to doing just that when he wrote Jefferson Twilight into a Nickle Nips-induced diabetic coma. I think Shore Leave's tazing of Hatred was just a way to get the big guy out of the way.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 9:06am
Haha that's a good point. Hatred would have gone with Doc and Billy otherwise and kept Doc mostly out of trouble. Plus he probably knew about the club already.

Also the hilarious side-effect of Doc just leaving Hatred in the garage on his face. Good ol' Doc, still a dick.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 11:25am
Oh they're playing Jungle; that's soooo 90's!!!!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 9:13am
Random things I loved about this episode:

1. "Are you disappointed?"
"Ambivalent. Merely re-calibrating expectations. . . . There."
2. Headshot's constant attempts to assassinated somebody.
3. Billy's ventriloquist dummy routine.
4. Shore Leave's Brock-themed wordplay. "Fortress of Brock-itude, "Chew-Brock-a, "Brock Cousteau," etc.
5. Steve Albin-o.
6. Flying Squid inks onto Shore Leave.

I could go on. My expectations were pretty much off the charts for this one, but it completely lived up. This season continues to amaze.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 9:52am
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Question: at the Boggle funeral, is the kid in the back the jerk that's always giving shit to Dethklok in Metalocalypse? Ted Turner in front row also?
At Don Hell's: is that Bowie in his Rainbow Man outfit? Or Joseph and his Technicolor Nightmare Robe? Criswell in the bowtie? Phineas has to take his legs off at the club. Laughing throughout.

Just another reality TV show that no one is aware of at the end. How PKD!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 10:19am
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where were the venture bros?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 10:36am
The kid in the back at the funeral is a character named Rick Danger.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 10:43am
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And who was the little rodent guy at Don Hell's? I thought that was Hunter going back out in the field when I watched the preview (guess not.)

Brock messing around with Amber ... oh boy, what happens when Headshot finds out?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:14pm
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The rodent guy has been a background character for a long time. I think he first appeared in the Guild video where Wild Fop first appeared. He was also auditioning to join the Revenge Society,
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:19pm
And he was shown giving Col. Gentleman head during the freak-out scene in What Goes Down, Must Come Up.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:46pm
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So he was! I think he's had very minor roles in quite a few episodes.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:16pm
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I think he's also dating the green alien guy whose name contains no earthly letters.

I think they seemed amorous after reuniting at the end of Any Which Way But Zeus.

Sometimes I wish we could get backstories on some of these wonderful background characters. I personally had wondered about Galacticon before we learned his name (he looks like a Celestial from Marvel comics).

I'd really like to learn more about the drill headed villain...
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Jul. 17, 2013, 10:16am
I don't think anyone's really commented yet about the Brock/Amber thing. If it hadn't been hinted at--strongly!--in the episode, you'd have to assume that a lady-killer like Brock would be hooking up with Amber. That sets things up for a possible Brock vs. Headshot confrontation.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:05pm
  • by Ghobbi
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Just spotted Amber's sideways glance at Brock when talking about how everyone gets lonely, on like my third viewing. That was some skilfully discreet animation there.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:53pm
Season 5 was chock-full of little subtle animation like that; in OSI Love You Brock does the same glance when Headshot is asking weather to take out Molotov. Another one that comes to mind is the steam rising from Doc's coffee cup Venture Libre. Quality, not quantity!
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Aug. 3, 2013, 9:46am
  • by Doubting Housetom
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I think the insinuation that Amber isn't faithful has less to do with Brock and more to do with the power couple's infidelity in general. Amber immediately volunteered for a Honeypot operation, pretty eagerly, and we saw Headshot about to take advantage of what he assumed was a restrained Molotov in O.S.I. Love You.
I have a feeling they're the OSI's Daphne and Fred.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 2:10pm
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Yeah, seems like Headshot hasn't touched her in weeks. He's too caught up in his work. He has a very Richard Impossible quality to him. It would explain why Hader's voicing them both.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:26pm
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Yeah it seemed obvious Amber and Brock are sleeping together based on Shore Leave's comment and then Brock changing the subject. Shore Leave knows they're sleeping together...this is why is he screwing with Headshot.

Personally I think Shore Leave has a thing for Headshot...it's the way he teases him.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 10:18am
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Any ideas about the name of the FDR/Tony Montana supervillain? The one seen on the dancefloor at Don Hell's? He drew the winning chip in 'Wheel of Torture,' but Brock punched him...
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:02pm
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Tony Montana/FDR guy reminded me of Guy Caballero from SCTV--
http://youtu.be/yFzsYkdQwok
Dead ringer..

That "Ass to ass" comment made me laugh, 10 hrs later at work. "Whats so funny?" "Ass to ass" " You're fucked up man".
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:19pm
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Or the inspiration for Guy, Lionel Barrymore's character from Key Largo.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:29pm
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Boom! Didn't even consider that!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:35pm
Franklin Disco Roosevelt?
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Jul. 16, 2013, 12:40am
  • by Captain V Bro.
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That's what I got out of it.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 1:08am
  • by Ghobbi
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Oh, so O.S.I. weren't the ones to kill Boggles. I'm betting it was the Investors - as Brock said it's too convenient that the guy to die happens to be the one guy Monstroso fingered.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:22pm
Yeah, now it pretty must has to be the Investors. Do they work directly for the Sovereign, cleaning things up to preserve the Guild's secrets? Maybe we'll find out a bit more about them this week.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:58pm
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I have a feeling they are actually enemies of the Guild, and that their purpose in infiltrating O.S.I. was to steal information on the Guild. Although they could have just got it from Monstroso...unless they intentionally allowed Monstroso to think they were on his side so that they could make him give up the information to O.S.I...

But you could be right - they killed Monstroso because he gave away information on the Sovereign, the Clue Clown and the Council, and once the Clue Clown's identity was known he had to be gotten rid of...

I'm starting to warm to the Sovereign not being Bowie thing too...I never really liked the Big Bopper/Buddy Holly thing (especially as Red Mantle and Dragoon look and sound nothing like them). I did wonder at one point whether Vendata was actually Richie Valens - he was the only Councilman to try to come to Red and Dragoon's aid when they were attacked.

Could it be that the 'washed-up rock stars' thing is a cover story? I could totally imagine an evil mastermind having his henchmen take plastic surgery to look like Iggy Pop and Klaus Nomi in order to add credence to his David Bowie disguise. Plus Red and Dragoon got the date of the Winter Dance wrong, although Red's age did match up with Holly's at the time the episode was aired.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 1:22pm
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Yeah, I suspect them to be working with Killenger and the Revenge Society.


On a separate note, is it too out there to suspect that Monstroso is actually the shape-shifter Sovereign or at least one of his personalities? Considering he thought the Councilmen didn't know each other's identities and neither did the Sovereign in this episode, I'm thinking the Bowie form is for public appearances and the Monstroso form is for business purposes. Also, it'd be a good way for Monstroso to survive the fall- just transform into the hawk and fly away inconspiciously. Also, the title of next week's episode, The Devil's Grip, somehow makes me think Monstroso's involved.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:35pm
  • by Ghobbi
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That may explain why Brock seemed to indicate that Monstroso was present at The Monarch's wedding but we never saw him. He'd be a tough guy to miss.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:49pm
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Oh yeah, with the Snapple Facts. Good catch.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:10pm
  • by Ghobbi
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Blimey...king of the double-cross indeed, eh?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:33pm
  • by beb off-site
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Everything in the Venturverse is silly - the Guild, OSI, the Ventures themselves - except the Investors. Their ability to walk through walls gives them an almost unbeatable power while their motives and loyalties are completely unknown.

Monstroso knew (knows?) something about them since he traded with them for a heart. What he traded we don't know. But when he was captured he became a threat to the Investor's secrecy so he had to go. I think it's fair to assume that the Investors killed the Clue Clown. But why? Where they protecting Guild secrets from OSI or did they klll him because he was the one member of the Council that they knew about - having heard Monstroso's confession? It makes more sense to me that the Investors are enemies of the Guild then a branch of it. But until we know more about them... who knows.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 8:56am
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Yeah, I think they're just using the guild for their own means and have no real loyalty to it. They protect the guild as much as it helps them, but when the guild is no longer of use to them? That could be interesting.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 1:21pm
  • by Capatin V Bro,
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True, everyone in this show is a goof.

Except for a few badass characters like the Investors, and perhaps the Sovereign.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 3:38pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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That guy in the bear suit in Bright Lights, Dean City was about as ungoofy as you can get.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 8:52pm
  • by Captain V Bro.
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Yes, and him.. he's pure terror.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 1:07am
  • by Ghobbi
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There's always the possibility that the Clue Clown was killed by The Revenge Society, as well...
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Jul. 17, 2013, 4:37am
  • by gnormie
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I think it was the Revenge Society. Boggles was killed to put Phineas Phage on the council. Phineas Phage being on the council is how they now have surveillance of the chamber sub-rosa (the room with the monitors).

The Revenge Society made it look like a heart attack but O.S.I suspects it was the Guild who killed Boggles. The Guild thinks it was O.S.I.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 10:22am
  • by Ghobbi
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Just saw ShoreLeave's Guild ID.

Sex: Y
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Jul. 15, 2013, 12:40pm
  • by Doubting Housetom
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Eye: Yummy
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Jul. 15, 2013, 2:12pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Boom!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:37pm
Gotta love those small details that they slip in there!
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Jul. 18, 2013, 6:03pm
I think the awkward 'date' conversation could have been the entire episode. I can't wait to hear the commentary on DVD from that scene.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 2:35pm
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Bug Samurai spotted on Venture Bros type graduation in Thailand banner
http://www.dailyedge.ie/thailand-hitler-university-993062-Jul2013/
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Jul. 15, 2013, 2:39pm
he's a kamen rider i think
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Jul. 15, 2013, 6:03pm
  • by gnormie
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Is that his name? Judging by the board O.S.I. had in this episode and the end credits I think I know the name of almost everyone on the council is and their number except the bug guy and the girl

Councilman 1. Vendata (may be replaced by Dr. Girlfriend)
Councilman 2: Wild Fop
Councilman 3: Red Mantle
Councilman 4: Phineas Phage (formerly Boggles the Clue Clown)
Councilman 5: Dr. Z
Counciman 6: Monseñor
Councilman 7: Don Hell
Councilman 8: Dragoon
Councilman 9: Steppenwolf
Councilman 10: the unnamed bug guy
Councilwoman 11: Mommy Longlegs (not sure if that is her name or not)
Councilman 12: The Nerve
Councilman 13: The Sovereign (David Bowie Shapeshifter...possibly Twiggy)

The OSI board seen in this episode has them shown in order of their number from left to right. The first 4 councilmen were row (boggles was taken down due to his death), the next row is councilmen 5-8 and the next row is councilman 9-12. I'm pretty sure I'm right because the show has given us the numbers for 1-4 and 8 and the credits reveal the councilwoman is 11...and they all fit into their place on the board.

http://venturefans.org/vbwiki/File:Council_of_13_board.png
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Jul. 17, 2013, 10:39am
From the credits, the brain in a jar councilman is named "The Nerve"
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Jul. 15, 2013, 3:38pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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You think he and Brainulo are going to team up some time?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:38pm
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Monsenior must be the upside-down crossed wrestle padre, but whom is the Councilman wearing pancho villain? Pancho Villain? No credits on his little line. The Nerve must go to the Moon once in a while. Maybe helps out Sunsational. The nerve of that guy..
That Omega Ape guy. Is that his name? He's always in the background. Name? Anyone?

Ok now tightrope walking on a 100% polyester leisurewear nosehair from the 70s here, but the Jonas Sr. hooking up with 'Ma Monarch'. Was it because she was a beard for Vendata/Venturian pre plane crash?
You tell me. Biff or Ben can answer this one. Pretty sure my mind has been made up for the rest of the series so...maybe nevermind on that. Watching it in my head now....then....hahhahaa -ASS TO ASS!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:44pm
Jackson named him in one of the commentaries. Omega Ape is indeed his chosen pseudonym.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:52pm
  • by RedHeaded Stepchild
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Could Omega Ape be a reference to two Charleton Heston movies - Planet of the Apes and Omega Man? The character looks like Dr. Zaire's from Planet of the Apes.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 10:30pm
  • by RedHeaded Stepchild
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I meant to type he looked like Dr. Zaius.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 10:31pm
I'm still waiting for the guys to do a full episode featuring Omega Ape and Unicornelius. It seems like such a Doc Hammer thing to do!
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Jul. 16, 2013, 2:40pm
  • by Ghobbi
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I think Omega Ape is his name. As for the last councilman, I'm honestly at a loss as to which behatted villain he is. I'm starting to think that he is the Monsignor now, as opposed to the similarly-shaped guy with the moustache, having noticed the lack of a voice credit for that Councilman. That said, Wild Fop never got a voice credit this episode either.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 4:54pm
  • by Ghobbi
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That was something - the last Councilman's silhouette said he had Youth Group tonight. A church thing?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:00pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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He was the guy in the Mexican wrestler mask- the one officiating Clue Clown's funeral, so I would assume he's some sort of evil Mexican minister. Which would fit the Monsenior moniker very well.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:14pm
  • by Ghobbi
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I think there's still an outside chance he's the moustachioed bandit guy we've seen in crowd shots, but I agree with you. I think we've now seen every Councilman's face and heard all their voices (except for the late Clue Clown).
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:24pm
Dr. Henry Killinger (AND his Magic Murder Bag) look kinda weak in his one scene cameo. Now that we can take that previous storyboard as canon, it doesn't seem like he came to The Revenge Society to lift them above obscurity (like he did with Dr. Venture), but to join them. I'm kinda sad to see Dr. Henry Killinger's peer respect is much lower than below that of Dr. Phineas Phage. I would have expected quite the opposite.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:06pm
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Eh, he made the popcorn- total coach move. And what does he care what others think of him? His power is so great, no villain could really be considered his peer.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:16pm
  • by Blixa Barfgold & Homeless Travel Pillow Patsy
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Killinger is a hired consultant to failing companies, right? Isn't that his m.o.? Will conspire to kill any group for bucks. Like Kissinger working for the US, Saudis, everyone is right, bank is the rule, no morals, above the law, etc.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:17pm
  • by Captain V Bro.
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Hardyworld meant the animation of Dr. Killineger was off in that they left his mouth white, instead of colored in black; and some other error was on the magic murder bag.

I've noticed more animation errors this season than any other.

C'est la vie.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 6:25pm
Really? I haven't noticed that many, but I generally pay more attention to the backgrounds and prop designs, which have been great. I did notice in last week's episode a lot of mistakes in the scene where Hank and Dermott talk by the fountain. Hank goes from sitting on the top step to the middle step to the stop step . . . . Oh, and I noticed Billy's eye-patch pop on and off during the dream St. Cloud/Kraken sequence in "Spanakopita." Other than that, I don't remember any.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 6:40pm
  • by Captain V Bro.
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There have been quite a few this season. Just lots of little boo-boos.
Hatred's gloves popping off between shots, soda's going from half full to full between shots, and so on.

All go back through the episodes once all have aired and compile a list of boo-boos if you'd like.

All Jackson said dream sequences are non-canon so animation errors don't apply, this means Billy's eye patch was not wrong b/c it was dream.
Cool, huh?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 9:07pm
By all means, go back through and make a complete list. One of my favorite past-times is picking out time-based errors in TV shows and movies (e.g., in a story set in the 60s, a character uses a slang expressions that wasn't used until the 90s). I'm sure I'd get a perverse sense of pleasure at knowing the little animation flaws!

And I like Jackson's non-canon argument. As the show's director, I'm sure it helps save time and preserve his sanity!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 11:46pm
  • by Captain V Bro.
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Somehow I used 'all' twice by accident.

Oh, well.

Errors happen, even in animation.. and writing.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 3:18am
  • by Jory
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From time to time this season the characters have been a little iffy when seen from a distance or in full figure; like in the profile of Doc right before the disco ball hits him, or yes, when Killinger walks into the room (just off the top of my head.) Those are pretty minor details, though, and while this season it has been relatively easy to nitpick, I would say that overall the show looks the best it ever has.

There have been individual highs and lows throughout the seasons (like Return to Malice from season 4.1, which had killer expressions and gesture drawings,) but this season's compositions, color and character designs have really made a great impression on me. O.S.I. Love You especially was really visually stunning for TV animation.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 9:10pm
That's been my impression, too. I've loved the character, vehicle, and background designs this season. I've noticed, too, that vehicle movements have been almost entirely computer generated, making for smoother, more lifelike movement. In last week's episode, for example, Hatred's hover-tank and Jeep moved flawlessly. In past seasons, it seems that vehicle animation was completely random, with some being 3-D (and therefore impressive) and some looking as if it had been animated by a high school art student!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 11:52pm
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totally. the cg and the hand drawn splicing is pretty flawless. it's practically as good as Futurama at this point.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 1:14am
  • by Captain V Bro.
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I agree on that, I enjoy it and think it blends well!
Also cars and stuff actually look good in CG.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 1:06am
Yeah, Jackson and Doc have to be happy with the improvement. I know they were disappointed with the animation of cars and whatnot in the past.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 10:41am
  • by Captain V Bro.
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Actually...when I went back and looked.. he had no magic murder bag with him.
Just the popcorn.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 3:20am
  • by Captain V Bro.
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I think it's more fucked up it appears as though the Monarch's dad died (again) while his son was right there, unknown to him or the Monarch!

Then Dr. Venture got crushed to death in front of Malcolm, while his cyborg dad dies (again) 20 feet away... entirely unbeknownst to all.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 6:29pm
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Using the same law the Monarch used to get hold of Rusty, does St. Cloud get Billy?
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Jul. 15, 2013, 5:18pm
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Yes, but his Guild Card says under St. Cloud's THEME is "Snob", might end up as a useless blip on the Killinger radar. He goes for controversy, passion, and things that can make a smoother mass disaster/workroom/genocidal holocaust (maybe?).
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Jul. 15, 2013, 6:00pm
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The chambers the council were coming out after the meeting were # but different council members were coming out from different chamber #s. Like Boggles was #4, but Wild Flop came out of chamber 4 and Dr. Phineas Phage came out of chamber 2 when he suppose to be #4 replacement. I need consistency!!


IGNORE ME!!!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 7:31pm
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Could be a thing like "The Prisoner" tv show.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 8:14pm
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I may be way off on this but does anyone else think Shore Leave's line about Vendata being the Bicentennial Man is about more than just that he went online in 1976? Like, maybe it's a reference to the Robin Williams movie Bicentennial Man, where he went from being a robot to a human? I might be overthinking this, but still ...
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Jul. 15, 2013, 8:44pm
I don't think you are over-thinking it at all. You are SPOT ON!
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Jul. 15, 2013, 11:23pm
I hadn't thought of that but it sounds good to me.
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Jul. 18, 2013, 5:59pm
  • by Hayes
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When I first read the description of this episode I thought Helper was going to be the inside man/robot. That could have been neat.
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Jul. 15, 2013, 8:54pm
  • by Great Lincoln's Ghost
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More Helper is always good, but I can't say no to the return of Ghost Robot
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Jul. 16, 2013, 1:26pm
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any of your notice the 90s Earthling Bowie serving at the bar? i did;-/
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Jul. 15, 2013, 10:37pm
  • by Taco
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It appears The Monarchs take Venture hostage next week and pretend he's dead and take the credit fro his death.
Maybe the new outfits have to do with Dr. Mrs. Monarchs promotion?
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Jul. 16, 2013, 3:23am
  • by Doctor Septopus
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That one bouncer at Club Hell looked like a built, 30-something Kano. I've never given much thought to the progeny of the original Team Venture...Ready for some Rodney and Horace. Sad that this awesome season is almost over....And Dean needs to get laid, as soon as possible.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 4:38am
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This was a solid episode! So far one of my favorites for the season. Does anyone know if the last episode will be an hour long special as well?
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Jul. 16, 2013, 8:53am
  • by Wemedge
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This season has been one of the best ever but I am sooooo disappointed it's ending so soon. After waiting so long, 8 episodes seems like just a tease.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 1:07pm
Completely agree. I'm hoping we at least get another 15-minute special like "From the Ladle to the Grave." It's always tough to weather the long periods of inactivity between seasons, and it will be especially tough after such an amazing season.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 2:37pm
  • by Captain V Bro.
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I don't want anymore short specials.

I'm glad they aren't doing more specials so season six will only take 18 months instead of 30 months.

Do less episodes and no specials, get the seasons out a whole year faster.

I'm 100% behind Jackson on this!
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Jul. 16, 2013, 5:10pm
Well, I'm with you if it means the seasons come out earlier. I wasn't aware that the Shallow Gravy special had anything to do with the long delay. It was done completely in-house at Titmouse, wasn't it?
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Jul. 16, 2013, 5:21pm
  • by Captain V Bro.
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Yes, but they worked on it instead of just getting started on season V proper.
It took 8-9 months to make.
It was part of the reason we had the biggest wait between seasons... ever.

Jackson and Doc know what they are doing now, trust in them.

Six will be here sooner.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 5:24pm
  • by Captain V Bro.
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Season six production starts in September!
It should take 18 months total, according to Jackson.
So.. season six should start early 2015.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 5:29pm
Well, I'm all for the seasons coming quicker. My point is that I'll take a short-form special if it doesn't delay production of the season proper. I don't know that much about animation, but as I understand it, it's the wait on Korea to finish animating the figures, vehicles, etc. that takes so much time. If the guys can do something at Titmouse during the wait, I'll take it. If not, I'll be more than happy with season six.
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Jul. 16, 2013, 6:24pm
The Shallow Gravy thing didn't really delay the season that much. They work on multiple episodes at a time all the time, there's no way one 15 minute thing is going to somehow block them on the rest of the season.

Jackson and Doc pretty much killed themselves making season 3 and 4 so when they were done they just took some time off. Season 5 pre-production didn't start until months after the season 4 finale when previously they had started it immediately after the season ended. They were also able to slow down the process a little and write scripts before they needed to start putting together the show.

There were some delays there but I think the main idea with this season was to not destroy their lives as much as previous years. If that helps them produce something of the massive level of quality this season has been through and through then I am okay with that. At the end of the day you have to remember that two guys make the majority of the decisions with this show and are involved with every stage of the process which is pretty much unheard of for an animated show of this scope. So it's going to take longer because they don't have like 10 writers and a separate director and $1m per episode for animation.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 2:57pm
  • by Revenge!!
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"Best.. show.. on television."
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Jul. 16, 2013, 5:22pm
After my 10th time watching this episode I'm almost convinced this new Snoop character is one of the Guild Investors.. I keep getting this hint that he was trying to sabotage the mission
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Jul. 17, 2013, 6:32am
Where is all the outrage that Dr. Venture has died?!?!? When 24 died we went on for pages and pages about how sad we are that he's gone....Dr. Venture is much more important than 24! He's the glue that keeps it all together while being a complete d!#% of a character at the same time (while trying to be a good father). Mourn his loss! We need Dr. Venture (and more Phantom Limb)!!!
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Jul. 17, 2013, 3:40pm
Because everyone hates him.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 4:27pm
WHAT! Dr. Venture is a visionary capable of all kinds of scientific abominations, cynical behavior, passive parenting, and narcissistic attitude. A low-level super-scientist who has seen everything during his childhood, nothing surprises/impresses this man. He is capable of being the greatest inventor of our time if he saw the need to apply himself (and he'll tell you that too), dabbling in super-science is much more enjoyable. He enjoys his life because he's seen what working to death can do to a super-scientist. Dr. Venture knows that anyone who doesn't live their life the way they want to is an idiot. We all yearn to be Dr. Venture because he's "The Dude" in all of us. We already have a little Dr. Venture in us and seeing him live his life lets us vicariously live through him. Thank you Dr. Venture. I will forever miss you.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 10:49pm
  • by Captain V Bro.
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B/c it's V deep!
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Jul. 18, 2013, 12:03am
Those glitter balls, also called Disco balls, are basically hollow, just a thin shell. Not that you still couldn't get killed by one striking you on the head mind you, but not crushed. Doc will be back. Or as a coworker of mine speculated, this is where we find out Rusty is a clone. As a kid he got dragged along on all sorts of dangerous adventures. Maybe Jonas did with Rusty as Doc did with the boys?
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Jul. 18, 2013, 8:44am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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24 was just expendable enough for them to kill forever. Dr. Venture's way too important to stay dead. Nobody expects him to be totally out for long.
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Jul. 18, 2013, 1:12am
I'm assuming he didn't die.. Watch the season 5 preview, you see him in bandages and we have yet to see that scene... Unless it's a flashback
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Jul. 18, 2013, 3:45am
  • by Ghobbi
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The bandaged.Doc is in the same clothes he was wearing last episode, so it's pretty clear he lived. I expect we'll find out that he's alive early in the next episode, but the other characters won't.
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Jul. 19, 2013, 7:25am
Sorry I'm late to the party this week but I've had things going on. Here's my take on some of what went down. My apologies if I'm repeating anyone.

After talking to a coworker whom I got into VB years ago, I agree with the theory that Vandata is the Monarch's dad.

I also believe that ol' Jonas was probably having an affair with Monarch's mom and was responsible somehow for the plane crash. Dad survived the crash, but barely alive and becomes Vandata.

In Shadowman 9 when the Monarch asks the council who killed Jonas and it sounded like Vandata who answered tersely, "WE'RE asking the questions here, Monarch!" Perhaps it was he who killed Jonas as part of a vendetta? Or at least he thinks he killed him anyway. I still think Jonas is alive too, or a clone of his anyway, and will resurface at some point.

The Monarch doesn't remember the events from the photo he found of he and Rusty playing at the Venture compound with Jonas and his parents in the background. In House of Mummies when Doctor Venture and Orpheus are arguing over whether magic or science is better, Doc mentions a mind control helmet in the lab, no doubt invented by Jonas. Hmmmmmm.

Also, if you look at the pic above you can see Dean seated just to the left of where Vandata is holding the menu. What's he doing there and who's he with?

Could Dr. Mrs. The Monarch be in collusion with The Revenge Society to bring down The Guild?
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Jul. 17, 2013, 6:06pm
  • by Poor Fester-Ex Hay Bezoar
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you wanna bet that Monarch's dad was impotent, Jonas did a 'super cure' for his impotency by bumping uglies with Madam Butterfly? no good...? it's Vendata's best interest that he be avenged by GoC Intent causing him the least amount of pain work. GoC Intent killed Jonas Sr. bet on it.
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Jul. 18, 2013, 4:53pm
Dean has black hair now.. That couldn't be him
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Jul. 19, 2013, 7:09am
Did anyone else think the waitress taking drink orders was Dr O's ex?
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Jul. 17, 2013, 6:31pm
Nah. She's never talked.
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Jul. 17, 2013, 9:25pm
I see Brock was able to redeem his Manbro Miles points and get that canoe. It was in the rafters of the garage when he and Shoreleave were getting the costumes.
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Jul. 18, 2013, 8:50am
Does anyone else think that Don Hell could be Ward's father?
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Jul. 18, 2013, 8:50am
  • by Enrico Matasa
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Yeah, I had thought that when I saw him.

Anyone else besides me hoping for a Venture/Monarch team-up against the Revenge Society?

I mean, The Monarch blew off Underbeit's jaw, Venture and Underbeit have a bad past. Phantom Limb hates them both.

Any thoughts Venture-roos?
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Jul. 18, 2013, 1:26pm
  • by SteveW
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I guess I'm the only one who thought that Vendata's vehicle looked a lot like the old Star Wars Troop Transport. Nobody's mentioned it so far.
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Jul. 18, 2013, 5:30pm
I'd say that's a pretty good call. I knew it was from somewhere, and I even had the Kenner toy as a kid, but didn't make the connection until I read your comment.
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Jul. 18, 2013, 5:51pm
maybe some people have noticed this already, but in the season 5 trailer doc is still wearing the suit from this episode and some bandages on his head when the monarch is drilling his teeth. so i guess that rules out the possibility of him actually being dead. however, if everyone believes he is, that means the government(or possibly the guild) could come and seize the venture compound and put rusty out on his ass. as far as more expose on the guild/osi goes, i think they've shown the bulk of that for this run. i bet we won't see the revenge society again this season either. also it looks like the action man is in this next one quite a bit. i smell death
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Jul. 18, 2013, 8:15pm
Orpheus told the action man he was going to die in 2 years and 17 days from a stroke.. and that was season 1..
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Jul. 19, 2013, 7:20am
  • by Ghobbi
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Based on Wonderboy III's monument, season 1 ended in 2006, so I reckon Rodney somehow dodged that stroke-bullet.
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Jul. 19, 2013, 7:30am
Good point.. I never really noticed the Wonderboy monument. then again, the time between season 1 and 2 was only a month VB time.. It was 2 years for us
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Jul. 19, 2013, 9:37am
It's too bad Boggles didn't have a date on his headstone...
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Jul. 19, 2013, 9:55am
There was a date of 2004 on Crime-O-Dile's headstone which Wonderboy was dancing on. Not that it helps much as his death was mentioned in season 2.
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Jul. 19, 2013, 4:38pm
Rusty was 43 in season one. Assuming that only two years have gone by he's only 45, the same age as the Monarch.

Vendata was constructed in 1976 if I recall last weeks episode correctly. If the monarch was 8 back them, the he and Rusty were born in 1968.

However in the first season, when Rusty was 43, the year was 2003 so Rusty was born in 1960. This is why series fiction tried to avoid being nailed down by dates. It just messes things up when there's no year-to-year continuity.
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Jul. 20, 2013, 10:15pm
season 2 came out in 2006, but by the sound of it Crime-o-dile had died recently.. also they mention in season 2 that hank and dean are 16 years old (Would be 19 but they were clones).. and season 4 Hank wasn't able to join Sphinx because Brock said he had to be 18.. that's less than a 2 year span between 2 seasons
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Jul. 21, 2013, 10:04am
but he's an fart, so this doesn't excuse him from the grave
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Jul. 19, 2013, 9:28am
*old fart
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Jul. 19, 2013, 9:28am
  • by The Mysterious 'H'
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Maybe it wasn't Rodney's death he predicted. Did we ever see his wife past Season 1? Makes you think, doesn't it?
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Jul. 20, 2013, 1:27am
  • by Drang
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Wow, super-clear reference to the game Fallout. Someone pointed this out on Tumblr: http://media.tumblr.com/3ae91861c3e0341e722bd397eea71c6d/tumblr_inline_mpzspqxB1H1qz4rgp.jpg
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Jul. 20, 2013, 1:13am
Was Tatiana the waitress?!?
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Jul. 24, 2013, 2:44pm
  • by Tom B
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Anyone got a source for an MP3 of the Calliope version of the funeral dirge that they played at Boggles funeral. Too much noise in the show for a decent capture.
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